lol I thought about that. my first xfit coach was a PL/strongman competitor so we had a different approach back then which is probably the only reason I loved xfit so much, my experience wasn't what everyone else grew to know. He had that quote in the bathroom and I always loved it.Love how they put Ripp’s quote with a picture of Roger Estep
It is a good quote! Just wondered if someone thought that was actually a picture of Mark. Who was a good powerlifter, but Rodger was truly elite - legendary. And he did lots of bodybuilding work on top of his max effort work, contrary to Ripp’s programming. Rodger trained under George Frenn, of the OG Westside Barbell of Culver City, CA (that the famous Ohio gym is named after).
Oh probably, I wouldn't doubt it. Mark did display great longevity in strength, IIRC I think he still was pulling 500lbs in his 60s? Of course Louie is another phenomenal display of strength in later years. I love so much of Ripp's stuff. I think anyone will plateau eventually but I still think if you're introducing an absolutely newbie and need to give them the cliffs notes then starting strength is a valid introduction for 99% of people.
As long as I don't miss a dose, 500 test and 150 EQ, I think I originally said I was going to start with 375 test and a hundred EQ but I don't remember, I change my mind so often I honestly don't remember what I said I was going to start at. But I do know that I went from a trt dose, bumped it up to around 300-375 and then bumped it up again right away to 500/150
Yeah man, looking like a serious road map.
I definitely have room to gain weight without getting too out of condition.Yeah man, looking like a serious road map.
Yes it's working, but also, I don't need a AI on test only till I get over about 400+500mg. So being on 500 I don't seem to need much estrogen management anyways
A half a gram of gear isn't much at all, in my opinion anything under a gram is a very modest cycle. Most of my early progress came on about 300 mg of test combined with 300 mg of EQ or masteron, I played around with lots of other off-brand compounds and peptides and sarms and prohormones and everything under the sun. But most of my cycles were about 600 mg. I stayed the same for a very long time, when I hit a gram was when things started to change again so I start all my cycles now around 300 and work up to a gram or 1200. I'm around a lot of steroid users on a fairly regular basis. Most of them run over a gram most of the year. Guys in the men's physique category run a gram and a half to 2 grams cycles.
He for sure does because 300 tren is a wildly unnecessary amount of tren lol. Like, you can do it, but why?
I do not completely disagree with you, and the reasons I do agree are probably the same reasons that you said what you said, but, I'm going to disagree on the 300 tren dose if you're using it solely for physique purposes. Even tho you can literally use 50 to 150 mg of tren per week and get decent results, I've used 70-150mg several times and it absolutely is effective and more effective than any other compound at the same dose. And you can actually Dodge quite a lot of the side effects of that dose, /But.........
My point was mostly to say you shouldn't expect too much if you never venture far past 500 mg, not many people have Lee priests genetics, if he really even Lee did as little as he said, most of us are far from burning the candle too hot tho. I've seen plenty of good blood work on a gram of test, the 2 gram example I gave was a bit extreme. But I also was trying to make a example of how your milligram total doesn't directly reflect your health concerns and compounds matter as well. You can take higher doses of certain compounds for longer periods of time, especially if your on top of monitoring things and taking the appropriate preventative measures. 5 years ago I thought a gram of gear seemed like an insane amount and that it was like if you run a gram of gear you got to be a pro bodybuilder lol. Until I realized 90% of the people around me that I thought I was doing the same thing as them, I was eating baby food, I'm still eating baby food lol. I have no plans to run 2 grams cycles. But I do believe I need to be around a gram for a couple cycles if I want another 15-20lbs with good body composition. We also got to face the reality that if I do gain that 20 lb of extra tissue I'm probably going to have to run a higher Cruise dose to maintain it, lots of ifs going on here because I don't know if I'll ever dedicate myself enough to get that 20 lb (lean 20, I can pop tart and donut my way there lol). But I don't feel I'd be risking too much to do it with good food, proper health supps and a gram or so with gh. 30-40-50-year-old guys like us, we haven't been grinding for 20 years on gear in competition bodybuilding doses. None of us are that one guy who's been on test and tren for the last 10 years, or the who's on a gram all year round. I'm sure there's some people on this forum who do fit the bill and maybe don't say anything but overall I think we are collectively a pretty conservative group. I'm also not trying to say that everything is risk-free and safe because that's not true at all either. There's definitely a risk to reward ratioI’d take that wager - I believe the guy on 300/300 test & tren is going to have bad lipids & heartburn, while the guy on 1.5g test/primo will have trashed lipids too but also have worse phlebotic concerns with his CBC. Although he’s more likely to keep his marriage
Neither of these guys is going to avoid cardiovascular issues when spending majority of their year like this. I know that wasn’t your point, but just a reminder that what people get away with for a while is not the same for longterm considerations. You can do that stuff for a few years, but you are burning the candle.
I see it as a unnecessary higher risk injectable, not tren or SD, it's powerful in lower doses, powerlifting and strong man probably has way more reasons to use it then someone with physique goals. But I also think it's a very versatile compound and even though you don't need it you can still use it in a lot of different scenarios. It's also one of those compounds that you can get more out of a lower dose so I guess if you're on a budget it's a good idea.
My point was mostly to say you shouldn't expect too much if you never venture far past 500 mg, not many people have Lee priests genetics, if he really even Lee did as little as he said, most of us are far from burning the candle too hot tho. I've seen plenty of good blood work on a gram of test, the 2 gram example I gave was a bit extreme. But I also was trying to make a example of how your milligram total doesn't directly reflect your health concerns and compounds matter as well. You can take higher doses of certain compounds for longer periods of time, especially if your on top of monitoring things and taking the appropriate preventative measures. 5 years ago I thought a gram of gear seemed like an insane amount and that it was like if you run a gram of gear you got to be a pro bodybuilder lol. Until I realized 90% of the people around me that I thought I was doing the same thing as them, I was eating baby food, I'm still eating baby food lol. I have no plans to run 2 grams cycles. But I do believe I need to be around a gram for a couple cycles if I want another 15-20lbs with good body composition. We also got to face the reality that if I do gain that 20 lb of extra tissue I'm probably going to have to run a higher Cruise dose to maintain it, lots of ifs going on here because I don't know if I'll ever dedicate myself enough to get that 20 lb (lean 20, I can pop tart and donut my way there lol). But I don't feel I'd be risking too much to do it with good food, proper health supps and a gram or so with gh. 30-40-50-year-old guys like us, we haven't been grinding for 20 years on gear in competition bodybuilding doses. None of us are that one guy who's been on test and tren for the last 10 years, or the who's on a gram all year round. I'm sure there's some people on this forum who do fit the bill and maybe don't say anything but overall I think we are collectively a pretty conservative group. I'm also not trying to say that everything is risk-free and safe because that's not true at all either. There's definitely a risk to reward ratio
I'm just rambling now sorry
I agree with all of this. I really love how I feel on it, like Dbol without the gut or liver issues.
I'd imagine you could run 10mg on every cruise with no issues. I used 30mg a week instead of TRT for a few months one time, and to be perfectly honest, I didn't notice any difference between 30 mg of trest and 150 test E. When I transition from one to the other it was completely smooth and I don't remember anything changing to the point where I really felt like I could probably stay on this forever. I won't, I know it cannot replace testosterone in the Long haul, put in a pinch I would do that again. Or even if I decided I wanted to run a no testosterone cycle, I would probably use trest in place, simply because I know that for me it'll do what it needs to do. I think I've mentioned it before but one of my buddies does trestolone undecanoate and EQ or test undecanoate (or whatever the long Esther in nebido is) but the main reason he does this is because he hates taking shots and he travels a lot, go take a 5 ml shot and then not take another one for 2 weeks.
(dude has stupid grip strength and massive hands and he did a farmer's walk with 255 in each hand today), twice lolI’m curious to how this test/trest supercruise is going to be when you finish.
Tren is very erythropoietic. 100mg a week alongside 200 test for 3 weeks had me at 54% hct while 500 test and 200 mast had me at 53% after 8 weeks.I’d take that wager - I believe the guy on 300/300 test & tren is going to have bad lipids & heartburn, while the guy on 1.5g test/primo will have trashed lipids too but also have worse phlebotic concerns with his CBC. Although he’s more likely to keep his marriage
Neither of these guys is going to avoid cardiovascular issues when spending majority of their year like this. I know that wasn’t your point, but just a reminder that what people get away with for a while is not the same for longterm considerations. You can do that stuff for a few years, but you are burning the candle.
Leo and Longevity had a video saying Nasser was a 5g test, several grams of anabolics plus huge Anadrol dose guy for over 10g. No surprise his kidneys failed.
I've never personally seen that as an issue for anyone with tren
These extreme outliers probably don't care about limits
. I wonder what you feel like on that much gear. I'm sure he worked up to it over the years. But imagine for the next 12 weeks you had to pin 3-4ml per day and 150anadrol per day, how do you think that would feel 
. Probably bloated, headaches around the clock, nauseous as all hell. I also imagine the inflammation from 3-4ml of oil every single day would be significant.That’s some Rich Piana stuff right there!These extreme outliers probably don't care about limits
Damn that sucks, luckily my guy has always been good, in the past 3 years I haven't had any issues. My guy uses ultra-filtered MCT oil with BA and BB for most of his stuff. I've yet to try his primo or DHB but everything else has been good to me. I will say that if I accidentally go too shallow and put 1ml sub q on accident, it hurts for a day or 2, how much are you paying for the pharma test out of curiosity? My guys pharma test is always 3x the price of ugl
Nice, now that’s a tasty looking meal.
You home brewing your first cycle is wild
. I know how to do it on paper but I've never actually produced anything. Every year I say I'm going to have one of my buddies come down and do a batch with me and we just never do it, and it's usually my fault. Cuz I hate making plans with people lol
I missed this post, I don't think even rich was as crazy lol. He has some wild stories tho.
I think that's what rich was talking about when he was explaining why he knew he had to quit pursuing actual competitive bodybuilding. He laid out a massive cycle that was similar to the one you said, and he was saying something like ......... "Had to go look up the contest"
That's a right proper meal!
Yeah why I went that way is weird, but at the time i didnt have connections, couldnt source pharmaceutical grade testosterone and thought its a better idea if i control at least some variables, carrier oil and additives. That way at least i knew i wasnt injecting ethyl oleate and similar stuff.You home brewing your first cycle is wild
Looking swole.Ok, soooooooo ...........
I may or may not have continued to take the dbol, 50 mg one day, and 25 mg the following 3 days,
I gained 11 pounds since Saturday
Honestly, it's probably From a combination of things, I was on the road for 2 days, drove a little over 700miles, I ate out for every meal and kept the car full of RTD shakes and granola bars. Even though I don't look like a water balloon I can definitely see my face is a little more filled out than usual and I look puffy in my mid section.Looking swole.
, I actually kinda like it.
Looks like you’ve got enough jet fuel to take it to another level.Well, I guess it's time push
If the dbol treats me like I remember, and I can avoid the shoulder and back acne (which hasn't been a problem for me in years, I don't think I've had a breakout from a cycle in over 5 years) but if it works like it used to which it appears to already be doing, I should be able to continue gaining weight for another 10 to 15 days and then everything will level off again. I'm actually going to try not to push my food too much harder so I don't get all excessively bloated and high blood pressure.Looks like you’ve got enough jet fuel to take it to another level.
Interested in seeing how the next couple of weeks goes then. I mean you can definitely see a difference in just these first few days, so hopefully you won’t get too many sides over the next few weeks and can ride it out. Another thing I like about Dbol, besides the full rounded muscles is it’s a feel good steroid too. But unfortunately for me it’s another oral that I avoid mainly because of gut issues that start within the first couple of weeks.