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Giantz11

Giantz11

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Well after a bit of experimentation I have come to the conclusion that I am hopeless in the world of supplements. They just do not do anything for me....

Aside from stimulants I appear to be a non-responder to just about anything else. To finally validate this was indeed the case with AP, I had to test the hypothesis.

Anyways past two days I have double dosed AP purposfully when I knew I wouldn't eat in a while. I did this twice the past two days and felt nada....nothing....

Being a Endo/Meso I was really hoping this would do the same for me as it does for others as I am always looking for assistance when cutting. My setpoint is at about 13% or so and to go below this I always need to reduce my cals to the point where my hunger becomes a real problem.

Long story short, I suck.....Well my supplement tolerance does for sure. Anyways I had brought this to Jacob's attention a few days ago asking him for any dosing reccomendations for AP as the normal does was not cutting it for me.

He graciously offered my a bottle of the new AP formula. As soon as I recieve it, I will make sure and log my experience here. So hopefully all of us non-responders can unit....if there are any???
 
Out of interest how long were you running it before you came to that conclusion? Hopefully the new formula works better for you.
 
A little over a month....

We'll se with the new formula, I figure I may have to double dose that as well....
 
hey, you could put a spin on this. since you don't respond well to most supplements, think of all the money you could save since they don't usually work for you. if they don't work no sense on spending money on them.

But I hope the new AP works for you, I think everybody should be able to experience this great supplement.
 
Good point for sure...although I do spend some money, trying new one in hopes that they might actually do something.
 
yea, Giantz11 i actually thought about that while I was typing my post. nothing wrong with that, if a supplement gets good feedback, why not try it in hopes, that it will work for you. I would hoping that you might find alteast something that will work.
 
Giantz11 said:
Well after a bit of experimentation I have come to the conclusion that I am hopeless in the world of supplements. They just do not do anything for me....

Aside from stimulants I appear to be a non-responder to just about anything else. To finally validate this was indeed the case with AP, I had to test the hypothesis.

Anyways past two days I have double dosed AP purposfully when I knew I wouldn't eat in a while. I did this twice the past two days and felt nada....nothing....

Being a Endo/Meso I was really hoping this would do the same for me as it does for others as I am always looking for assistance when cutting. My setpoint is at about 13% or so and to go below this I always need to reduce my cals to the point where my hunger becomes a real problem.

Long story short, I suck.....Well my supplement tolerance does for sure. Anyways I had brought this to Jacob's attention a few days ago asking him for any dosing reccomendations for AP as the normal does was not cutting it for me.

He graciously offered my a bottle of the new AP formula. As soon as I recieve it, I will make sure and log my experience here. So hopefully all of us non-responders can unit....if there are any???
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You should give it another 30 days at regular dose. You could be insulin insensitive and it will take time.
 
bare with me on this

perhaps its your mentality towards supplements. ive been doing a lot of reading lately about the power of the mind and it can influence effectiveness from my understanding.

for example, ive seen rave reviews from uninformed people who had great results from methoxyisoflavone. now, we all know this is absolutely worthless but lets pretend someone is ignorant to this fact. if someone believes the crazy claims, it may give them the confidence to attempt to lift more weight and can result to it being effective but as a placebo (they just dont know that).

i know your situation is very different but attitude can make a difference. like Descrates explanation of, "i think, therefore i am." maybe this is total BS but if you choose to think that supplements do nothing for you, maybe they wont solely based on this thought.
 
It's tha industry as a whole to blame. Often many supplements get over-hyped a la Anabolic Pump's "Holy Grail"... even Jacob plays into this. But hey, it's business.

Most natural supplements won't even come close to pharmas pure and simple, but as science advances we are starting to make some headway.
 
toad i simply can't agree with you on your last statement it is. up until VERY recently, the extremely intracate and complex interactions between chemicals and the human body were not fully understood(still not complete). many of these drugs were designed 40 years ago(when we had a fration of the knowledge we have today). attempting to isolate properties in chemials found in
nature is and was a great way to further knowlede, but it is just a game of hit and miss, as no drugs are isolated enough to not cause sides. Herbs on the other hand are passed down over generations, the ones that work are the ones that have stood the test of time, coffe beans work the same way now that they did hundreds of years ago, even if previous civilizations had no idea what caused the effets

some herbs are better and some pharmaceuticals are better, to say otherwise is to much of a generalization

just as an example i have used both herbal eca and its synthetic counterparts Extensively, the herb eca blows the sythetic out of the water(i have used many brands to) every time. it just so happens thar there is a synergysm between all the components in ephedra that isolating ephedrine ant reproduce
 
Well... I agree (in some regards) with your disagreement of my opinion. :p

I'm not so narrow-minded that I'm placing everything into a pigeonhole, but tha fact remains, 80% of this industry is overhyped crap with or without supporting scientific data.
 
I agree with both of your statements for sure. I just want to make one thing clear. I am def not looking for the holy grail as I know what that is.....Starts with a T has an R E and ends with N:icon_lol:

However I am not trying to cycle right now. I just look for some supplements every here and then that will aid in weight loss so I do not need to feel as if I'm starving all the time. I feel fine sitting at 215lbs 13%BF. But what I'm looking ofr is something that I could use to get down to the 10-11% range without altering my diet much further. Perhaps that is looking for the holy grail but I don't think so. I believe people looking for the holy grail are the people looking for 15lbs LBM and losing 5% BF and all that.....

I can accomplish what I want through Dieting, working outs etc....But at the same time for me that leaves me without much of a life due to what I have to do to get there.

Basically I need to at some point alter my setpoint, I'm fairly certain I can do that, but as I stated before, just not right now.
 
WannaBeHulk said:
for example, ive seen rave reviews from uninformed people

if someone believes the crazy claims
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TheUnlikelyToad said:
It's tha industry as a whole to blame. Often many supplements get over-hyped
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So what your saying is that when a board is swamped with free supplements to testers who are willing to keep journals of their use they are supposed to be "experienced", "knowledgeable" AND not influenced by "placebo" effect.

The word FREE produces all the positive effects any supplement company could want. When everyone else is running it and I read what they are saying I can think myself into seeing and feeling the same thing they claim AND claim it myself.

"Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd."
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
Most natural supplements won't even come close to pharmas pure and simple, but as science advances we are starting to make some headway.
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AP blows Metformin out of the water and its mechanism is independant of insulin.

If you are speaking of disease well it's a whole different approach but it's my opinion that food is the best medicine.

USPLabs is about improving performance to the highest degree without using exogenous hormones. Will any supplement out performin a Trenbolone, D-bol and test stack...heck no!

Anabolic Pump is in a class of its own and could very well be classified pharmacuetical. There is not a pharmacuetical drug that can match AP.

Super Cissus Rx for Joint, tendong, and ligament health and strength. Is there a pharmacuetical drug that can match its preventative and therapuetic value?
 
WannaBeHulk said:
perhaps its your mentality towards supplements. ive been doing a lot of reading lately about the power of the mind and it can influence effectiveness from my understanding.

for example, ive seen rave reviews from uninformed people who had great results from methoxyisoflavone. now, we all know this is absolutely worthless but lets pretend someone is ignorant to this fact. if someone believes the crazy claims, it may give them the confidence to attempt to lift more weight and can result to it being effective but as a placebo (they just dont know that).

i know your situation is very different but attitude can make a difference. like Descrates explanation of, "i think, therefore i am." maybe this is total BS but if you choose to think that supplements do nothing for you, maybe they wont solely based on this thought.
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Attitude is everything. (That was my HS hockey teams ripped-off slogan when I was a freshman). There's a lot of supps out there (i.e. HMB, glutamine, NO, Muscletech products) which some people swear by. When we mix a placebo group in the mix (like in a double-blind study) we watch the benefits melt away.

It's psychosomatic!!!
 
Giantz11 said:
Well after a bit of experimentation I have come to the conclusion that I am hopeless in the world of supplements. They just do not do anything for me....

Aside from stimulants I appear to be a non-responder to just about anything else. To finally validate this was indeed the case with AP, I had to test the hypothesis.

Anyways past two days I have double dosed AP purposfully when I knew I wouldn't eat in a while. I did this twice the past two days and felt nada....nothing....

Being a Endo/Meso I was really hoping this would do the same for me as it does for others as I am always looking for assistance when cutting. My setpoint is at about 13% or so and to go below this I always need to reduce my cals to the point where my hunger becomes a real problem.

Long story short, I suck.....Well my supplement tolerance does for sure. Anyways I had brought this to Jacob's attention a few days ago asking him for any dosing reccomendations for AP as the normal does was not cutting it for me.

He graciously offered my a bottle of the new AP formula. As soon as I recieve it, I will make sure and log my experience here. So hopefully all of us non-responders can unit....if there are any???
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How many days a week do you lift and at what time of day? Also, what is your diet like? I may be similar to you in body type. I didn't dose exactly as per the insructions and had great reults.
 
Giantz11 said:
5 days, at 7:30am.
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Are you married to that schedule? It would be great if you could free up four mornings per week for cardio. I did this with AP on an empty stomach. I know it's not recommended, but it helped me break through insulin resistance.

I lifted 3 mornings per week - lots of compound/Olympic style moves.

On weight days I took AP upon arising and ate 8 oz of low fat plain yogurt with almonds, walnut halves and a large apple. Post workout - whey shake and low GI fruit like apples, pears or berries with more nuts. All of my carbs during the day came from fruits and vegetables. I would take my third AP before my dinner which would consist of lean protein steamed vegetables and a salad. I would allow myself a sweet potato or a small portion of brown rice. My late night snack would be 4 oz of low fat yogurt and 6 or 7 almonds.

On cardio days I took AP upon arising with C2. I would do 30 minutes of high intensity cardio and finish with ab work. I would follow my workout with 8 oz of 2% cottage cheese some walnut halves and a large apple. The rest of my diet would be consistent with the weight day diet. I would only take a second dose of AP before dinner.

My results were spectacular! I lost 7 pounds of body weight and gained 6 pounds of lean muscle in 5 weeks.
 
My favorite thing about ap is that if you ad up all the comments from people that have used ap,which may seem independent of each other they all share one common theme. ap is putting the body in an anabolic state. here is why i beleive this

1.My musle quality(density, separation, etc) has increased symmetrically with size and weight increases
2.my joints and ligaments have healed to the point where i can lift without pain(i have had chronic pain since my seond year of bodybuilding. constant not reoccuring)

what do 1 and 2 have in common, they both demonstrate healing. in order for healing to occur (both in muscle, joints and ligaments), nutrients(found in food) most be utilized. the connetion between 1 and 2 lead me to beleive much of what was stated in ap write-up(steroids like deca and tren share this
quality as they are not speific to muscle, but joints and ligaments as well)
 
also i have been a member here since 04 and have well under 100 posts yet have been reading here atleast 5 days out of 7 since ive joined . I havent been impressed enough with any but a couple supps to comment on them, i mostly come here to learn from other experiences.

when i say this supplement is the best i have ever used (including )
s-drol, m1t,h-50,havoc,m-trn,1-t,m-dien i truly mean it

it is just that good and i am already on my third bottle
 
B5150 said:
The word FREE produces all the positive effects any supplement company could want. When everyone else is running it and I read what they are saying I can think myself into seeing and feeling the same thing they claim AND claim it myself.
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Kinda why I'm trying to form my own opinion via my log, and why I've purposely tried to steer away from other logs.

I'll admit, I'm tainted with Anabolic Pump knowledge but using it with my current set-up has yielded little benefit outside of what I've experienced with ALA... bit more vascularity, a little less next day water retention. We'll see...
 
TheUnlikelyToad said:
Explain that one... food rather than traditional cancer treatments?
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Yes. Chemo/radiation almost never work. There's remission, but if you look at the stats, the cancer almost always comes back.

USPLabs said:
food is the best medicine
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Hippocrates, the father of medicine, said the same thing.
 
Aeternitatis said:
Yes. Chemo/radiation almost never work. There's remission, but if you look at the stats, the cancer almost always comes back.


Hippocrates, the father of medicine, said the same thing.
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It fails to amaze me how many people fail to see the medicinal power of food. Many have the perception that thier eating healthy because they pop a few fish oil tabs.

Funny you mention Hippocrates because if you google the name you will find an institute of raw food named hippocrates. At that institue aids and cancer patients check in to heal with food becuase medicine fails. Medicine rarely ever cures but treats the symptom.

My grandmother was introduced to this eating concept 12 yerars ago when her kidneys where about to fail. Today, she is 82 healthy and vibrant...amazing!

I been introducing a raw mix into every meal. I have cut out all yeast, flour(even wheat), and eat oats and millet is a great carb. If I eat meat its organic, wild game and fish is my main protein source.

My grandmother is a pure vegan, but I have modified if for performance. When you start eating for performance and longevity instead of taste than miracles can happen and a strange thing happens...you start enjoying the food.

sorry for rambling and choppy structure,.
 
I agree with all of that.

Have you ever read about photonic energy being stored in fresh plant material? I first came upon this subject when reading transcripts of Dr. Johanna Budwig's lectures. When many diseases seem to stem from a lack of energetic efficiency or signal transcription error, this idea of "dietary photons" makes for some interesting discussion. I have since come upon information aluding to this dietary photon idea on a number of occasions.

But forgive me if I'm getting esoteric. It's the TCM talking. :D

I'll give a direct example of food as powerful medicine.

Not too long ago everyone around here was coming down with a bad flu. One night, I felt it finally taking me over in a BIG way. I knew I had to head this thing off or I was gonna be out of commission for at least a week. So I promptly went to the store and purchased 1 pound of shiitake mushrooms, 1 pound of cherry tomatos, a bunch of fresh oregano, and garlic. I sauteed the mushrooms on VERY low heat (required to free-up glyconutrients) with virgin coconut oil and ate them all. I then chopped up the tomatos, oregano, and 5 cloves fresh garlic in a big bowl and force-fed the mash to myself. In about 45 minutes I felt this incredible burst of energy and immediately all congestion, headache, fever was gone. The feeling is hard to describe, but it was a very clear "working" sensation. I slept like a rock that night and never did get sick. If anyone is interested, I can go into detail as to why I chose the foods I did.
 
Health is not the result of a single thing, or even a series of things, done right. Health is a reflection of the balance that is maintained among the different aspects of self, environment, experience, association, and food. There cannot be detriment in any one of these groups without that detriment being reflected to some degree in the others.

We achieve nothing from the simple removal of symptoms. Thus before any true change can occur one must understand two things:

1. The basic cause of damage on all levels (physical, emotional, spiritual)
2. The willingness to surrender to one's own deepest wisdom and implement positive alternatives.

To reach for a remedy before allowing time to consider these two ideas is certainly a mistake.

Without the proper mindset for benefit, even the most innocuous natural remedies (herbs, vitamins, dietary changes) can be counter productive. For example: if one were only interested in removing the symptom and made use of certain allopathic drugs that provide quick symptomatic relief would do well to consider that many of these drugs may cause weakness and diseases to occur later on. The proper attitude may be developed as one begins to see their life's roadblocks from a larger perspective and realizes that each of these blocks serves to convey valuable lessons.

The purpose of an ailment is to inform us that we have developed an imbalance and to provide a focal point for healing and change in regards to that imbalance. If we fail to learn from this process then we have failed to get well and improve. Maladies are not caused by bad diet, accidents, self neglect or any other so called causative factor. Rather they are simply the side effect of a deeper cause that is manifest in the situations we place ourselves causing these factors to exist in the presence of imbalance. As Lao Tzu put it: "A person will get well when they are tired of being sick."
 
Aeternitatis said:
Health is not the result of a single thing, or even a series of things, done right. Health is a reflection of the balance that is maintained among the different aspects of self, environment, experience, association, and food. There cannot be detriment in any one of these groups without that detriment being reflected to some degree in the others.
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Nicely put.
 
While eating right will reduce the risk of cancer, for many it will not matter what preventive measures they take. Some will get cancer, and die from it regardless. That's just life. Sad, but true.

I have known people that smoked unfiltered cigerettes for 50-60 years, with no noticable health problems, yet others never spend any time around those that smoke, and die in their 30's-50's from lung cancer.
 
bigluke39 said:
While eating right will reduce the risk of cancer, for many it will not matter what preventive measures they take. Some will get cancer, and die from it regardless. That's just life. Sad, but true.

I have known people that smoked unfiltered cigerettes for 50-60 years, with no noticable health problems, yet others never spend any time around those that smoke, and die in their 30's-50's from lung cancer.
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This is few and far between. I hate those 2 examples because it’s just an excuse to eat like **** and party like an animal.

Very few have the genetic disposition to smoke and drink and live to 100. If you gauge the progress of early onset diabetes in children, the picture becomes fairly clear.

Food is a drug just like heroin, cocaine, alcohol, tobacco and meth. You build an addiction and die overtime. The government has chosen which drug you can take, and "The man" has become a pusher.

We feed you drugs that destroy health and than we will prescribe a drug to mask the symptoms the hypocrisy is blatant. Maybe steroids are bad but alcohol and tobacco are the gateway drugs. You get high and drunk than proceed eat Jack in the crack washed down by corn syrup cocktail of diabetes before going to bed...

John McCain and all the anti steroid politicians and media ass kissers have the morality of Jose Canseco (the man they despise). Who gives a funk about Barry and baseball. How about caring about the Barry in 4th grade eating taco meat at the lunch cafeteria with the nutritional value of dog food!
 
bigluke39 said:
While eating right will reduce the risk of cancer, for many it will not matter what preventive measures they take. Some will get cancer, and die from it regardless. That's just life. Sad, but true.

I have known people that smoked unfiltered cigerettes for 50-60 years, with no noticable health problems, yet others never spend any time around those that smoke, and die in their 30's-50's from lung cancer.
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If you look at some of the "old timers" who would smoke and drink and yet live long healthy lives, the big difference you see between them and society at large is diet. Having spent some time on a farm and getting to know "old timers" I can say that they tend to eat lower carb meals than the average person. I think that's one of the biggest keys. Controlling insulin is one of our most powerful tools in the search for longevity.

My mom for example has smoked all of her life but seems to have very good health (although susceptible to chest colds). She grew up on a farm and tends to eat mostly meat ad vegetables daily. But that hasn't stopped me from trying to get her to stop smoking. So far, the best I was able to do was switch her to all-natural American Spirit. It's a start. ;)
 
Eating right is very important, because Nutrition can impact DNA. DNA can be modified by food, enviroment and state of mind. Many people believe DNA is set in stone but this is not true. Your cells are many super computers and can impact your DNA. The book "Biology of Belief" goes into great detail on this subject, a must read in my opinion. It also talks about the placebo effect and what really causes it.
 
bkprice said:
Eating right is very important, because Nutrition can impact DNA. DNA can be modified by food, enviroment and state of mind. Many people believe DNA is set in stone but this is not true. Your cells are many super computers and can impact your DNA. The book "Biology of Belief" goes into great detail on this subject, a must read in my opinion. It also talks about the placebo effect and what really causes it.
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And possibly for generations to come:

Germ-line epigenetic modification of the murine Avy allele by nutritional supplementation

Jennifer E. Cropley*,{dagger}, Catherine M. Suter*,{ddagger}, Kenneth B. Beckman{dagger}, and David I. K. Martin*,{dagger},§,¶

*Victor Chang Cardiac Research Institute, 384 Victoria Street, Darlinghurst 2010, Sydney, Australia; §School of Biotechnology and Biomolecular Sciences and {ddagger}Faculty of Medicine, University of New South Wales, Anzac Parade, Kensington 2033, Sydney, Australia; and {dagger}Children's Hospital Oakland Research Institute, 5700 Martin Luther King Junior Way, Oakland, CA 94609

Edited by Mark T. Groudine, Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, Seattle, WA, and approved September 27, 2006 (received for review August 16, 2006)

Environmental effects on phenotype can be mediated by epigenetic modifications. The epigenetic state of the murine Avy allele is highly variable, and determines phenotypic effects that vary in a mosaic spectrum that can be shifted by in utero exposure to methyl donor supplementation. We have asked if methyl donor supplementation affects the germ-line epigenetic state of the Avy allele. We find that the somatic epigenetic state of Avy is affected by in utero methyl donor supplementation only when the allele is paternally contributed. Exposure to methyl donor supplementation during midgestation shifts Avy phenotypes not only in the mice exposed as fetuses, but in their offspring. This finding indicates that methyl donors can change the epigenetic state of the Avy allele in the germ line, and that the altered state is retained through the epigenetic resetting that takes place in gametogenesis and embryogenesis. Thus a mother's diet may have an enduring influence on succeeding generations, independent of later changes in diet. Although other reports have suggested such heritable epigenetic changes, this study demonstrates that a specific mammalian gene can be subjected to germ-line epigenetic change.
 
The main reason I brought that up, is my oldest Sister has Cancer, (7 years now!) And she has never drank, smoked, or taken drugs, she has always ate very, very, clean, and natural. Lives on a small farm, and 95% of the food she eats comes from the farm. She has spent more then 2 years out of the last 7 in the Hospital. (She is there as we speak.) And she has never been over weight in the least. (Very fit and trim.)

USPLabs said:
This is few and far between. I hate those 2 examples because it’s just an excuse to eat like **** and party like an animal.

Very few have the genetic disposition to smoke and drink and live to 100. If you gauge the progress of early onset diabetes in children, the picture becomes fairly clear.

Food is a drug just like heroin, cocaine, alcohol, tobacco and meth. You build an addiction and die overtime. The government has chosen which drug you can take, and "The man" has become a pusher.

We feed you drugs that destroy health and than we will prescribe a drug to mask the symptoms the hypocrisy is blatant. Maybe steroids are bad but alcohol and tobacco are the gateway drugs. You get high and drunk than proceed eat Jack in the crack washed down by corn syrup cocktail of diabetes before going to bed...

John McCain and all the anti steroid politicians and media ass kissers have the morality of Jose Canseco (the man they despise). Who gives a funk about Barry and baseball. How about caring about the Barry in 4th grade eating taco meat at the lunch cafeteria with the nutritional value of dog food!
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bigluke39 said:
The main reason I brought that up, is my oldest Sister has Cancer, (7 years now!) And she has never drank, smoked, or taken drugs, she has always ate very, very, clean, and natural. Lives on a small farm, and 95% of the food she eats comes from the farm. She has spent more then 2 years out of the last 7 in the Hospital. (She is there as we speak.) And she has never been over weight in the least. (Very fit and trim.)
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Does the farm use any chemical sprays or reside downwind from someone who does?
 
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