Donald Trump running for president

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The dude has no clue that hot positive job numbers is worse for odds of rate cuts!!!!!

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ax1 said:
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I'm not defending Trump, I've lost a lot of respect for the guy. But Trump didn't start this war, Iran was bombing US military bases in 2023 and 2024. They were involved in a 180+ attacks, the one in 2024 killed and injured American soldiers. Israel has been one of our biggest allies since the '60s (I'm also not supporting Israel I don't support anyone in this to be honest), that is regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican was in office. Barack Obama helped fund Israel building that missile wall. They were supporting Israel while he was in office and Israel and Iran have been at it since 1979 when I ran started the Islamic revolution.

I don't agree with what's going on I can't say it enough, but let's stop pretending like this is something new. This is not a new war, it just escalated. The US and Iran have been at each other's throats for over 40 years.

Every president is going to be a crook and they're all in bed with each other doesn't matter if they're Democrats or Republicans. This time it's Trump next time it'll be someone else, by the way Trump and Obama are like the same damn person does anybody else notice that? Trump just has a bigger mouth and ego, but They all stand for the same s***
 
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By the way, @ax1 that wasn't meant to be a personal attack at you, I often agree with a lot of your stuff
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Oh I dont take it that way, just politics, I appreciate you giving feedback dont mind being poked fun of here and there either as long as it makes for some interesting and fun discussions :)
 
ax1 said:
Oh I dont take it that way, just politics, I appreciate you giving feedback dont mind being poked fun of here and there either as long as it makes for some interesting and fun discussions :)
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Just because everybody's always fighting over politics I felt it was necessary to include that, I didn't think you would take it personal tho
 
Smont said:
I'm not defending Trump, I've lost a lot of respect for the guy. But Trump didn't start this war, Iran was bombing US military bases in 2023 and 2024. They were involved in a 180+ attacks, the one in 2024 killed and injured American soldiers. Israel has been one of our biggest allies since the '60s (I'm also not supporting Israel I don't support anyone in this to be honest), that is regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican was in office. Barack Obama helped fund Israel building that missile wall. They were supporting Israel while he was in office and Israel and Iran have been at it since 1979 when I ran started the Islamic revolution.

I don't agree with what's going on I can't say it enough, but let's stop pretending like this is something new. This is not a new war, it just escalated. The US and Iran have been at each other's throats for over 40 years.

Every president is going to be a crook and they're all in bed with each other doesn't matter if they're Democrats or Republicans. This time it's Trump next time it'll be someone else, by the way Trump and Obama are like the same damn person does anybody else notice that? Trump just has a bigger mouth and ego, but They all stand for the same s***
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Yeah I dont support any of them really, I give the perspective of a pure 70s style Libertarian, abolish almost everything, "America Only" (free trade with all) and anyone who infringes our liberties is a domestic terrorist haha

Im obsessed with freedoms and liberties, and no I dont support pure anarchism.
 
Smont said:
I'm not defending Trump, I've lost a lot of respect for the guy. But Trump didn't start this war, Iran was bombing US military bases in 2023 and 2024.
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Can you imagine China having military bases with all kinds of weaponry pointed at us on the borders of Mexico and Canada?

I do look at the history of Iran from the 50s on from the overthrow of their President when he wanted to nationalize the oil then a puppet was put in place. Things are complicated but thats what you get with foreign intervention and having politions/corporations launch wars over resources on other countries. I oppose all foreign intervention, this never would have happened under my watch haha

If it was me today Id end 100% of all sanctions, bring all our troops home (they can defend the border or stay home with their families, I support a powerful military) and buy all the oil up from Iran things would be better imo and American way of life would be more affordable. Iran wouldnt have any interest in harming us oncethey are addicted to a more vibrant economy, just compete and we be frenemies.
 
Yeah, he fell offthe box office charts in the late 90's, in the early 2000s he had one good movie role in exit wounds and then nobody ever wanted to see him in the movies again and he went direct to video.

People started calling him out for being a fake martial artist and he just refused to get in the ring and just kept doing these weird fake demonstrations and kind of became the laughing stock of the martial arts movie industry. Shortly after he ate his feelings, then he ate the director that wouldn't cast him, and eventually he ate the whole cast of a Broadway play.
 
TheViking said:
We can only look at the facts: Israel would be nothing without the aid and support of the U.S. I mean literally nothing. Still, I understand the strategic position the U.S. holds, with Israel serving as an American ally in the Middle East.
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Wrong. US support for Israel only started in earnest in the 80's (though there were lower levels starting in the 60's). Malcolm Gladwell, speaking about individuals, said 'no one ever makes it on his own, everyone has help'. This applies to every nation, including the US and Israel. The US would not have made it without the French, and Israel would not have made it without Czechoslovakia (note: the US had little to do with it, and in fact blocked the transfer of weapons to the Jews as part of a UN embargo in 1947-48). Czechoslovakia was the primary assistance in 1948; later, it was France and Britain that helped Israel develop nukes.

People who act like the US supports Israel for any reason besides that support serving US needs are silly. The US support was primarily a counter to communist expansion, a tool of the Cold War. If the US had not supported Israel, Israel would have found other allies; inferior allies, and it would have been way worse, but they would have found a way. By the 80's, Israel was established and not going anywhere, so I'm not sold on the whole 'not surviving' thing. They were decades past the make it or break it point, by the time the US ramped up support to current levels.
 
Substandard Americans love to blame others for their poor situation in life.
Currently that means blaming the jews.

The Nazis did the same thing blaming the jews for their poor situation in life following WW1

The Nazis were socialists, BTW.

What comes around, goes around... and round and round we go
 
The USS Liberty conspiracy theory asks you to accept that Israel, a nation of 2.5 million people fighting for its literal survival on six fronts simultaneously against 110 million Arabs equipped with Soviet tanks, Soviet aircraft, and Soviet warships, and with no formal American alliance, no American weapons, and no guarantee that anyone was coming to save them, chose day four of that existential war to deliberately attack the one country on earth that might eventually become their ally, in broad daylight, in international waters, leaving 174 survivors who could identify the attacking forces, while fourteen separate investigations across two governments found zero evidence of intent, while Israel’s own military had accidentally bombed its own armored column the day before proving how catastrophically identification fails in wartime chaos, and while not a single one of the conspiracy theory’s proponents in nearly six decades of trying has ever managed to agree on what Israel was actually trying to accomplish by doing it.
 
BamBam54 said:
Substandard Americans love to blame others for their poor situation in life.
Currently that means blaming the jews.

The Nazis did the same thing blaming the jews for their poor situation in life following WW1

The Nazis were socialists, BTW.

What comes around, goes around... and round and round we go
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No bigger bunch of whiner crybabies in earth than Zionists, then they justify everything by genociding babies and promoting ethnic cleansing in land they stole.
 
Islam started in 1 city with 1 man and spread by the sword over 56 countries, and 1b followers, and spends their whole time complaining now about 'Islamophobia', 'the joos', and 'israel', but the 16m Jews who have one miniscule country in their traditional historical homeland, who want no other land and don't convert anyone, are whiners?

**** off.
 
poison said:
Islam started in 1 city with 1 man and spread by the sword over 56 countries, and 1b followers, and spends their whole time complaining now about 'Islamophobia', 'the joos', and 'israel', but the 16m Jews who have one miniscule country in their traditional historical homeland, who want no other land and don't convert anyone, are whiners?

**** off.
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The USA is traditionally Mexico and Native American perhaps we should follow the same rules here and let them blow up and genocide babies so they can have their traditional homeland back and you can lead the charge defending them too. I’ll be really proud of your humanitarian efforts restoring what’s right for the indigenous populations.
 
BamBam54 said:
Substandard Americans love to blame others for their poor situation in life.
Currently that means blaming the jews.

The Nazis did the same thing blaming the jews for their poor situation in life following WW1

The Nazis were socialists, BTW.

What comes around, goes around... and round and round we go
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Yes, Republicans have been doing this for years. Blacks, Jews, Mexicans and now Arabs. It's how they get poor white trash to vote against their own best interests. Regarding Israel which you deliberately conflate with Jewish people, it's about time both sides have opened their eyes and come together to realize what a disgusting country and 93% of its inhabitants truly are.
 
beefyfan said:
Yes, Republicans have been doing this for years. Blacks, Jews, Mexicans and now Arabs. It's how they get poor white trash to vote against their own best interests. Regarding Israel which you deliberately conflate with Jewish people, it's about time both sides have opened their eyes and come together to realize what a disgusting country and 93% of its inhabitants truly are.
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Beefy - When you voted FOR Kamala (and open borders, cutting dicks off children, men dressed as women competing in sports, funding the Ukraine war forever, trillions in green energy, mandatory covid shots, drag queen story hour in elementary school, woke/DEI hiring requirments).... how was that in YOUR best interest?????

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beefyfan said:
Yes, Republicans have been doing this for years. Blacks, Jews, Mexicans and now Arabs. It's how they get poor white trash to vote against their own best interests. Regarding Israel which you deliberately conflate with Jewish people, it's about time both sides have opened their eyes and come together to realize what a disgusting country and 93% of its inhabitants truly are.
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Republicrats are just like Demicans, keep people poor and dependent on government forever and keep them just fearful enough so they keep begging for one genocide after another, and those who arent fearful cling to their social benefits and other big government services as bribes to keep voting for genocides, they all part of the same club, Club Pathetic.
 
ax1 said:
The USA is traditionally Mexico and Native American perhaps we should follow the same rules here and let them blow up and genocide babies so they can have their traditional homeland back and you can lead the charge defending them too. I’ll be really proud of your humanitarian efforts restoring what’s right for the indigenous populations.
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Nice deflection. You said Jews are whiners, and 'they justify everything by genociding babies and promoting ethnic cleansing in land they stole'. Jews haven't stolen land; Arabs, however, have stolen near continents, with around 20% of the worlds landmass falling under Islam through conquest and by force.

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Jews have not committed genocide. Muslims have committed many:

Early Islamic Conquests and Caliphates (7th–8th centuries)
  • Arabian Peninsula (Ridda Wars and early expansions, 600s): Muhammad and successors suppressed polytheist Arab tribes, Jewish tribes (e.g., Banu Qurayza massacre), and Christian groups. Chroniclers describe killings, enslavements, and forced conversions or jizya subjugation. Not full genocide of entire peoples but targeted destruction of resistant religious groups.

    wikiislam.net
  • Conquests of North Africa, Persia, and Levant: Destruction of Zoroastrian, Christian, and pagan communities with mass killings, temple destructions, and demographic shifts. Berber and other groups faced repression.
Medieval Period
  • India (8th–18th centuries, especially Delhi Sultanate, Mughals, and invasions): Repeated campaigns by Mahmud of Ghazni, Muhammad Ghori, Timur (Tamerlane), Bahmani Sultans, and others. Contemporary Muslim chronicles boast of mass slaughters (e.g., 100,000+ Hindus in single campaigns as a quota), temple destructions, enslavements, and forced conversions. Historian K.S. Lal estimated ~80 million Hindu deaths 1000–1525 CE from wars, famines, and massacres—described by some as history's bloodiest conquest story (Will Durant). Debated as systematic genocide vs. brutal conquest; scale is massive.

    raoulwallenberg.net
  • Timur's campaigns (late 14th century): Pyramids of skulls from Hindus, Christians, and others across Central Asia, Persia, and India.
Ottoman Empire (esp. 19th–early 20th century)
  • Armenian Genocide (1915–1923): Ottoman Young Turks (Committee of Union and Progress) systematically killed/deported ~1–1.5 million Armenians via death marches, massacres, and starvation. Recognized as genocide by most historians and many countries; first major 20th-century genocide. Motivated by Turkish nationalism, wartime security, and anti-Christian sentiment.

    encyclopedia.ushmm.org
  • Assyrian Genocide (Sayfo, 1914–1920): Hundreds of thousands of Assyrian Christians killed alongside Armenians.

    mdpi.com
  • Greek Genocide/Pontic Genocide (1910s–1920s): Mass killings and expulsion of Anatolian Greeks (~300,000–900,000 deaths). Part of broader Christian extermination in Asia Minor.

    mdpi.com
These are often called the "Late Ottoman Genocides" or "Christian Genocides." Turkey denies the "genocide" label, citing wartime rebellion and mutual deaths.

mfa.gov.tr
20th–21st Centuries
  • Simele Massacre (Iraq, 1933): Iraqi army (under Kurdish general Bakr Sidqi) massacred 600–6,000 Assyrians in villages; broader campaign. Followed Ottoman-era persecutions.

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Hazara Genocide (Afghanistan, 1888–1893): Emir Abdur Rahman Khan's forces killed/enslaved ~50–60% of Shia Hazara population (~60,000+ families affected); land redistribution. Ethnic/religious targeting.

    en.wikipedia.org
  • Bangladesh Genocide (1971): Pakistani (Muslim) army killed ~300,000–3 million Bengalis (mostly Muslims, but targeted Hindus too); ~200,000–400,000 rapes. Often called genocide; religious and ethnic dimensions.
  • ISIS/Daesh (2014–): Explicit genocide against Yazidis (mass killings, sex slavery, forced conversion), Christians, Shia, and others in Iraq/Syria. US, UK, European Parliament, and UN recognized aspects as genocide.

    bbc.com
Other Notable Cases
  • Destruction of Buddhism in Afghanistan/Pakistan/North India: Gradual via conquest, temple destruction (e.g., Bamiyan Buddhas later by Taliban), and conversions. Not always "genocide" but cultural/religious erasure.

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  • Sudanese campaigns (various, esp. 20th–21st century): Against Christians, animists, and non-Arab groups in South/Nuba/Darfur; ICC charges for genocide.
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Meanwhile, under 100k Palestinians have been killed in Israel between 1948-2023, including in every major war, skirmish, and one-off attack, and the Palestinian population grew from ~600k to 4m. But yeah, the nearly invisible yellow dot on the map above, in amongst that sea of green, is the problem.
 
poison said:
Nice deflection. You said Jews are whiners, and 'they justify everything by genociding babies and promoting ethnic cleansing in land they stole'. Jews haven't stolen land; Arabs, however, have stolen near continents, with around 20% of the worlds landmass falling under Islam through conquest and by force.

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Jews have not committed genocide. Muslims have committed many:


Meanwhile, under 100k Palestinians have been killed in Israel between 1948-2023, including in every major war, skirmish, and one-off attack, and the Palestinian population grew from ~600k to 4m. But yeah, the nearly invisible yellow dot on the map above, in amongst that sea of green, is the problem.
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Nobody gives a fuq about the cavemen, literally Zionsists been stealing and continue to steal land and genociding all over the place today and nobody is in jail.

More shocking than anything it literally debating someone propping up jihidi terrorist regimes because some light in the sky threw a rock at them and they took it as a property deed over someone else's shyt.
 
ax1 said:
Nobody gives a fuq about the cavemen, literally Zionsists been stealing and continue to steal land and genociding all over the place today and nobody is in jail.

More shocking than anything it literally debating someone propping up jihidi terrorist regimes because some light in the sky threw a rock at them and they took it as a property deed over someone else's shyt.
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Literally, they have not, not ever, not once. 0 genocide from the Jews, 0 expansionism, 0 colonialism. Those are 100% Muslim traditions. A glance at the map proves it easily.
 
poison said:
Literally, they have not, not ever, not once. 0 genocide from the Jews, 0 expansionism, 0 colonialism. Those are 100% Muslim traditions. A glance at the map proves it easily.
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Those people from centuries ago are all dead, I love history but I can only focus on active participating genocidal jihadi's right now soooo.....Zionists it is until justice is served.

Im from Sicily (but born in USA,) we were an arab colony for a couple hundred years, I dont approve of genociding people just because someone's ancestors stole our land a thousand years ago.
 
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Literally, they have not, not ever, not once. 0 genocide from the Jews, 0 expansionism, 0 colonialism. Those are 100% Muslim traditions. A glance at the map proves it easily.
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PS: Jews dont genocide, Zionists do. Stop confusing the two, they are unrelated, Zionists is a political mass murder jihadi group, Judiasm is a religion, unafilliated other than the religion is hijacked by jihadi's and alot of jews are pizzed off about that.
 
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Literally, they have not, not ever, not once. 0 genocide from the Jews, 0 expansionism, 0 colonialism. Those are 100% Muslim traditions. A glance at the map proves it easily.
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Below not an act of Torah loving people, but mass murdering Zionists up for land grabs to expand their racist state.

Good luck in hell every Zionist on Earth, I wont be there to see you all.

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poison said:
Literally, they have not, not ever, not once. 0 genocide from the Jews, 0 expansionism, 0 colonialism. Those are 100% Muslim traditions. A glance at the map proves it easily.
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Is it a Zionist tradition to fund, arm, train and provide intelligence to other jahidi groups and false flag their own people leading to 3,000 people of their own kind dead so they can expand their property portfolio on the Israeli version of Zillow?

Ill answer that for you, yes. Your dear leader is the re-incarnation of Satan.
 
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