Collagen peptides, are they useful or a marketing term?
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ironviking
The Axe Man Cometh!!
It's called a peptide because it isn't a complete protein so they can't market as a collagen protein supplement. I'm still unclear if they are needed if a person is taking adequate amounts of protein; studies I've found were around if they actually did anything for connective tissue health and many of them did but data of the subjects diet and workout history were not included. Most of them were done using untrained individuals which always puts the applicability in question. -would the research yield the same results on trained individuals with a diet geared toward performance?
Smont
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Having an excess of certain amino acids is what I'm looking for. If I'm consuming tons of protein on a regular basis and those complete proteins are being used for muscle repair and all of the functions that they normally do you're probably not going to have excessive amounts of leftover of the specific ones we're looking for joint and skin. The collagen is providing the amino acids that are already in the right amounts for your joints and skin and connective tissues and all those things just like a complete protein is already in the form you need for building muscle.
Without going down the rabbit hole, and I understand there is a lot of room for argument, but here's my own argument.
If getting enough regular protein will cover the needs for all the skin, joint, ligaments and tendons and stuff like that, and we don't need collagen protein in the proper ratios for skin, joints, ligaments and all that stuff, then at the same time wouldn't complete protein sources not matter for muscle growth and recovery as long as I'm eating enough total protein and why would we waste our money on whey or high quality meat sources if we could just use cheap crap sources and eat more of it. Or if you wanted to make the argument (not you personally )I mean in general, if someone wanted to make the argument that if you did eat tons and tons of incomplete proteins until it eventually made enough complete protein you would get all the benefits you're looking for still, I would say yes I can agree with that, but how much food would you need to do that? It would probably be an unrealistic amount to get 250 g of complete protein out of non complete protein sources.
So if I'm getting all of my protein in and I'm getting 250 g a day like I've been doing and all that protein is going to all of my normal bodily functions and muscle repair and recovery and muscle growth and stuff like that, probably not going to have an excess of glycine, proline and hudroxy proline left over as those make up like 50% of collagen protein.
So if you need large amounts of those ones specifically, to get the benefits we're looking for from a collagen supplement, how much extra regular protein on top of what I'm already eating what I need to consume to get the right amounts of those.
Sorry I'm having a hard time putting this into words but I think I gave a good enough explanation of what I'm trying to explain.
The collagen supplement is providing me with high amounts of the specific amino acids needed for joints and connective tissues.
And then from a complete personal experience standpoint and I know this is irrelevant as it's just my experience, adding a collagen supplement with a joint support supplement fish oil and a few other things has made a huge difference in my knees over the past few weeks. The combination of osteobioflex, extra fish oil and collagen protein was the only thing different in the past few weeks and I use those supplements on and off all the time. Bringing them back in after my joint started bothering me showed significant improvements in about 2 weeks. You can take that last part with a grain of salt
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ironviking
The Axe Man Cometh!!
Completely understood and I don't disagree with you. There may be a benefit in taking collagen supplements even with enough protein I just don't see data backing that up....on the other side there is no data saying it is of no benefit. I've actually been using collagen supplements recently as I had a grade 2 interstitial tear in my right brachialis and tore (not completely) the hell out of many tendons in my left arm, biceps and brachialis. Hard to say if it helped or not because I was stacking BPC-157 and TB500 with it along with high doses of vitamin C. I will say after 5 weeks I was able to do rows and curls again. Was it all the supps, a combination of a few, or none that helped - really doesn't matter, I'd take them all again and will continue until I'm back 100% and even then I might stick with them.
An on your last statement - I find it very relevant as it answers the question in my last post -not on a large scale but anecdotal evidence can be very useful.
An on your last statement - I find it very relevant as it answers the question in my last post -not on a large scale but anecdotal evidence can be very useful.
hasnainali
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Collagen peptides are not just a marketing term, but they are definitely overhyped sometimes. Research suggests they may support joints, skin, tendons, and recovery because they provide collagen-related amino acids. I recently read a useful breakdown on Klow Peptide explaining how peptide dosing and recovery peptides actually work. They can help, but they are not miracle supplements.
Smont
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Klow is actually 4 peptides. You see a lot of stuff now because they've given these letter abbreviations and they try to make it seem like new products but this stuff has been around for a long time. Ultimately you want to be taking collagen, all the vitamins and minerals that support collagen production and tissue repair and then adding the peptides.