The Biggest Smont ever! 🤔 Lets find out

[Smont]

i remember sparring with a guy who was my weight but head shorter (bjj). We were a good "couple" as everybody else was lighter than us and it was tough. It was 50:50 usually but the strength he had was insane he wasnpretty much the only guy i couldnt "muscle" whereas he could throw me around easily (we were both 240-245 lbs). We were 21 and he had a huge intimidating beard

Btw managed to get my hands on some primobolan, likely the last reserves as the lab didnt even advertise it nor masteron for the last 6 months or so.

So am gonna practice what I preach and run what i described above, a test cycle with primo as an anabolic ancillary. Should be enough for 3 years for what I am planning to do with it. So far only test @ 280 a week and 2 iu gh is insane after being off everything for 5 months, i kid you not my incline for example went from 7 to 12 reps in 2 weeks at the same weight. The power of test when you have low test
Even 2 iu gh is volumizing me like crazy. In the beginning i thought its little weaker compared to 20mg mk 677 a day but now i like it so much more. Fat loss is noticeable in the mid section after 2 weeks, no hunger, no nipple discharge, no occasional anxiety spikes like on mk. I am gonna stay at 2 iu i dont feel the need at all to go higher.

Nice dude , I played around with GH a lot last year. If my source hadn't ran dry I would have probably stayed on a couple of units all year round. Somewhere around 5-6 units on cycle is where I really started to notice the benefits, eventually I realized doing 5 units 4x week at night on my training days was still just as effective as 5 units daily. After being on it for about a month or so I started progressing much faster then usual, lifts didn't skyrocket but more reps and my appearance was more favorable then without it. Definitely a cosmetic effect when your on 5+ units and a good amount of testosterone. It was eye opening to be honest.

 

[CroLifter]

I am only doing it so i can burn fat on maintenance calories but i am getting recovery and sleep benefits obviously. So far 2 iu is enough for that. I gained about 5 lbs of water and glycogen so i am 240 now and will roughly maintain this but want to lean out, nothing crazy, 12-14 % , started at 18 but now i am already leaner 2 weeks visually even with extra water. Bp is actually a little better at 120/70 whereas before cycle was 128-130/78-80. Weird. Testosterone vasodilation maybe? We ll see i keep an eye on bp for sure.

Now the problem is i dont think i will ever want to run a cycle without it as its really a low side effect compound if dosed conservatively and unlike anabolics it wont nudge bloodwork.
Judging by tables taking 2iu puts me at where roughly an average 20 yo would be, considering i dose in the morning and still get a pulse or so during sleep. So a natural dose, increased lipolysis and improved recovery, feeling more energetic. Whats there not to like?

But I do so far feel that due to administration nature, a direct pulse, a spike whatever, it is superior for fat burning to secretagogues or to a similar natural gh level.

Studies show roughly 16 hours post injection of 5 iu first natural pulse is noted, so i would advise if someone is taking a low dose like 2 iu and is not 50+ where gh production is basically nil to take the dose in the morning.

 

[Smont]

I am only doing it so i can burn fat on maintenance calories but i am getting recovery and sleep benefits obviously. So far 2 iu is enough for that. I gained about 5 lbs of water and glycogen so i am 240 now and will roughly maintain this but want to lean out, nothing crazy, 12-14 % , started at 18 but now i am already leaner 2 weeks visually even with extra water. Bp is actually a little better at 120/70 whereas before cycle was 128-130/78-80. Weird. Testosterone vasodilation maybe? We ll see i keep an eye on bp for sure.

Now the problem is i dont think i will ever want to run a cycle without it as its really a low side effect compound if dosed conservatively and unlike anabolics it wont nudge bloodwork.
Judging by tables taking 2iu puts me at where roughly an average 20 yo would be, considering i dose in the morning and still get a pulse or so during sleep. So a natural dose, increased lipolysis and improved recovery, feeling more energetic. Whats there not to like?

But I do so far feel that due to administration nature, a direct pulse, a spike whatever, it is superior for fat burning to secretagogues or to a similar natural gh level.

Studies show roughly 16 hours post injection of 5 iu first natural pulse is noted, so i would advise if someone is taking a low dose like 2 iu and is not 50+ where gh production is basically nil to take the dose in the morning.

All the research shows Day time growth hormone dosing creates a much higher risk to develop diabetes. I played around with split doses and daytime doses and the earlier the dose and the more frequent the dose, the higher my fasted glucose was. I'm sticking with 1 dose at night, especially when I'm bulking. Dieting to get shredded id probably go morning with fasted cardio and post workout at night still. I ended up using 1000mg of metformin per day with it. I actually firmly believe there's positive synergy with metformin and HGH if your on steroids.

 

[CroLifter]

All the research shows Day time growth hormone dosing creates a much higher risk to develop diabetes. I played around with split doses and daytime doses and the earlier the dose and the more frequent the dose, the higher my fasted glucose was. I'm sticking with 1 dose at night, especially when I'm bulking. Dieting to get shredded id probably go morning with fasted cardio and post workout at night still. I ended up using 1000mg of metformin per day with it. I actually firmly believe there's positive synergy with metformin and HGH if your on steroids.

I try to avoid high gi foods up to 4-5 hours post shot. I will eat cottage cheese right around my shot and then 4-5 hours later 1st carb heavier meal. Then train about 4-5 hours later in the evening.

Eat a good sized carb meal the evening before to maximise glycogen stores.



Its a tradeoff. If i inject at night i feel with 2 iu i get just above my natural baseline and this way its additive. I did start out injecting at night and its too early to say which schedule is more effective but so far morning shots made a noticeable difference in my mid section appearancenin couple of weeks.

Also for some reason when dosing at night i would wake up 2-3 hours post shot sweaty. It cranks up my metabolism.

But...if i used 4+ iu i would do a bolus shot before bed.

 

[Hyde]

Morning GH = bias towards fat loss
Nighttime = recovery bias

I used it in the morning for a month and saw obvious and disconcerting rise in fasted glucose right away, even as I was getting leaner and lighter.

 

[Smont]

I won't get too into this topic, because it's controversial. But 52 -55 is fine by Many Dr. Now a day. Especially if your a athlete, it's performance enhancing to have slightly high hematocrit. I don't even blink if I'm under 55. And the last Dr. I used for bloods was on the same page as me. Just some food for thought

View attachment 260194

Some older Dr. Want it no higher then 50.

This post was for a different thread

 

[Smont]

Morning GH = bias towards fat loss
Nighttime = recovery bias

I used it in the morning for a month and saw obvious and disconcerting rise in fasted glucose right away, even as I was getting leaner and lighter.

I was pretty lean last summer when it was happening to me. It probably doesn't help that I eat 400+ GM of carbs most days. I wonder what would have happened if I was on GH when I was doing all the sugar/simple carbs diet

 

[CroLifter]

Morning GH = bias towards fat loss
Nighttime = recovery bias

I used it in the morning for a month and saw obvious and disconcerting rise in fasted glucose right away, even as I was getting leaner and lighter.

I started also at night and switched to morning and started seeing increased fat loss. But yeah its a struggle trying to balance between eating low carb while the gh is working and eating enough carbs to fuel your workouts and progress.

I just dont find it ideal to be taking a low essentially a replacement dose at night and therefore blunting your own release when you could make it additive. Its a different story if one is taking 4+ iu which is blatantly above natural.

Correct me if i am wrong but i strongly feel the total area under the curve gh exposure is higher with AM dosing (small 2 iu dose).


PS: I am not doubting the more negative effcpect of am dosing on blood glucose at all. I did test on mk677 which is long acting and had blood sugar (fasting) levels at the top of the reference. But that was when I was taking only mk677, the good news is any dose of test (even 125mg a week) lowers that.


With the new NGENLA being prescribed to children I am wondering how much even doctors are paying attention to this issue.

 

[Hyde]

I started also at night and switched to morning and started seeing increased fat loss. But yeah its a struggle trying to balance between eating low carb while the gh is working and eating enough carbs to fuel your workouts and progress.

I just dont find it ideal to be taking a low essentially a replacement dose at night and therefore blunting your own release when you could make it additive. Its a different story if one is taking 4+ iu which is blatantly above natural.

Correct me if i am wrong but i strongly feel the total area under the curve gh exposure is higher with AM dosing (small 2 iu dose).


PS: I am not doubting the more negative effcpect of am dosing on blood glucose at all. I did test on mk677 which is long acting and had blood sugar (fasting) levels at the top of the reference. But that was when I was taking only mk677, the good news is any dose of test (even 125mg a week) lowers that.


With the new NGENLA being prescribed to children I am wondering how much even doctors are paying attention to this issue.

Well I don’t think anyone taking GH is worried about area under the curve - you can just add more GH if you desired more total exposure.

We’re just pointing out a phenomenon we noticed to make sure you’re aware of it - if you’re getting the results you want and happy with glucose levels, no worries. You’re not going to become diabetic on several months of modest GH exposure regardless. Taking it morning makes sense for your desire.

Lipolysis actually occurs at 1.5iu according to Dr Todd Lee, in case you ever need to stretch your vials.

Also, if you are going to have a big cheat meal (and therefore it won’t be a fatloss day anyway with the surplus), taking your GH right before the meal greatly inhibits fat storage. Just a fun trick.

 

[Smont]

I started also at night and switched to morning and started seeing increased fat loss. But yeah its a struggle trying to balance between eating low carb while the gh is working and eating enough carbs to fuel your workouts and progress.

I just dont find it ideal to be taking a low essentially a replacement dose at night and therefore blunting your own release when you could make it additive. Its a different story if one is taking 4+ iu which is blatantly above natural.

Correct me if i am wrong but i strongly feel the total area under the curve gh exposure is higher with AM dosing (small 2 iu dose).


PS: I am not doubting the more negative effcpect of am dosing on blood glucose at all. I did test on mk677 which is long acting and had blood sugar (fasting) levels at the top of the reference. But that was when I was taking only mk677, the good news is any dose of test (even 125mg a week) lowers that.


With the new NGENLA being prescribed to children I am wondering how much even doctors are paying attention to this issue.

I just wanted to tell you that even taking it in the morning you will still blunt your natural release at night. You can't take exogenous HGH on a regular basis without without blunting your natural production. Even a replacement dose

 

[Smont]

This should be around 90gm of protein and 200 carbs

 

[Smont]

Ended up just deadlifting and doing chins today. 7 sets. Deadlift I worked up working 375 and 405 for 3's and backed off to 315x10, and 10 chins at a time in-between my working sets

 

[Hyde]

I just wanted to tell you that even taking it in the morning you will still blunt your natural release at night. You can't take exogenous HGH on a regular basis without without blunting your natural production. Even a replacement dose

And to add to this, 2iu is higher even than a natural amount for someone in their 20s, so it’s always going to be a net positive regardless.

 

[Smont]

If I haven't said it already, I'm pretty sure my right knee issues are just arthritis. It seems like after warming it up I can still get a full range of motion but it's particularly sore on the inner portion of the knee when dragging my foot from the outside into the center. Meaning if I was facing squared up and my feet wider than shoulder width apart and I tried to drag one foot back into the center it's a lot of pain in the inner knee. It feels like it would be very easy to tear. At the same time, as long as I maintain position I can do most exercises. I'm going to start my standing bird dogs again and work the Bulgarian split squats back in and use those to regain some knee stability.

The past week I've been loading up on joint support with a mens 50+ multi, a high quality triple omega and osteo bioflex. I'm going to add collagen and BPC + TB 500 this week and after I finish the TB 500 il start 5 units of GH every night or every other night. (Assuming I get the rest of my GH by then)

I've also really cleaned up the diet. Those past few meals I posted are probably the most unhealthy meals I've eaten in the past week, and there's nothing really unhealthy about them they're just super high calorie. I've cut out all the junk food with the exception of a couple bowls of cereal to get extra carbs and I found a couple of tasty protein bars at Aldi, I've been using them for my sweet tooth cravings. Not every day tho. Lots of fresh fruit too, aside from the red meat, I'm trying to Incorporated ton of anti-inflammatory foods.

 

[Smont]

Obviously this meat haul isn't anti-inflammatory lol. But I'm getting a lot of apples, applesauce, kiwi, watermelon, grapes, and some beans, onions peppers and green veggies.

The sausage is for a one-off meal, the bulk of the diet is chicken and ground turkey and lean pork. I've been eating four steaks a week on average and some whole eggs. I haven't been doing any of the breakfast sausages this week and cut out bacon. Can I go for coffee with collagen protein Greek yogurt granola and fruit for breakfast. Couple of eggs if I need to boost up the protein content

Does anyone use those collagen coffee creamers and if so do you have a brand you like? I'm hoping not to change the flavor of the coffee too much but I thought that might be a good way to get some extra collagen in every morning.

Maybe something like this

 

[Smont]

Everyone see the assassination attempt at whatever that dinner party was ( I don't follow politics too closely) but apparently the guys brother lives a couple streets away from me ( my town is pretty small, every street's only a couple streets away lol) and alerted the police about his brothers manifesto. Wild stuff

 

[sammpedd88]

Everyone see the assassination attempt at whatever that dinner party was ( I don't follow politics too closely) but apparently the guys brother lives a couple streets away from me ( my town is pretty small, every street's only a couple streets away lol) and alerted the police about his brothers manifesto. Wild stuff

Crazy for sure! Whether you’re a Trump supporter or not you gotta admit no president in modern times has had more assassination attempts than him!

 

[CroLifter]

Whats your opinion on ed vs eod gh protocol? 2x the dose on eod obviously.

 

[Smont]

Whats your opinion on ed vs eod gh protocol? 2x the dose on eod obviously.

When I went from 5 iu daily to 5 iu EOD (it was actually 4x week, Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday) I didn't notice a difference. So I didn't feel like I needed to double the dose.

In a medical setting if you're getting high blood sugar they tell you to go to every other Day dosing but you maintain the same dose not double it. So if you're in AIDS patient taking 18 units per day but experiencing high blood sugar you would take 18 units every other day. Apparently the igf levels stay elevated for a couple of days and the difference is fairly insignificant.

I am by no means an expert on this, I am just regurgitating information I've learned from other outlets and sharing a little bit of my personal experience

 

[CroLifter]

I think for fat loss lower dose (at least 1.5 iu) ed is optimal but i still like to do 5 on/2 off simply to stretch the vial to one/week. I heard about the 10 iu 3x week dosing and was curious but just seems excessive to me and being aimed at those seeking muscle growth.

 

[Smont]

I think for fat loss lower dose (at least 1.5 iu) ed is optimal but i still like to do 5 on/2 off simply to stretch the vial to one/week. I heard about the 10 iu 3x week dosing and was curious but just seems excessive to me and being aimed at those seeking muscle growth.

I absolutely would say the 10 units 3 times a week is definitely aimed at muscle growth, anything over three units a day is probably aimed at muscle growth.

Back in the day people would say that five on two off was just to save money and with some of the stuff we know now I would disagree because if igf-1 levels stay elevated for an extra day or two, I think taking it every day might be wasting money. If you've been doing one or two units in the morning 5 days on 2 days off and you're not having any issues controlling your blood sugar I would just keep on doing it, as a precautionary measure you could always go low carb on the off days as well. Or use metformin with your high carb meals on the weekdays, when you're on testosterone and HGH she don't really have to worry about metformin killing your gains. There's so many ways to skin the proverbial cat

 

[Smont]

What else are you using for fat loss? HGH definitely helps but I wouldn't say it's a crazy amazing fat burner, I'm assuming you've got a couple other things in there as well? If not I have a few suggestions that might help you. Mitoburn is great as a non-stem burner, berberine or metformin with your higher carb meals and cheat meals, not to mention if you get over a thousand milligrams of either one of those per day it does blunt your appetite a little bit. I can't use clenbuterol because I get cramping issues, but I think a low dose of 20 to 40 micrograms a day will also be doing more in the background than most over-the-counter stimulant burners, and most people can handle 40 micrograms of clen just fine.

 

[Smont]

If you don't mind the slow burn, SLU is definitely on my list.

Last summer while on my cycle I was always using HGH metformin and SLU

 

[Smont]

I'm going to start getting more detailed with my workouts but I did shoulders and legs again today I started out with some standing bird dogs and some knee rehab banded exercises. I did a couple sets of Bulgarian split squats with my heavy overhead seated press, follow that up with supersets of dumbbell shoulder press and hack squats, follow that up with a behind the neck press superset with leg press in the final superset was cable press Downs with side lateral raises. I don't know why I did everything as a superset, probably because I couldn't lift heavy for legs and other than my initial heavy presses the rest of my shoulder work isn't very heavy so I just thought I'd get my heart rate up and kill two birds with one stone.

Time to eat!

 

[Smont]

all the leftover steak, chicken and beans from the last meal prep day, over rice. Nothing fancy.

 

[CroLifter]

What else are you using for fat loss? HGH definitely helps but I wouldn't say it's a crazy amazing fat burner, I'm assuming you've got a couple other things in there as well? If not I have a few suggestions that might help you. Mitoburn is great as a non-stem burner, berberine or metformin with your higher carb meals and cheat meals, not to mention if you get over a thousand milligrams of either one of those per day it does blunt your appetite a little bit. I can't use clenbuterol because I get cramping issues, but I think a low dose of 20 to 40 micrograms a day will also be doing more in the background than most over-the-counter stimulant burners, and most people can handle 40 micrograms of clen just fine.

i am just using hgh and test. I mean the obvious 1st thing would be to drop to a substantial caloric deficit, but I am not looking to get very lean and already on maintenance calories my midsection is noticeably tighter and arms are a lot veinier. This is coming from being off everything for 5 months so throwing anything in makes a difference.


The idea is just to clean up my physique as i got disgusted with fat gain before pushing for the bigger bench and squat numbers. Judging visually i want about 2% more bodyfat off of me. I just want my abs and arm veins and no flab around the chest, and for me thats already very noticeable at 12%.


I somehow dont like the look on me when i am too lean as i am never able to build enough muscle to my liking beforehand. Too stringy. Even at 230 (6'5). 3 years ago i cut down to 9% (was 228 i believe?) and didnt like how my traps got flat, arms stringy, chest and back narrow.

So ill rather have some bf but not look like a chicken.

 

[Smont]

i am just using hgh and test. I mean the obvious 1st thing would be to drop to a substantial caloric deficit, but I am not looking to get very lean and already on maintenance calories my midsection is noticeably tighter and arms are a lot veinier. This is coming from being off everything for 5 months so throwing anything in makes a difference.


The idea is just to clean up my physique as i got disgusted with fat gain before pushing for the bigger bench and squat numbers. Judging visually i want about 2% more bodyfat off of me. I just want my abs and arm veins and no flab around the chest, and for me thats already very noticeable at 12%.


I somehow dont like the look on me when i am too lean as i am never able to build enough muscle to my liking beforehand. Too stringy. Even at 230 (6'5). 3 years ago i cut down to 9% (was 228 i believe?) and didnt like how my traps got flat, arms stringy, chest and back narrow.

So ill rather have some bf but not look like a chicken.

Ooooooo your 6'5, that's a lot of frame to fill out! I'm just a average height Manlet, 5'9, maybe 5'10 with my work boots lol. 200lbs looks big when your under 6ft lol.

 

[Dustin07]

View attachment 260340 all the leftover steak, chicken and beans from the last meal prep day, over rice. Nothing fancy.

sometimes I like to dice up every ounce of leftover meat I can find in the fridge then just dump it all in the fry pan with a couple eggs to bind it all together lol

 

[Smont]

sometimes I like to dice up every ounce of leftover meat I can find in the fridge then just dump it all in the fry pan with a couple eggs to bind it all together lol

I've done similar, I don't mind throwing out vegetables and rice but I hate throwing out my protein sources

 

[Dustin07]

but I hate throwing out my protein sources

cardinal sin my house!

 

[Hyde]

200lbs looks big when your under 6ft lol.

But does it, really??

Not with our level of dysmorphia it doesn’t

 

[Smont]

But does it, really??

Not with our level of dysmorphia it doesn’t

Let me correct that, lots of people tell me that I look pretty big and jacked and they usually think I weigh 20 lb more than I do, but I see a little a medium sized slightly chubby guy in the mirror lol

 

[Dustin07]

when I'm over 200lbs I think I look leaner than I am and when I'm in the 180s I think I look fatter than I am

the only silver lining to any of it is when I'm walking through downtown Tacoma I never feel like an easy target.

 

[CroLifter]

But does it, really??

Not with our level of dysmorphia it doesn’t

I hereby declare that it doesn't


But @Smont if you are able to bench 405 than i also declare that you are a unit.

My goals for now is 225x 10 / 275 x3 on the incline. Nailed 225 x 4 so just short of my short term goal of 225x5.

Zerchers are going up at 315 x 7 but i am running into the problem as i try to push towards very low reps. I dont feel like my spine will hold up, i have plenty leg strength, but i always think about capping it somewhere between 150-160kg (about 350?? ) and building up the reps. And the back squat is even worse pressure in the spine.
Something adjusts and tweaks in the back when i go towards 150kg, no pain, its just that i dont feel comfortable.

And 3 plates per side already looks cool on the zercher, manhandling the weight. 4 plates would likely be end all be all for my frame, but i would need to build up the support musculature a lot.


PS: i think i worded myself perhaps incorrectly in the previous post. I am not really that concerned about abs, but i dont like anything hanging, loose, you catch my drift. When that is gone i rather push the size and strength!

 

[Smont]

when I'm over 200lbs I think I look leaner than I am and when I'm in the 180s I think I look fatter than I am

the only silver lining to any of it is when I'm walking through downtown Tacoma I never feel like an easy target.

One of my main reasons for being in shape is to maintain my ability tobe athletic, strong, fight, and look scary as I get older lol. When I go out of town, I bring clothes that makes me look bigger, or that accentuates my shoulder width. I mean my shoulders fill out the clothes, but certain clothes just make you appear bigger. I have a habit of sizing up the room when I go somewhere (mind you I have zero intentions of problems, I just always need to be prepared. When I put on dress shoes, I always check to see what kind of grip they have, I'm not wearing anything I can't grip the ground with. I brought that up in the boxing gym once and a couple guys were laughing and the owner (78 years old) buts in and says....... I don't wear anything I can't fight in

It's comforting being able to walk down the street looking scary and being capable, most ppl don't want that smoke. They rather go after someone else

 

[Smont]

I hereby declare that it doesn't


But @Smont if you are able to bench 405 than i also declare that you are a unit.

My goals for now is 225x 10 / 275 x3 on the incline. Nailed 225 x 4 so just short of my short term goal of 225x5.

Zerchers are going up at 315 x 7 but i am running into the problem as i try to push towards very low reps. I dont feel like my spine will hold up, i have plenty leg strength, but i always think about capping it somewhere between 150-160kg (about 350?? ) and building up the reps. And the back squat is even worse pressure in the spine.

Those are good numbers;on bench, your arms have a long distance to travel with the bar. I only have one buddy who lifts that's big like you. He's 6'7 and in the 260's. A 315x1 is his best bench ever and it looks so much more challenging then my range of motion is.

That 315x7 zurcher is crazy good tho. I've done 315x3 and 325x1 but I can't breathe when I do them. Anything over about 200lbs I can only get as many reps as how long I can hold my breath allows me to

 

[CroLifter]

Those are good numbers;on bench, your arms have a long distance to travel with the bar. I only have one buddy who lifts that's big like you. He's 6'7 and in the 260's. A 315x1 is his best bench ever and it looks so much more challenging then my range of motion is.

That 315x7 zurcher is crazy good tho. I've done 315x3 and 325x1 but I can't breathe when I do them. Anything over about 200lbs I can only get as many reps as how long I can hold my breath allows me to

The breathing sucks, but it is what it is!

I wouldnt replace the back squat with the zercher if you dont have problems with the back squat though. You will be able to do more weight anyway. I dont know your reasoning for doing zerchers but mine is simply that i can progress more easily and the fact that the rack with the safeties is usually taken and i work out alone.
I dropped 140kg once hahah but no big deal, just let it go. On the back squat, i am in trouble.

And sure as hell it looks cool af.



There is this strong aussie guy who explains how to breathe on zerchers. You basically breathe in as you go down (with the bar, obviously...) as it releases some of the pressure. I think his best is around 260kg, i cant remember his name.

 

[Dustin07]

One of my main reasons for being in shape is to maintain my ability tobe athletic, strong, fight, and look scary as I get older lol. When I go out of town, I bring clothes that makes me look bigger, or that accentuates my shoulder width. I mean my shoulders fill out the clothes, but certain clothes just make you appear bigger.

I tend to be the same way, when I'm fatter I can throw on a hoodie and my triceps and shoulders still pop without me looking fat but when I'm lean and don't have a belly to hide i wear shirts that seem to make my pecs look bigger. I subscribe to the idea of "act as if". now, should **** go down, you still gotta find your way out of a situation, but acting as if can definitely help avoid the situation entirely.

It's comforting being able to walk down the street looking scary and being capable, most ppl don't want that smoke. They rather go after someone else

totally agree. its like a 6th sense now days when I'm walking through some more ghetto type areas, I'm always eyeballing everyone to see who might be a problem then I see the other people around me and realize I'm not the low hanging fruit. still gotta keep your wits about you in the city, but less to worry about when you look like a gymrat. I'm not even big, but big enough. Its been a long time since someone gave me a second look during a disagreement.

also I'm kinda an asshole so if someone does flip me **** they quickly wonder what flavor of crazy I might be and if I'm worth the effort lol.

 

[Smont]

The breathing sucks, but it is what it is!

I wouldnt replace the back squat with the zercher if you dont have problems with the back squat though. You will be able to do more weight anyway. I dont know your reasoning for doing zerchers but mine is simply that i can progress more easily and the fact that the rack with the safeties is usually taken and i work out alone.
I dropped 140kg once hahah but no big deal, just let it go. On the back squat, i am in trouble.

And sure as hell it looks cool af.



There is this strong aussie guy who explains how to breathe on zerchers. You basically breathe in as you go down (with the bar, obviously...) as it releases some of the pressure. I think his best is around 260kg, i cant remember his name.

I do my zerchers from the floor, I deadlift it, set it on my thighs and scoop it up. Sometimes I do it for reps and sometimes with lighter weights I walk it across the room. My ultimate goal is 405 from the floor.

Why do I do them you ask, as @Hyde would say, to make me harder to kill

I brought this up a few months ago but my reason for doing them is so I can rip a human being off the ground and throw them across the room lol. I figure if I can zercher 405 from the floor then ripping a 200 lb person out of their seat should be no problem lol

 

[Smont]

The breathing sucks, but it is what it is!

I wouldnt replace the back squat with the zercher if you dont have problems with the back squat though. You will be able to do more weight anyway. I dont know your reasoning for doing zerchers but mine is simply that i can progress more easily and the fact that the rack with the safeties is usually taken and i work out alone.
I dropped 140kg once hahah but no big deal, just let it go. On the back squat, i am in trouble.

And sure as hell it looks cool af.



There is this strong aussie guy who explains how to breathe on zerchers. You basically breathe in as you go down (with the bar, obviously...) as it releases some of the pressure. I think his best is around 260kg, i cant remember his name.

Do you know what the Aussie guy's name is because you're the second or third person who's told me to look up some Australian strength coach

 

[CroLifter]

Do you know what the Aussie guy's name is because you're the second or third person who's told me to look up some Australian strength coach

Here you go.


There is another guy, bald, but i had this guy in mind.

282kg is his zercher pr.

 

[Smont]

Thanks dude

 

[Hyde]

Here you go.


There is another guy, bald, but i had this guy in mind.

282kg is his zercher pr.

Rhyss Keane is one of the best raw 140kg/308lb class powerlifters ever. His coach is the other bald guy mentioned, The Australian Strength Coach (Sebastian Oreb, also an elite powerlifter, who also coaches Thor, the best deadlifter in history).

Rhyss has pulled 900 in the gym, btw. Guy is just built for conventional with long arms, which makes his 584lb/265kg bench that much more impressive.

@Smont he’s the one who wrote that program with the Zerchers I sent you.

 

[Dustin07]

Why do I do them you ask, as @Hyde would say, to make me harder to kill

what more can a man ask for?

 

[Hyde]

what more can a man ask for?

View attachment 260360

Love how they put Ripp’s quote with a picture of Roger Estep

 

[Smont]

what more can a man ask for?

View attachment 260360

I love that

 

[Smont]

Rhyss Keane is one of the best raw 140kg/308lb class powerlifters ever. His coach is the other bald guy mentioned, The Australian Strength Coach (Sebastian Oreb, also an elite powerlifter, who also coaches Thor, the best deadlifter in history).

Rhyss has pulled 900 in the gym, btw. Guy is just built for conventional with long arms, which makes his 584lb/265kg bench that much more impressive.

@Smont he’s the one who wrote that program with the Zerchers I sent you.


View attachment 260359

Ooooooooooooooooo ****, I didn't realize that. I was looking at that God killer program the other day. I'm going to put back related stuff with some of the lower days and make it fit my needs. Even though my knee is wonky, I can zurcher and traditional deadlift still without issues as long as my stance isn't too wide. (Aside from arthritis, I'm 99% sure I have a torn medial meniscus or a badly strained medial ligament on the right knee. ) I'm going to work on my knees like I did my shoulders a few years back. If I can rehab them even 50% as good as I did my shoulders il be stoked. I don't know if you guys remember how much I used to complain about my shoulders hurting but they don't bother me that much anymore. Now it's just the occasional ache or strain or something feels like it might be slightly off but temporary. No more aching throbbing pain that doesn't go away or not being able to sleep from not being able to get into any kind of comfortable position

 

[Smont]

Starting the GH and BPC /TB
Still using j147 and nebivolol every morning @ 10mg/5mg
I reconstituted some IGF lr3 for pre workout (I got 4 bottles I'm gonna do 100-200mcg 3x week pre workout. Yes dose seems high but I actually like the stuff at at higher doses with a bunch of carbs.

Cycle is now starting to show its face, il be ramping up my doses in a week or 2 and riding them for 6-8-10 weeks before making more adjustments. I'm still hoping I can get my hands on some Primo and swap it in for the low dose EQ.

So far no need for estrogen control more then the tiny amount of eq I'm using and no sides, sex drive (the want) is not super high, but function is exceptionally good right now to the point where I'm doing it even when I don't feel like do it just because I don't want to waste it . Every morning she's been getting railed to the point she wants a day off for recovery

 

[gphagan1]

Starting the GH and BPC /TB
Still using j147 and nebivolol every morning @ 10mg/5mg
I reconstituted some IGF lr3 for pre workout (I got 4 bottles I'm gonna do 100-200mcg 3x week pre workout. Yes dose seems high but I actually like the stuff at at higher doses with a bunch of carbs.

Cycle is now starting to show its face, il be ramping up my doses in a week or 2 and riding them for 6-8-10 weeks before making more adjustments. I'm still hoping I can get my hands on some Primo and swap it in for the low dose EQ.

So far no need for estrogen control more then the tiny amount of eq I'm using and no sides, sex drive (the want) is not super high, but function is exceptionally good right now to the point where I'm doing it even when I don't feel like do it just because I don't want to waste it . Every morning she's been getting railed to the point she wants a day off for recovery

You know you’re rolling when your lady wants a rest day.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah your shoulders used to really bother you; you definitely got them healthier.

What are the androgen doses currently again? I believe you just started them the other week or so?