Thunder KAT
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would it be point less to run a standalone 4-ad cycle??
4-ad??
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Werewolf
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Not a great mass builder on it's own. Better used to provide Testosterone support during a suppressive cycle. Watch for gyno if run solo. X-mass maybe?
nightfly71
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I ran it w/ ergomax lmg and 1-test and got really good results.
sdmf45
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Nice avatar werewolf...
aspire210
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would it be pointless to run a test only cycle? Remember 4ad does have activity on its own, its slight more androgenic and slightly less anabolic, unless i have that backwards. Either way, its 105/95 when compared to test, mg for mg, injected of course.
Cardinal
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Keep in mind 4AD is a pretty wet compound. I don't personally see an advantage to using it over testosterone.
I get the same side effects from 4AD that I do from test (as would be expected to an extent). The partitioning just isn't as good. In practice I find it not to be very anabolic compared to straight testosterone. However, keep in mind I ran it as a dermal (sold the cyp I had pre-ban).
It is a cool little ph....best used with other steroids though as noted previously.
I get the same side effects from 4AD that I do from test (as would be expected to an extent). The partitioning just isn't as good. In practice I find it not to be very anabolic compared to straight testosterone. However, keep in mind I ran it as a dermal (sold the cyp I had pre-ban).
It is a cool little ph....best used with other steroids though as noted previously.
aspire210
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1) I never said use it OVER testosterone, but if its all you got, it will work as a decent substitute.
2) You don't really know the dosage your getting trans-dermal, it varies...a lot.