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6-OXO dosage for PCT

P4D2A022

P4D2A022

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what do you guys recommend for a 4 week pct? im going to be taking nolva, but i already have androst. powder
 
yeah, im just about to come off of a pp cycle.. i was wondering because i bought the powder because its so cheap and i was thinking of mega dosing it
 
thesinner said:
There are two words that should never be used one after the other: Mega and Dosing.
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i disagree.....there are some things that can be megadosed, safely....but you're right that AIs arent one of them.

and that whole "AI inverse to SERM" business is no good, if you are suggesting a cold cut of an AI at the end of 4 weeks when your dose is 600mg, that's just plain bad advice.
 
same_old said:
i disagree.....there are some things that can be megadosed, safely....but you're right that AIs arent one of them.

and that whole "AI inverse to SERM" business is no good, if you are suggesting a cold cut of an AI at the end of 4 weeks when your dose is 600mg, that's just plain bad advice.
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I never suggested 600mg of 6-oxo and I never will.

IMO "mega-dosing" is overused and misused and gets people in a lot of issues, and although they can be safely done in certain instances, the safest thing is to never do them. People sometimes need to realize that too much of a good thing....is a bad thing.
 
pistonpump said:
cissus was good mega dosed and didnt notice anything at normal dosing. Same goes for Anagen and Fenotest.
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Is there a well-pronounced dosage of cissus? If so, then why does the new, more potent cissusRX have a higher recommended dosage (of actives) than the original? It's kind of hard to megadose if there doesn't exist a true pharmacological dosage.

There does exist a toxic overdosage level of Ecdysterone. Granted the dosage is high, it's still best to stick to what's on the label.


My two arguements against megadosing are the following:
1) You could get the same effectiveness at a lower dose
2) You might be taking a dangerous dose

Granted these might not always be the case, there's the safer route and then there's the riskier route: you already know which one I choose.
 
thesinner said:
I never suggested 600mg of 6-oxo and I never will.
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okay, 400mg stopped cold turkey is also a bad idea, IMO...but i will certainly allow for variations on people's personal PCT preferences. do what works for ya.

like you said, take the safe approach.

and lord, stay the hell away from ATD in your PCT! there's a reason why old-school BB "logic" says no arimidex in PCT.
 
same_old said:
okay, 400mg stopped cold turkey is also a bad idea, IMO...but i will certainly allow for variations on people's personal post cycle therapy preferences. do what works for ya.

like you said, take the safe approach.

and lord, stay the hell away from ATD in your PCT! there's a reason why old-school BB "logic" says no arimidex in PCT.
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Are you suggesting SERM only?

Are you saying no AI in PCT because ATD is a different form of AI right?

I have alot of 6oxo caps as well and was going to start it with Toremifene for my PCT....if you could clarify your stance on the use of 6oxo during PCT i would apprieciate it.
 
pistonpump said:
Are you suggesting SERM only?

Are you saying no AI in post cycle therapy because ATD is a different form of AI right?

I have alot of 6oxo caps as well and was going to start it with Toremifene for my PCT....if you could clarify your stance on the use of 6oxo during PCT i would apprieciate it.
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no, not at all. i like 6OXO...very much actually. somehow it seems to be a weaker AI than dex or letro, but stimulates HPTA recovery better than either...by a long shot. i have used in PCTs in the past, and will continue to do so.

all i am advocating is to never stop an AI cold turkey - taper it down. reasons for this should be pretty obvious, despite the "serm inverse to AI" PCT pundits.

the most important part of my PCT isnt even in my PCT - it's the HCG i shoot every few weeks during the cycle and in the week leading up to PCT. that's magic time there.
 
same_old said:
no, not at all. i like 6OXO...very much actually. somehow it seems to be a weaker AI than dex or letro, but stimulates HPTA recovery better than either...by a long shot. i have used in PCTs in the past, and will continue to do so.

all i am advocating is to never stop an AI cold turkey - taper it down. reasons for this should be pretty obvious, despite the "serm inverse to AI" post cycle therapy pundits.

the most important part of my PCT isnt even in my PCT - it's the HCG i shoot every few weeks during the cycle and in the week leading up to PCT. that's magic time there.
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okay i see what youre saying.

i missed out on the HCG, unfortunately.
 
same_old said:
i disagree.....there are some things that can be megadosed, safely....but you're right that AIs arent one of them.

and that whole "AI inverse to SERM" business is no good, if you are suggesting a cold cut of an AI at the end of 4 weeks when your dose is 600mg, that's just plain bad advice.
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But ergopharm's recommended dosage for 6-OXO is 600mg.In other words I wouldn't consider that a mega dose.

6-OXO,being a steroidal antiaromatase, I would think shouldn't be a problem just "cold cutting". Whereas dex or letro than yes "cold cutting" could be.Not saying a taper wouldn't be better overall (seems gentler) but as long as there is no aromatise upregulation from AI it shouldn't be a problem IMHO.
 
FYI777 said:
But ergopharm's recommended dosage for 6-OXO is 600mg.In other words I wouldn't consider that a mega dose.

6-OXO,being a steroidal antiaromatase, I would think shouldn't be a problem just "cold cutting". Whereas dex or letro than yes "cold cutting" could be.Not saying a taper wouldn't be better overall (seems gentler) but as long as there is no aromatise upregulation from AI it shouldn't be a problem IMHO.
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How should I take 6-OXO if I am coming off of a prohormone cycle?
You should start the 6-OXO immediately after completion a hormone cycle. For the first week, take 600mg a day, and then reduce the dose to 400mg a day the next week, followed by 200mg the final week.

from some website...

they still recommend the taper. i cant think of one good reason to ramp an AI up and then quit it cold turkey. can anyone shed some light?
 
same_old said:
How should I take 6-OXO if I am coming off of a prohormone cycle?
You should start the 6-OXO immediately after completion a hormone cycle. For the first week, take 600mg a day, and then reduce the dose to 400mg a day the next week, followed by 200mg the final week.

from some website...

they still recommend the taper. i cant think of one good reason to ramp an AI up and then quit it cold turkey. can anyone shed some light?
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Not sure if this helps but remember they are ramping a STEROIDAL AI up and then quiting cold turkey.Remember aromatase is not upregulated with these types of AI's.This was explained eloquently on that first page,wish I could explain it as good.It's not easy to understand the logic but the logic is there.

As explained on another board letrozole was proven to raise test levels but this was not in the context of suppressed androgen levels due to exogenous androgens rather in the context of normal baseline metabolism.After reading that page though it seems upon discontinuing letro, estro could go higher than original baseline levels.But my question is what are female cancer patients aromatising and how does letro lower their estro levels?

Getting back to what you were asking I think that after ramping up the AI then quitting cold turkey sort of acts to jump start test levels and then set them off on there own like a rocket glider going down the ramp and then letting glider go on it's own so to speak.
 
thesinner said:
I would go 100/200/300/400. Running the AI inverse of the SERM is the best way to go.

Check out the following link:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/37790-running-serm-inverse.html
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You always need to taper off 6-OXO too or risk Estrogen Rebound. Drop dosage 100 mgs at a time with at least 4 days between drops. You risk gyno and low testosterone by not tapering. Not taper 6-OXO is huge mistake! It is not the same ATD, it has a very short half-life. Don't be foolish.
 
thesinner said:
HCG is not a serm. It is used during the cycle to help prevent HPTA shutdown.
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you're sort of right. HCG intervenes between the HPTA and the leydig cells in the testes, acting in place of LH...so, it keeps your balls making T but your HPTA is still down for the count. it basically keeps half of the equipment operational :)
 
LH mimicker I believe,unlike SERMS which stimulate the body's own LH via hypothalmus.Human Chroinic Gonadotrophin.Spelling I know.
 
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