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BrownBoi said:
Hey man thanks alot. So just to be sure ill preload with the AI 2weeks before and continue with it all the way to a month after the cycle. After the cycle is completed i will take the trione and the tribulis for two weekxs after. how much of each do you think i should take? im 5'4 150 w/9% bf. thx again man
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at 150 work your way up to 3, but only take 4 days to do so..1-1-2-2-3 for example. If that is good try 4 but pay attention to how you feel. I noticed the dimished returns trying 6 a day but Im pretty intune with my body. Everyone is different.

NO NO don't pre-load with an AI...preload with Cycle support. pick up the AI 2 weeks in and carry it out 4 weeks after cycle (for a total of 6) Start the natural test booster on the 3rd week of your cycle and continue for a total of 4 weeks. Can't go wrong with that. Some people will say keep a SERM onhand. I have to see/hear anyone need a SERM on H-50. 4 of friends have done multiple 6 week cycles on it, and I've done a 4 weeker. But again everyone is different.
 
How did you like your cycle of H-50? I cant wait to start i have heard alot of great things about H-50. Too bad they stopped making it. um i guess im confused whats 'AI'? i have the tribu and the cycle support and the trione is on the way.
 
trione is your AI.

Liked the cycle. Probably wont do another one, not really my style but I had to try it once i guess, been lifting long enough.

make sure getting enough food in you on cycle. If you get 3000cals a day of good clean food you'll be fine and you'll keep all your weight you gain. I suggest you spend the rest of your time researching a good diet at this point. remember good fats and good carbs are your friend.
 
1st Cycle

Vicarious, Ok so this is what im planning to do starting next week.

Pre. Cycle. -Cycle Support
Week 1 CS, Halodrol
Week 2 CS, Halo, Trione
Week 3 CS, Halo, Trio, Tribulis
Week 4 CS, Halo, Trio, Trib
Week 5 CS, Trib, Trio
Week 6 CS, Trib, Trio
Week 7 CS, Trib, Trio
Week 8 CS

and im going to try and eat at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. That should be around 220 a day. I think this plan is basically what you were explaining to me all last week. do you see in blarring weaknesses in this cyle? Lemme know, Thanks man
 
Nice my weight is up about 3lbs which is decent for the first week. just got my blood work back and my liver enzymes were a little high but i did drink a ton the weekend b4 i started. not planniing on drinking at all while on H-5o. adding trione in starting on week 2. Then tribulus in week3.
 
Hey BAMMA u said you liked you h-50 cycle how much weight did you gain and keep? Did you end up losing any fat? I think my waist is getting smaller and im seeing my abs starting to show again.
 
Hey Vic, Im starting to take my AI this week. When would be a good time to take it? Or does it even matter? Currently im just taking it with my H-50 in the morning. You said you felt deminished gains when you went to 6. Am i supposed to feel anything different with the AI? THX
 
I took mine at night....helps test production. Oh you'll feel something but it will be masked by h50. don't worry. you'll notice yourself hardening up in another 2 weeks. Your last week is going to be crazy. I would stock up on food and down 400 grams of protein and 300 grams of carbs and at least a 100 grams of fats your last week on H50.

fasten your seat belt and hold on!

I feel bad for your girlfriend...if you dont have one go get one and introduce yourself as peter north
 
Ha ha thats awesome. yeah i think i just need to watch out for overtraining but other than that i should be good. Im trying to eat more solid protien rather than getting most of it from powder. Feeling good and noticing more vascularity in the arms and shoulders. thx for the advice man
 
Brown, Sorry for the delay in the reply. I have been nursing a bladder infection. I gained about 12 kept about ten but I also lost about four inches on my gut. So you should see the difference on your waist. So you probably gained more muscle than that because you lose fat at the same time you are gaining muscle. LDL will be ugly when you are through. H-50 screws up a good cholesterol test. Be ready. Your Dr. Will sh*t if he has been watching your numbers. I try to space it between test so I have about two months to take my crestor and get it normal again before I have to see him. Other than that Drink water, eat good and Train. :hot:
 
I'll second the "good" cholesterol. Even on fish oil and a solid diet I was 1 point low 6 months after my cycle. PH's aren't toys. There are some horror stories out there.
 
Wow alright is there anything else i should be taking to help my body get through this cycle? the only sides i have noticed is irratibility and the occasional bloody nose. I feel pretty good and im pushing more weight than i ever have. Im taking my cycle support twice a day( sometimes i forget but i always get it at least once a day). do either of you guys have any suggestions on cardio? i really want to see ALL of my abs and i still have a nice layer of fat over them especially on the lower ones. I was thinking of doing light cardio(walking) or the elipitical 3-4 times per week for maybe 30 mins. I dont know if the cardio will just burn calories that my body may need to grow while on the cycle.
 
try HIT out for 2 weeks and see what happens. you won't lose muscle but you might not gain as much. Abs are tough. If you want to see them you've got to have your diet and training down. Your on steroids, anything will work but the question is will you make the changes in your training that are neccessary to keep abs over the long haul? Without a shadow of a doubt plain old food is the best supplement ever made. once you get a diet locked in you'll feel bad for people who are clamoring over the "supp of the week"...its really all about food.
 
vicarious hit the nail on the head with the diet info. You get the diet going everything else seems to get a lot easier. As for the cardio, your plan looks pretty good if you haven't did much cardio in past. Start light with what you've mentioned and work your way up. Eventually to the point where you feel you could do HIT without a problem. You should see some results just by adding in the cardio in and of itself.
 
Thanks guys. yeah ill start doin cardio a few days per week. I think im also going to up my AI. i have been taking 3 per night for the last 3 days but i think im going to try 4 and see what happens. I feel good on 3 so we will see. I totally agree with both of you in that food is your greatest weapon against fat. i can usually tell if i have been eating poorly because my workout suffer same with sleep.
 
i have been reading alot of the posts on here and it seems like this stuff really kicks in later in the cycle. Did you have the same experience? I feel good now but not great aside from 2 awesome workouts last week i havent had any "mind blowing workouts or pumps" dont get me wrong i feel stronger just not to the degree that many are explaining in their posts. i wonder if im doing domething wrong maybe overtraining? not sure but i definatly bust my ass in the gym so idk.
 
Your last week will be the stuff of legends. Whatever you do don't overtrain. Just add intensity to your exisitng workout. throw the extra plate on....grab those 50's and try a few reps of alt bi's. Hammer curl until your arms feel like they are going to explode. when you usually add a 25, add a 45. Just go for it, throw all the things that keep you from adding weight out the window.
 
The last week is the shiz. It will make you want to go longer.DON'T. But that last week of that cycle is Awesome. You can load A LOT more than you think on the bar. It will amaze you.:clean:
 
my last week was nothing like the beginning, I felt lethargic and wasnt making the same strength or pump that the previous weeks held. I did methandrol50 and im almost done with wk 2 of pct, gains are kept thus far 12lbs. cant complain though
 
Hey Vic, im starting my 3rd week of H-50. When should i take the tribulis(time of day)? Should i just take it with my AI at night? Im up to 4 trione pills before i go to bed. I started the cycle at 144 and now im just under 150. I dont expect to put on 15lbs like some of the other guys because that woulsd be a ton of weight relative to my size. i wouldnt complain if i did tho :)
 
is it a morning and night thing? depends on how many doses you take. if you only take it once a day, take it at night. 6 #s in 2 weeks is good. you'll easily get another 6 in.
 
BrownBoi said:
Hey Vic, im starting my 3rd week of H-50. When should i take the tribulis(time of day)? Should i just take it with my AI at night? Im up to 4 trione pills before i go to bed. I started the cycle at 144 and now im just under 150. I dont expect to put on 15lbs like some of the other guys because that woulsd be a ton of weight relative to my size. i wouldnt complain if i did tho :)
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mmmm.... BB dude how tall are you? n im not comin in here tryin to be a dyck or burst anyones bubble but can you lay out your cycle for me really quick....

cause youve started your AI allready correct? not that its a prob to start it now just what you gonna take later? wait.... im not gonna get ahead of yourself (lol) why dont you lay out your cycle for me real quick as to clear up any misunderstandings i might be havin...
wk1/wk2/wk3/wk4/wk5/wk6/wk7/wk8
h50
cs
AI
trib

fill in tha blanks with your set mg or dosing.... promise me youll be happier in the end.....:run:
 
Poopy
Pre. Cycle. -Cycle Support
Week 1 CS, Halodrol 50
Week 2 CS, Halo, Trione 4 pills
Week 3 CS, Halo, Trio 4 pills, Tribulis 3 pills
Week 4 CS, Halo, Trio, Trib
Week 5 CS, Trib, Trio
Week 6 CS, Trib, Trio
Week 7 CS, Trio
Week 8 CS

Vic, and im going to try and eat at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. That should be around 220 a day. I think this plan is basically what you were explaining to me all last week. do you see in blarring weaknesses in this cyle? Lemme know, Thanks man

Poopy, Im 5'5 and this is basically my plan im in the middle of week 3 right now. its my first cycle. i have seen some nice gains but i have very little knowledge about PCT or even cycles other than what people have been advising me to do on this thread. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
BrownBoi said:
Poopy
Pre. Cycle. -Cycle Support
Week 1 CS, Halodrol 50
Week 2 CS, Halo, Trione 4 pills
Week 3 CS, Halo, Trio 4 pills, Tribulis 3 pills
Week 4 CS, Halo, Trio, Trib
Week 5 CS, Trib, Trio
Week 6 CS, Trib, Trio
Week 7 CS, Trio
Week 8 CS

Vic, and im going to try and eat at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. That should be around 220 a day. I think this plan is basically what you were explaining to me all last week. do you see in blarring weaknesses in this cyle? Lemme know, Thanks man

Poopy, Im 5'5 and this is basically my plan im in the middle of week 3 right now. its my first cycle. i have seen some nice gains but i have very little knowledge about post cycle therapy or even cycles other than what people have been advising me to do on this thread. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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ok for as far as i can see your set weight wise to be taken it for your height....
but triones the same as 6-oxo right????? ummm thats not nearly comperable enough, especially for a supp as strong as h-drol bro....

and takin the AI mid cycle would be a good idea if you started showing estrogenic sides or allready knew you were prone to it but other wise your settin you post cycle therapy up for failure later on since your body will be used to the supp and it wont do you nearly enough good when you need it(especially just 6-oxo)

heres a tip and i know it hurts the wallet but youll be better off for it and keep more of those precious gains your workin so hard for.......
drop the 6-oxo now (unless as i stated earlier your allready showin sides or know you are prone to them)

pick up some ATD, in the form of rebound, generic caps or bulk powder and cap it yourself.....

or even better go get the NHA stack from designer supplements (DS) (Activate and rebound reloaded) its not too expensive especially if you know where to look for it, bout 54 bucks and that aint too shabby for 2 supps (hint its a board spponsor and NO im in no way affiliated with either DS or any of the other board sponsors, ask anyone)

this will treat you MUCH better then just 6-oxo and trib (although the trib wont harm you none to take while on post cycle therapy and if anything it should help give an added boost in libido)

id dose like this......

WEEK Rebound Reloaded/ActivaTe/h-drol
_____ (caps a day)
4 __ 3 caps/4 caps/(whatever your allready plannin on runnin)
5 __ 3 caps/4 caps
6 __ 3 caps/4 caps
7 __ 2 caps/4 caps
8 __ 1cap ---

im sure you will be much happier in the end and NOT so happy if you continue on your plotted course, SERIOUSLY it will suck when all your hard work is for naught and your money spent down the drain let alone your health..... your set post cycle therapy length should always match AT THE LEAST the same amount of weeks as "on" (and not the overlapping weeks, those are there just to allow some supps to get movin and in motion for when post cycle therapy starts)

and please im not do this to be high and mighty just lookin out for a bro who i dont want to see suffer from ignorance (AND THATS NO INSULT) and please bro look at others cycles (of trusted members who have run mutliple cycles and kept reliable logs) cause this is the minimum you should be doin for a post cycle therapy and for another tip look up SERM and what part it can play in a more complete post cycle therapy... please read more before your next cycle bro, this isnt something you should jump into head first and then try to pick up the info along the way....

good luck -poopypants
 
Sure good standard 'steriod' post. i'm not one for overkill and i think your plan is a bit of that but it'll work for sure. I have yet to see anyone who responded to H50 (and I know 7 people off the top of my head who have done multiple cycles) lose much of any weight if they kept a diet and kept lifting. half of those people only took milk thistle while on...OH GOD! and 2 more took absolutely nothing...I'm surprised they're still walking around. I've read many many logs and posts on H50 and not one has even hinted at any sides to speak of.

Trione is not just for estrogenic sides . its also boosts test inversely, I'm sure you know that, check out Rebound reloaded and Active right? the trib or trib product will naturally boost test production, so they work in a push/pull. Really its just another of going about it. Sure my suggestions is a bit lazy but it will make no difference in the long run thats for sure. Now thats only from H50 mind you. I haven't taken or even followed anything else. But from what I've seen and read your way is $$$, my way is not and they will do the exact same thing because in the end its all about diet. go ahead flame away just calling like I see it and keeping someone from thinking they are going to lose all their gains if they don't take the supp of the week.
 
Vicarious said:
Sure good standard 'steriod' post. i'm not one for overkill and i think your plan is a bit of that but it'll work for sure. I have yet to see anyone who responded to H50 (and I know 7 people off the top of my head who have done multiple cycles) lose much of any weight if they kept a diet and kept lifting. half of those people only took milk thistle while on...OH GOD! and 2 more took absolutely nothing...I'm surprised they're still walking around. I've read many many logs and posts on H50 and not one has even hinted at any sides to speak of.

Trione is not just for estrogenic sides . its also boosts test inversely, I'm sure you know that, check out Rebound reloaded and Active right? the trib or trib product will naturally boost test production, so they work in a push/pull. Really its just another of going about it. Sure my suggestions is a bit lazy but it will make no difference in the long run thats for sure. Now thats only from H50 mind you. I haven't taken or even followed anything else. But from what I've seen and read your way is $$$, my way is not and they will do the exact same thing because in the end its all about diet. go ahead flame away just calling like I see it and keeping someone from thinking they are going to lose all their gains if they don't take the supp of the week.
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VIc you go ahead and take your trib and have fun bro and i aint tryin to flame you at all.... no where in any of my post (or in my own mind really) did i even come close to refering to you or downtrodding on your ways saying only stupid people like vic do it that way. SOWHAT you took it that way and did ok and maybe couple others told you the same, but did any of you get blood work done? no? but your balls are feelin good and your shootin loads so pct musta been a success..... sheesh.

lets just say you tell him what you will and ill tell him what i will and then let the guy whos health lies in the balance decide whats best for him. k?
 
senior poopypants--i was just wondering if youre advocating an NHA stack for pct over something like Toremifene? Or were you saying to at least use NHA and also consider Toremifene?

Just curious as I'm getting ready to either run Halo/prostanzol or a psuedo high dose M4-ohn standalone. I was planning on just running Toremifene for PCT, interested to see if you think I need more?
 
schlam_of said:
senior poopypants--i was just wondering if youre advocating an NHA stack for post cycle therapy over something like Toremifene? Or were you saying to at least use NHA and also consider Toremifene?

Just curious as I'm getting ready to either run Halo/prostanzol or a psuedo high dose M4-ohn standalone. I was planning on just running Toremifene for post cycle therapy, interested to see if you think I need more?
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NO torem is QUITE a nice post cycle therapy aid, in fact im using the excat same thing in my current epi cycle, the ONLY reason i metioned the nha stack was its cheap (both are avail cheaper then one vial of torm) and its gonna at least be in my minds eyes loads better then 6-oxo and standard trib.... not saying those dont have there own place .... just shouldnt be your main post cycle therapy support.
cause this is the minimum you should be doin for a post cycle therapy and for another tip look up SERM
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if you even see im not here for all the answers just lookin out and giving tips and help for things to research on your own. Then make an educated decision on those things you find.... i told him to look up SERMS wich catagory torm, nolv, clom and more fall into.... do your homework and unless its someone VERY RELIABLE and VERY WELL VERSED dont take any one persons advice as absolute truth or the only way to do it.... that goes for mine as well.
 
Warhammer820 said:
i don't understand is it a steroid and if i take 1 cycle will i go back to normal eventually if i maintain my workout???
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do some reading man, come on. and you should know if your even considering this that diet and w/o are the only real key, vic is more then right about that fact.

try working on that first reading an ish load then come back and start asking more pertinant ?'s cause what you asked is answered 1000 times over on these forums:gotsearch

and one more tip is if your under 21 and def under 18 you shouldnt even consider a single PH PS type supp as your body is producing more test then necessary to make any gains you please.
 
BrownBoi or anyone for that matter, Is there a time of day that is better than others to take orals? Morning, night, or should it be in relation to your work out? I have searched but am having trouble finding this info

Thanks
 
It doesn't really matter too much in my opinion, with a few caveats. One is to always take it at about the same time, keep your body on a regular dosing cycle to keep hormone levels pretty constant.

The other is that often taking things later at night will affect your sleep, so i personally try not to take anything much past like 6pm...

It should be noted however that some of this all depends on what you are actually planning to take, due to the half-life of the compound. Aka, most people think m-4ohn has a short half life, so ive seen some people dose it later at night(esp if it doesnt affect their sleep), while things like Superdrol seem to have a long enough half life it can be dosed whenever...
 
I'm a recovering cancer survior so i get blood work every 6 months. Everything is perfect though my good cholesterol was 1 point low about 2 months ago. that has since risen 4 pts.

Like I said. i call it like i see it. there are MANY more threads from dudes who got gyno and such with 'proper' post cycle therapy than i've seen from anyone who took H50 with less than protocol PCT. Lipids get thrown for a whack but that can easily be dealt with. i wouldn't say a thing about any other PH or any other steriod, but I've watched this one real closely for a while now. no big deal man, rock on.

And one more thing, 5"8' 220 at 17% while bulking on nothing but food. Food the best supp ever created.
 
Hey Vic! so yesterday was my last day of the halo-50 cycle. i didnt end up gaining alot of weight but i really leaned out. I started the cycle at 142 lbs (im 5'5) dont laugh lol and finished at 148. but i can tell im alot leaner so i hoping muscle replaced alot of fat. Do you have any suggestions for a good diet? i want to cut down for summer ya know i want to see all my new muscles lol but i dont want to loose any of my gains. I know your always talking about food and its importance so i was hoping you had some insight on a good cutting diet. thanks man
 
Most important thing is to eat at least 6 times a day. by eat I don't mean a protein bar. A real meal. Cutting diets are tricky. if you've never done one it takes some time. Its best not to eat the same things every day. its best to set up a plan where your calories are different throughout the week. you can put together a good cutting diet with a handful of foods.

Chicken breasts, eggs, fish (talapia is my choice), fat-free cottege cheese, whole grain breads, oatmeal, tuna, a quality whey blend or isolate, lean lunch meats, brocolli and/or green beans, even skim milk might not hurt someone with your metabolism.

Its atough call for me to think about calories and a plan for someone who is 150lbs. Not that I'm taking a shot at you. i'm just not very good at it. i only speak for myself and I'm pre-cutting right now getting ready for a full cut next week. just coming off a bulk I need to take a little break. If you eat 6 times a day combining those foods you'll be doing great. I'm just guessing here but if you keep working out you should maintain a daily diet that hovers betwen 2200 and 2700 calories a day. Might not hurt to throw in a day with a few more carbs and hit the 2900-3000 mark on a saturday or something. you need to spend some time and plan out a weekly meal plan. you should get a good mix of carbs and protein and fats in each meal.

Go to the store and buy those foods then take some time to create a weekly meal plan. Your caloric intake should be consistent throughout your meals. No 200 cal meals then loading on 1000 for the next.

take it for whats worth. everyone is different. You just need to start and get a feel for how your body responds. it'll take at least 2 weeks to start to feel where you need to tweak things and thats only if you can maintain the 6 meals a day for the duration. theres alot more info on diets n such in the diet forum.

good luck. Diet is where its at. supps have thier place but nothing beats a solid diet. if your serious about building muscle and shaping your body there is no other option.
 
New guy needs direction

Of all the forum sites and threads, you cats got the best going on h-drol. Lots of good info. This is my first cycle and have h-drol on the way with Winztrol and the Novedex xt as a PCT but I'm not sure how to adjust the regular supplements I've been using when I start the H-Drol cycle.
I've been using DHEA for more than 4 months and ZMAs about the same lenghth of time. Do I need to lay off these while cycling? HAven't found anything substantial on this other than my own understanding that these up the testosterone. Good to know about the cycle support--will track that down.
Appreciate the direction.
 
labrynthlar said:
Of all the forum sites and threads, you cats got the best going on h-drol. Lots of good info. This is my first cycle and have h-drol on the way with Winztrol and the Novedex xt as a post cycle therapy but I'm not sure how to adjust the regular supplements I've been using when I start the H-Drol cycle.
I've been using DHEA for more than 4 months and ZMAs about the same lenghth of time. Do I need to lay off these while cycling? HAven't found anything substantial on this other than my own understanding that these up the testosterone. Good to know about the cycle support--will track that down.
Appreciate the direction.
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If you don't want to use a SERM, you should consider doing a pulse cycle.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/62121-how-pulse-orals.html
 
Halodrol-50 6 week cycle?

I have been using Halodrol-50 for almost 2 weeks but recently got a bottle of Orastan-E also. What I would like to know is what are the thoughts of extending the the HD-50 cycle to 6 weeks so I can get a full 4 week cycle in with the Orastan-E also.
Here is what the cycle currently looks like:
Week 1 – HD-50

Week 2 – HD-50

Week 3 – HD-50, Orastan-E

Week 4 – HD-50, Orastan-E

Week 5 – HD-50, Orastan-E, Nolva

Week 6 – HD-50, Orastan-E, Nolva

Week 7 – Nolva

Week 8 – Nolva

Two weeks pre cycle I started taking 2 servings of Annabolic Innovations Cycle Support, one in the morning and one at night. I will continue the cycle support through the 8 weeks.
I have read where some feel the HD-50 should be extended and some that have said results diminished after the 4th week so there was no sense in extending the cycle. Bloodwork was also done pre-cycle and will be done again after the 3rd week.
I would like to hear your opinions.
 
Six weeks of Halodrol-50 is not a good idea. Run the Orastan-e for Four weeks if that's two into the pct. I ran in the final week of a 4 week cycle and three of the post cycle weeks. Worked wonders for me. Good Luck!
 
Big BAMA said:
Six weeks of Halodrol-50 is not a good idea. Run the Orastan-e for Four weeks if that's two into the post cycle therapy. I ran in the final week of a 4 week cycle and three of the post cycle weeks. Worked wonders for me. Good Luck!
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So just drop the final two weeks of the Halodrol and keep the cycle intact?
How short can you cut it in between cycles of HD-50? Is 90 days really as short as you can go?
 
yes, and The rule of thumb is Cycle+PCT=Time Off. So if you have 4week cycle and 4week PCT take Eight weeks before you cycle again. Longer if you have any issues. You will want to get blood work done to make sure you are back to normal before you dive in again.
 
6 weeks on h-50 is not a big deal. It is only mildly liver toxic. It is one of the milder compunds. Many users do not even report any gains until the third or fourth week. Stopping h-50 at 4 weeks is a bad idea IMO. 6 weeks seems to be pretty optimal. You should realize most if not all of the gains from the compund by then, and you are not taking it long enough that it affects the liver substantially.
 
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