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Question about Vicious Labs Pyrosten(M-sten)

geargoblin

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Hey all, I just recently purchased an unopened bottle of Vicious Labs Pyrosten (M-sten) and I'm planning on doing a 4 week cycle at 20/20/20/20, currently I'm 5 days in the cycle and honestly i'm not noticing anything different.

I'm taking 1200mg NAC, 500MG TUDCA, 3g omega-3 fish oil, a 4-andro test base, and taurine.

I'm 6 feet tall 190lbs and 18% bodyfat, I'm eating 210g protein, 500g carbs, 60g fats and I've noticed I'm slowly moving up in the scale but that's probably just the food and not the M-sten.

Am I too early on in the cycle to notice changes or is it possibly bunk/underdosed?
 

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Building muscle takes time, the average steroid user who's also living the lifestyle can add about 10-12lbs of muscle per year. You should expect weight gain on par with your diet, @ 18% bf your not going to see cosmetic effects, that's only happening for ppl who are already very lean. When everything is said and done, 1 4 week cycle of anything will not add significant amount of muscle. You could gain anywhere from 0-20lbs and if you keep 2-3 that's a good cycle.
 
geargoblin said:
A lot of people refer to early pumps or strength changes happening like the first 3 days on some strong designer oral AAS, I expected something like that.
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You will get a small boost in strength if you take your dose pre workout. If someone is lean and eating a good amount of carbs they should start to feel full and more pumped up. Your glycogen storing capacity goes up a little. But there's not any real in your face effects I'd expect you to see. Within two weeks you should be putting up more reps and more weight. If I was just on my TRT for a while and I threw 30mg of msten in then I'd expect to be doing a few extra reps on my working sets. 250 for a few sets of 8 might turn into sets of 10-12 about 2 weeks later.
 
Smont said:
You will get a small boost in strength if you take your dose pre workout. If someone is lean and eating a good amount of carbs they should start to feel full and more pumped up. Your glycogen storing capacity goes up a little. But there's not any real in your face effects I'd expect you to see. Within two weeks you should be putting up more reps and more weight. If I was just on my TRT for a while and I threw 30mg of msten in then I'd expect to be doing a few extra reps on my working sets. 250 for a few sets of 8 might turn into sets of 10-12 about 2 weeks later.
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Thanks for letting me know, I'm not sure why but I expected msten to be something like tren level strength but the boost is still going to do a lot for me. Probably going to look towards bumping up to 30mg msten split throughout the day.
 
geargoblin said:
Thanks for letting me know, I'm not sure why but I expected msten to be something like tren level strength but the boost is still going to do a lot for me. Probably going to look towards bumping up to 30mg msten split throughout the day.
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Well I can also tell you if I started trend right now at any dosage pick the highest craziest number you can think of let's say 2,000 mg a day, which is absolutely retarded ridiculous but I'm just trying to prove a point.

In 5 days on tren in any dosage, also nothing would be noticeable.



I'm getting the vibe that you think taking steroids magically turns you into a different person, and the truth of the matter is, the large majority of steroid users barely look like they lift weights. Id confidently bet my own life that less then 10% of steroid users actually look like they're on steroids, I use the same example all the time but there's no shortage of 150 lb guys at planet fitness on tren and winni all summer every year. By the end of the summer they usually are just starting to look like they work out lol
 
12 to 20+ week cycles build tangible amounts of muscle mass, 4 to 6 weeks cycles make you look like you're holding a little bit of water and you get a good pump and at the end of those four to six weeks you'll find out that you didn't really build any actual muscle tissue maybe a pound or two.
 
Smont said:
12 to 20+ week cycles build tangible amounts of muscle mass, 4 to 6 weeks cycles make you look like you're holding a little bit of water and you get a good pump and at the end of those four to six weeks you'll find out that you didn't really build any actual muscle tissue maybe a pound or two.
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I think I needed the reality check honestly, it's good to know now that I'm expecting too much out of this, once I get lean around 10-12% bodyfat after this cycle I'll consider a longer test only cycle.
 
Is vicious labs still in business? I'm trying to get in touch with zoo...holler at me if you're still around!
 
Smont said:
They shut it down quite a few years ago. I can't remember the last time I seen zoo post either, probably years
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I can't find him on fb or anywhere else, was a good friend of mine. Seems like everything has slowed down substantially with this stuff...
 
yates84 said:
I can't find him on fb or anywhere else, was a good friend of mine. Seems like everything has slowed down substantially with this stuff...
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Ya, traffic has slowed down significantly. We have a handful of ppl that hang out in each section, but YouTube and discord groups based off the YouTube fitness channels have taken ppl off the boards. The boards now are a bunch of the older guys who just never left and the new revolving doors of guys who think a 4 week oral cycle will make them look like a bodybuilder. No offense to anyone. It's the normal introduction to steroids stuff. Every one of us at one time assumed 1 cycle gets you gigantic 🤦
 
Smont said:
Ya, traffic has slowed down significantly. We have a handful of ppl that hang out in each section, but YouTube and discord groups based off the YouTube fitness channels have taken ppl off the boards. The boards now are a bunch of the older guys who just never left and the new revolving doors of guys who think a 4 week oral cycle will make them look like a bodybuilder. No offense to anyone. It's the normal introduction to steroids stuff. Every one of us at one time assumed 1 cycle gets you gigantic 🤦
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Yeah, I'm starting to see that. I'm back and not going anywhere. My first cycle was OL epistane and tr3n and it changed my life lol but definitely didn't get me as far as I thought it would. You really gotta blast and cruise if you want to really get where you want to be, unfortunately.
 
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