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Add anavar vs increase injectables

CroLifter

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So I rarely post questions regarding my own cycle as i have my own philosophies and like to run a little on the lower side but just wanted to hear opinions from you guys.

Right now I am on 250 test 100 primo and 2 iu gh. I am progressing ok but planning for the last phase of the cycle (last 5-6 weeks). I am focused on the strength and recomp and my workouts are based around bench and squat where I do a heavy set followed by 10 rep sets on the bench and squat, while the back and the rest gets exclusively more bodybuilding style rep ranges.

My idea for the last phase is either:

a) add 20mg anavar daily. That is a nice dose for me, at 30 j barely get more out of it. At 20 already pumps are sometimes too much, and i get a nice strength bump

b) increase test to 375 and primo to 150, so that is an increase from 350 to 525 total mg weekly of injectables. A notable 50% increase.

I think I would prefer option b) due to less impact on lipids and as I am going to cruise on 150 test for 6 odd weeks after the blast, I would like to keep toxicity down as i know my lipids wont instantly start returning to normal. But again if high hematocrit rears its ugly head then I will be forced to drop the dosages of injectables, increase gh to 4 iu to compensate for anabolism and go with anavar as anavar doesnt seem to impact my hematocrit as much as test does. So there are some other variables also at play here. Thats the plan for high hematocrit scenario.


So what do you think, which option do you think would be more suitable in this case? I felt like maybe just going with b) and seeing how a combo of moderate test/low primo treats me this time around but then again am I missing out too much by not having anavar in? I sometimes feel like I want to just throw it in for the sake of it, but I still feel its a nice little drug, not that great for size but it does more than ok in deficit. Keep in mind I am at maintenance.

PS: I didnt think about just increasing the primo as it seems this ratio is favorable to me. Any more primo in relation to test and I dont want to risk lowering estrogen too much.
 
What's up dude, I wouldn't be overly concerned with the lipids on that low of a dose of VAR, any changes will be very temporary,. But, I say Increase injectables 100%, your cycles are very conservative. They look more like trt + then a cycle. You definitely have room to up the dosage. 400 test/200primo and 4 units of GH would be my vote and that is still very much considered a conservative beginner cycle or something a more advanced person might just stay on all the time lol. Regardless of the doses you choose I think you should up the injectables.
 
Thats because I start from a low point and just getting my test to 1500 ng/dl gives me 4x the test levels. Makes more sense to me than to jump straight into 500.

If hematocrit permits, I will be upping the test and primo probably for the last phase.
 
I would increase the Test/Primo also but I would extend the cycle. Both Test/Primo is slow so it takes awhile for them to “kick in” (unless you have Test P and Primo A). I would run it for 8-10 weeks to get the most of it. It shouldn’t hurt your lipids too much.
 
I agree with Smont and BBiceps to increase injectables, especially since Test and Primo are two of the “safer” injectables. And starting low like you do, you should definitely see and feel that boost.💪
 
CroLifter said:
Thats because I start from a low point and just getting my test to 1500 ng/dl gives me 4x the test levels. Makes more sense to me than to jump straight into 500.

If hematocrit permits, I will be upping the test and primo probably for the last phase.
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I understand what you're saying, but 1500 is a naturally attainable testosterone level for a healthy man. So if you're on an amount of testosterone that gives you that reading you're not on cycle you're just on hormone replacement therapy. I love that you want to be conservative, but you're being so conservative that you're running cycles that give natural results they're not really cycles.

If I dropped back down to my trt normal 150 mg a week and I stayed there for a month or two, and then I bumped my test up to 250 and added 100 mg of Primo I promise you I would see no difference in results at all nothing noticeable unless I just stayed on that all year round and then maybe over the course of 6 to 8 months I might see a little improvement.
 
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BBiceps said:
I would increase the Test/Primo also but I would extend the cycle. Both Test/Primo is slow so it takes awhile for them to “kick in” (unless you have Test P and Primo A). I would run it for 8-10 weeks to get the most of it. It shouldn’t hurt your lipids too much.
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If he's getting regular blood work done I would just stay on test and Primo for as long as my blood work look good
 
I am on the same protocol at 51 years old. Currently running test at 525 and primo at 210. Just had bloods done and will bump the primo to 300 and the test to 675. I initially thought about adding Var but I cant stomach orals anymore.
 
Smont said:
I understand what you're saying, but 1500 is a naturally attainable testosterone level for a healthy man. So if you're on an amount of testosterone that gives you that reading you're not on cycle you're just on hormone replacement therapy. I love that you want to be conservative, but you're being so conservative that you're running cycles that give natural results they're not really cycles.

If I dropped back down to my trt normal 150 mg a week and I stayed there for a month or two, and then I bumped my test up to 250 and added 100 mg of Primo I promise you I would see no difference in results at all nothing noticeable unless I just stayed on that all year round and then maybe over the course of 6 to 8 months I might see a little improvement.
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I agree. But I always found 300-350mg to be a good 1st starting point in the cycle and its what I woud recommend a beginner. And then one can always increase to the 500 range. And I think its fine to stay there and lots can be made at that level.

So the decision has been made to go with increasing injectables, if hematocrit permits. But once it gets high, and I dump blood, the vicious cycle then begins where hematocrit raises even faster now, and if i dump too much blood then the symptoms of iron deficiency appear and its no fun (malaise, lethargy).
How i know hematocrit is too high, i wake ip with completelt numb arm or even a leg. It never happens when h&h are normal. For me that is around 52% and up.


We may disagree but once the dosages start creeping up towards a gram, that is no longer a recreational user territory and the stress starts to add up.

Of course its different if one's starting point is 150-200mg of test in form of trt or 350 ng/dl natural level (or even a healthy natural level like 500-700).
 
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