best way to absorb havoc?

jrob24

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i heard a long time ago that orals are absorbed when taken on an empty stomach, but then in a couple forums i have seen people say it is better to take havoc with food. Is this true? and if so should it be high carb or protein meals, or does it not matter?
 
You are thinking of orals that are non 17a-alkylated, those are best absorbed with fats, as steroid hormones are fat-soluble.

I believe I read an article or study a while back that food actually lowers 17aa steriod absorption (slightly). I believe it had to do with 17aa using a different absorption path.

I would take Havoc on an empty stomach, if possible.
 
I am currently on week 4 of a havoc cycle. As suggested above I believe the best benefits come with taking it on an empty stomach and/or with fish/flax oils.
 
Arent vitamins (including flax/omegas), best absorbed with food though? haha

I know a multi-vitamin is takin with food
 
Mass_69 said:
I believe I read an article or study a while back that food actually lowers 17aa steriod absorption (slightly). I believe it had to do with 17aa using a different absorption path.

I would take Havoc on an empty stomach, if possible.
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William Llewellyn said:
Maximum bioavailability with c-17aa orals is noted when taken on an empty stomach, not with food. Given their mildly lipid soluble nature, some of the steroid may wind up getting excreted with undigested dietary fat if taken with food.
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WTF! so all this time i was wasting my orals!?! I thought it was spread all over to take with food for digestion. I always knew to take with EFA's but cmon I just learn this now???! thats good to know.
 
pistonpump said:
WTF! so all this time i was wasting my orals!?! I thought it was spread all over to take with food for digestion. I always knew to take with EFA's but cmon I just learn this now???! thats good to know.
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i doubt its really that significant of a difference.
 
B5150 said:
Do you know this guy: William Llewellyn?
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Just cause I really didnt know, fwiw:

World-renowned anabolic authority, William Llewellyn has written and rewritten the definitive book on steroids. His series of ANABOLICS books have become the most trusted steroid and performance drug reference books of its kind. For close to 15 years Llewellyn has uncovered and compiled cutting-edge insider’s information from actual drug manufacturers, dealers, and users from all over the world guaranteeing accurate up-to-date information.
 
I believe the issue is the difference between the c-17a and the 17a hormones. From what I am reading the 17aa steroids are lymphatic and not effected by food consumption. The c-17a steroids are lipophilic and are effected by food consumption.

So in this case being that Havoc is lymphatic and not lipophilic then it would be uneffected by food consumption.
 
aspire210 said:
Results I've gotten from doing it both ways. It just like splitting dianabol up into several doses a day, most users agree it doesn't make much of a difference.
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No, at the end of the day I believe it is not much in terms of a difference. But indeed if it is effected, it is effected. What it is , is what it is.
 
B5150 said:
I believe the issue is the difference between the c-17a and the 17a hormones. From what I am reading the 17aa steroids are lymphatic and not effected by food consumption. The c-17a steroids are lipophilic and are effected by food consumption.

So in this case being that Havoc is lymphatic and not lipophilic then it would be uneffected by food consumption.
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Thanks for helpin' me splain-it B! :thumbsup:
 
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