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ephedra

What is your personal experience with taking supplements with ephedra?

  • it gave me energy

    Votes: 59 13.9%

  • it burned fat

    Votes: 27 6.4%

  • it gave me energy and burned fat

    Votes: 287 67.7%

  • it gave me energy and burned fat, but gave me health problems

    Votes: 35 8.3%

  • it did nothing, but give me health problems.

    Votes: 16 3.8%
  • Total voters
    424
I miss the old ephedra. My favorite was old school ripped fuel...the good old days! I never felt funny or had health problems, but it did give me amazing energy that I have yet to equal with anything else.
 
Gave me energy and makes me lose fat, about 1.5 times as fast as without it. I am running the obvious ECA right now, 3 weeks on 1 week off works the best for me. Doing a 12 week cut.
 
I saw a poster in my gym with a list of bad stuff that can happen to you and the guy in the picture did not look happy at all. No ephedra for me........j/k I love the stuff and think that it is horse $h!t that it is illegal. Money and control is the only thing behind all the misinformation.
 
gymrat81 said:
i've heard some pretty good things about the lipodrene too. My favorited was the old Xenadrine RFA. That stuff helped cut me up like crazy.
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yes indeed i missed old school rfa1 and only muscletech product that kicked a$$ original hydroxycut i went from 280 to 215 in like 12 months it gave me insane energy and crushed food cravings only draw back was a slight crash at nite .
but if you want nice smooth energy no crash try ergopharms amp or stimx both give awsome energy and kill food cravings
 
I thought the supreme court overturned the ban on ephedra. I'm naturally low in bodyfat so I dont need it but i have seen some products on the market lately with ephedra in them.
 
friction515 said:
I thought the supreme court overturned the ban on ephedra. I'm naturally low in bodyfat so I dont need it but i have seen some products on the market lately with ephedra in them.
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Ephedra alkaloids are banned I believe, so the companies market it as a bronchodilator to get it by the FDA...
 
I was aware of that however there are many ephedra containing energy/weightloss pills out there. They even say with ephedra right on the bottle. They are available now search and you will find them. I can't give out the name of the supplement site that i found it at but I am sure it's there, and not marketed as a bronchodialator and it's not ephedrine hcl.
 
friction515 said:
I was aware of that however there are many ephedra containing energy/weightloss pills out there. They even say with ephedra right on the bottle. They are available now search and you will find them. I can't give out the name of the supplement site that i found it at but I am sure it's there, and not marketed as a bronchodialator and it's not ephedrine hcl.
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i think that it is regulated to like 10 milgrams per serving is cool for now
 
Iron Warrior said:
Ephedra made me too cracked out and gave me a bad energy crash when I discontinued it. I prefer Ephedrine HCL because I get the nice energy boost, appetite suppression, and fat loss without a horrible energy crash or feeling like I'm on crack.
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Ya, I felt the same way. I found that Ephedrine HCL is very effective. I also found that taking half the recomended dosage is also enough to give you the boost that's needed for early morning workouts. It beat's loading up on caffine and getting the jitters, for hours after your workout.
 
Does neone know if Ephedra down regulates beta receptors like Clenbuterol or can you use it longer.
 
monsterboy said:
there's still plenty of sites out there selling it. If you pop around on any of the search engines you'll find it.
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yes, many sites continue to sell ephedra, but ephedrine HCl is also available readily at most drug stores (duane reade, cvs, etc.) as an asthma aide. It's fairly cheap, but the FDA regulates it more strictly now(it's behind the counter of the pharmacy and/or it's noted how much you buy). Also you can only buy a certain amount because it can be used to make meth.
 
Hyde12 said:
I get waaaaaay more energy from Venom Hyperdrive 3.0!!
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but still not a safer alternative...

do some research and dont forget to cycle off. . .

as far as fat loss, hyperdrive = anoretic tendencies + insomnia + great energy

eca = anorectic tendencies + lipolysis out the roof + a daily crash if taken early enough in time for bed.

i prefer restless sleep rather than no sleep.
 
Pumps said:
Does neone know if Ephedra down regulates beta receptors like Clenbuterol or can you use it longer.
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you bet, but not to the extent of clen, then again clen works stronger = quicker fat loss but it doesnt mean either are any better

they :

1. downregulate the same class of receptors

2. both have serious consequences, none any more severe than the other... clen is rougher and the neg sides can happen alot quicker, ephedra produces just as horrid sides but not for a significant amt of time.. for this reason people tend to think ephedra is much safer, which actually leads to more deaths BECAUSE of misuse, whereas a person using clen is more likely to use cautiously and be more thorough when deciding whether or not to use, because of the preconceieved notion that it's far worse .. when in reality it's just more of a potent antagonist resulting in significant and noticeable physiological changes.

3. for what it's worth i'd spend the extra 50 or so dollars that you would have spent on clen and put it towards a pair of running shoes. cardio is much more important than you think. and MUCH more anabolic than any non runner will give it credit for... if you time your meals and protein intake.

as much time as you're doing research on 2 potentially fatal fat loss supplements, you could have been researching proper training and dieting. and if you were even smarter you'd first look at the negs of any supplement you buy BEFORE you look at any of the positives. it's best to reverse the order in which we look at what we ingest to properly understand what the **** we're really doing to ourselves.

i'm not a hater in any way. i've abused both and have (and continue) to suffer because of my own ignorance towards what god has provided me with naturally.

i just don't want:

1. others to go through what i have
2. an idiot to die and then have his death linked to the knowledge and location of substances he abused to forums that matter.

then again i shouldn't worry about others so much.. if they want to die by ignorance. let them.
 
I am way to nervous to try ephedra, I have heard such bad stories....it is not worth it for me to risk my health to that extent.
 
Wendy21 said:
I am way to nervous to try ephedra, I have heard such bad stories....it is not worth it for me to risk my health to that extent.
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well if it makes you feel any better. a low low dose of like 12.5 mg a day showed no adverse side effects. there was a study done and the study that found no adverse effects at this dose was what helped to get the ephedra ban lifted.

and if you're that scared i doubt u'd abuse it.

just realize that any higher will produce negs in the long run, just because of habitual use.

i'm pretty sure that my old post about my experience is still up on this post somewhere.

if not i'll be more than happy to relate to you my personal experience.
 
The safest way to burn fat is a clean diet and cardio. Anytime you take any drug or supplement, anything can happen. There will probably be some side effects. It may or may not help you achieve your goal. In my experience venom hyperdrive has worked the best of the legal stuff. It does have side effects. I had trouble going to sleep at first but it goes away. I did build up a tolerance to it. Ephedra works good too. Clenbuterol is a pharmaceutical grade medication in other countries, but is not approved for use in the u.s., so there is probably alot less variation in the actual amount of drug present in each pill compared to supplements made in the us by companies that dont use good manufacturing practices.
 
5meathead said:
The safest way to burn fat is a clean diet and cardio. Anytime you take any drug or supplement, anything can happen. There will probably be some side effects. It may or may not help you achieve your goal. In my experience venom hyperdrive has worked the best of the legal stuff. It does have side effects. I had trouble going to sleep at first but it goes away. I did build up a tolerance to it. Ephedra works good too. Clenbuterol is a pharmaceutical grade medication in other countries, but is not approved for use in the u.s., so there is probably alot less variation in the actual amount of drug present in each pill compared to supplements made in the us by companies that dont use good manufacturing practices.
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Well put. Although ephedra gave me energy and helped me metabolize fat, it also gave me a few unwanted side effects. In addition to sleeplessness and dizziness I experienced some minor renal problems. After 3 weeks of use I had trouble urinating and pain in my lower back. After that I discontinued use and lay off the stims for a few weeks. I realize that these results aren't typical. Many (dare I say MOST) of my friends have used ephedra successfully... but that's not to say that it's for everyone.
 
I took this while in highschool one summer. In three months I lost 30-35 lbs from taking this and working out sometimes. It made me sweat a lot, lowered my appetite, and gave me insane amounts of energy. The biggest effects I noticed was a few times I got a little light headed and once I almost blackedout while in the shower after an intense workout. You really gotta keep yourself hydrated on this.
 
yeah, if i do any kind of cardio too soon after taking it i feel like i have to puke.

im down about 40 lbs since last december, i wouldnt place the blame solely on ephedrine or anything, ive been eating cleaner than ever and my cardio sessions have gotten more intense (started running / bas ruttens workout cds)

i will say that without it the desire to not go to the gym almost wins sometimes, but when i take it ive got my gym bag packed and im out the door before i can even think about not going.
 
Stim fiend here......

Another thing a lot of people see with this is constipation. This happens a lot in hospitals where its use is prevalent for patients. Never had that prob, but it is very common.

Along another line, i actually crash worse from Synephrine than I do ephed. Can't touch anything with Syn in it.

To be honest, I dont get the crazy rush from ephed with RPM, but I love the fact that there seems to be zero crash associated with RPM. Really like it for a mild, steady energy bump. (and no I am not a rep, etc, etc).
 
PS - As with any stims, you can offset the light head feelings, etc by eating something with it. something with fiber will moderate the effect and smooth it out.

When I take ephed on an empty stomach I know what pooky felt like in New Jack City.
 
Jeffrw said:
"Aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production outside of the cells, which, in conjunction with caffeine, greatly prolongs the thermogenic effects and increased metabolism by substaining elevated cAMP levels."
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What is the typical dose of Aspirin in the traditional ECA stack?
 
kraftkid said:
Stim fiend here......

Another thing a lot of people see with this is constipation. This happens a lot in hospitals where its use is prevalent for patients. Never had that prob, but it is very common.

Along another line, i actually crash worse from Synephrine than I do ephed. Can't touch anything with Syn in it.

To be honest, I dont get the crazy rush from ephed with RPM, but I love the fact that there seems to be zero crash associated with RPM. Really like it for a mild, steady energy bump. (and no I am not a rep, etc, etc).
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Interesting report...ephedra should actually do just the opposite of constipate. Stimulants are included in some anti-constipation medications to induce bowel movement. From personal experience with ephedra...yum..yum..YUMMMY!...I have ALWAYS experienced increased gastric motility. It is important to note that I have always taken ephedra with caffeine and that may be the root of increased movement, but I have always noticed better movement with E/C than with C alone. Another interesting related bit of information: "opposing" drugs like opiates actually do decrease gastric motility leading to constipation.
 
I have A LOT of experience with ephedra and would like to share it with the everyone thinking about trying it.

1. ECA stack rules! for energy and fat loss.

2. One dose of ECA and:
strength goes up ~15 % (as mentioned earlier)
I want to workout for 2-3 hours..like a madman.
Focus and drive increased like crazy
Euphoria
3. Many doses of ECA (over many days of course)
and I can't sleep...banging head on wall at
night...jogging 4 miles in middle of night to try
to "exhaust myself to sleep"
become irritable
paranoid?
very aggressive...esp. on the road ("rage")

4. Many doses of ECA for many months at a time:
my heartbeat becomes "fluttery"
my energy levels decrease
become mentally/physically fatigued
motivation decreases
Dependent on ECA for a good workout

Conclusion....what goes up, must come down.

If you're considering ephedra, be aware it is not a panacea. It will give you incredible workouts...superhuman, and I mean it. Don't think that it doesn't come with a price. You can use it for a few months and transform your body into your wildest, 16 pack abdominal dream. But after you cycle off...and you MUST cycle off...you will have a hard time gaining motivation and pumps in the gym.

I have come to use ephedra very infrequently...like 1-2 pills per week during my heaviest usage...when I am looking to really blast through a workout. You MUST use moderation, or you will hurt yourself and/or end up with a worse physique than you started with...

moderation in everything...even moderation (confucious?)
 
addijhaq said:
you bet, but not to the extent of clen, then again clen works stronger = quicker fat loss but it doesnt mean either are any better

they :

1. downregulate the same class of receptors

2. both have serious consequences, none any more severe than the other... clen is rougher and the neg sides can happen alot quicker, ephedra produces just as horrid sides but not for a significant amt of time.. for this reason people tend to think ephedra is much safer, which actually leads to more deaths BECAUSE of misuse, whereas a person using clen is more likely to use cautiously and be more thorough when deciding whether or not to use, because of the preconceieved notion that it's far worse .. when in reality it's just more of a potent antagonist resulting in significant and noticeable physiological changes.

3. for what it's worth i'd spend the extra 50 or so dollars that you would have spent on clen and put it towards a pair of running shoes. cardio is much more important than you think. and MUCH more anabolic than any non runner will give it credit for... if you time your meals and protein intake.

as much time as you're doing research on 2 potentially fatal fat loss supplements, you could have been researching proper training and dieting. and if you were even smarter you'd first look at the negs of any supplement you buy BEFORE you look at any of the positives. it's best to reverse the order in which we look at what we ingest to properly understand what the **** we're really doing to ourselves.

i'm not a hater in any way. i've abused both and have (and continue) to suffer because of my own ignorance towards what god has provided me with naturally.

i just don't want:

1. others to go through what i have
2. an idiot to die and then have his death linked to the knowledge and location of substances he abused to forums that matter.

then again i shouldn't worry about others so much.. if they want to die by ignorance. let them.
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My question is: what can a long term user of ephedrine do to clear out his receptors? I have been using the e.c.a. stack for about a month now, with fantastic results. However, I am having to increase my dosage to achieve the same effect. In addition, the eca stack has lost some of its punch as well. I am no longer feeling euphoria/massive pumps in the gym. I read something on a British bodybuilding website that said to take benadryl for a week to clear out your receptors. I'm not sure if they were referring to beta or alpha receptors. Does anyone know what I can do to detox? Or should I just wait it out and then resume taking the eca stack in a few weeks or so?
 
I am having great results with my own ECA stack, been using it for about 3 weeks. It started out with just caffeine increases before I added the other stuff.

Stimerex ES
200mg Jet-Alert (cheaper than Vivarin and No Doz)
1 asprine

I love how it makes me feel:twisted:how do you avoid a crash when you cycle off this stuff? this is my first time using it, and I'm kinda nervous about stopping it lol.
 
bassgirl said:
I am having great results with my own ECA stack, been using it for about 3 weeks. It started out with just caffeine increases before I added the other stuff.

Stimerex ES
200mg Jet-Alert (cheaper than Vivarin and No Doz)
1 asprine

I love how it makes me feel:twisted:how do you avoid a crash when you cycle off this stuff? this is my first time using it, and I'm kinda nervous about stopping it lol.
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Cheap Coffee: cheaper than vivarin, no doz, or jet-alert. :D Actually, check out nutraplanet, they sell caffeine tabs (100 tabs @ 200mg) for under $5.

One thing that I like to do with the ECA is take the weekends off. I don't need any extra energy to sleep in.

To cycle off, I recommend tapering down. If you go cold turkey, it's just like cigarettes, you have some nasty withdrawals and end up back on in a few days.
 
Wooo Hooo!! I just found a bottle of 100 Mini Thins in an old gear box i had in the closet. 25mg Ephedrine!!!! It was a great workout today!
 
Thermo Gen 2 For the win and you can still buy it! Sickest ephedra product! :) Total props on it i'm get some for after Spring break
 
lipodrene is the best one w/ 25mgs of Eph..just came off of that...feeling of euphoria is awesome. kept all my muscle and....well...its just great.
 
What the general dosage thta people are taking on ephedrine??

Ive read many forums and have found doses ranging from 20mg 3 times a day to 75mg 3 times a day???

Im just over 200lbs and wanting to cut and keep as much muscle as possible??? At the miunte im taking 20mg 2-3 times daily spead out.....

Are most taking more or less??
 
Those lipodrene ones he is talking about is 25mg 1-2 During breakfast and 1 after lunch usually being 50-75mg because they are 25mg a pop
 
What is the general consensus on using aspirin in this stack?

From what I understand ephedrine increases cAMP levels causing a thermogenic effect; this causes a negative feedback in the body which produces phosphodiesterase and prostaglandins to lower cAMP levels. Caffeine inhibits phosphodiesterase production, while aspirin inhibits prostaglandin production, slowing cAMP breakdown. This prolongs the thermogenic effect of the stack, but aspirin has one major disadvantage; it inhibits the increase in protein synthesis that is usually experienced with exercise.
Prostaglandins are inflammatory hormones which signal the cell that the tissue has been damaged and to begin protein synthesis. Perhaps rather than trying to block the breakdown of cAMP via aspirin, a better solution would be to increase cAMP levels with forskolin. This would allow you to better maintain muscle while losing fat.
 
When i used to be fat... Like actually 220-225 I took hydroxycut with Ephed dropped 55 lbs! lol And now I'm currently on Megadrine Rfa-1 The old Xenadrine **** is already nuts and its been 4 days... 4Day results = GG non ephedra fat burners. + No shakes No jitters.
I used thermogen 2 2 summers ago... and My god... You get like cracked out I dunno if thats even worth it... Besides the amount of yohimbe lol
 
Well since i was taking megadrine rfa-1 i was happy with the results since tomorrow is my last day of Epheds :-x But gave me crazy energy as usual didnt get as cut as using thermogen, but really didnt focus on heavy cardio :) and upped the dosage to 40mg a day instead of the directions 30mg.. because didnt feel the burn :good:
 
So is consensus that the best cheap stack is just drugstore ephedrine + caffiene pills? Any downside to large amounts of guafenesin going into your system?
 
I am amazed at how many ephedra prodcuts are back out in the market now. I am glad to see them back, as I had my greatest results with them
 
OK, so in all, what would you guys recommend as the best ephedrine product/stack? Right now I weigh 250, not sure of my body fat %, but i lift regularly, and do cardio on my non-lifting days. Basically. I want something to help me burn that extra fat away(my belly, thighs, moobs( :( )
 
25 mg Ephedrine
200 mg Caffeine
x3/day

I don't get the super-energy 15% lift increases in the gym, but I do sweat more, get my heart-rate going quicker with less effort, and generally notice good fat-loss with it.

Sides: Sleeplessness and shortened sleep period, chest-pain VERY infrequently while doing cardio (which tells me to slow it down), and having to flex my abs and straighten my posture in order to piss because it swells the prostate.

I'm going to cut down to 2x/day I think. I went to bed @ 3 am this morning and woke up @ 7:30 :(
 
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