Deca and test vs higher test, bp and water retention

[CroLifter]

Hey everybody,
So i am about to run a recomp cycle where I originally thought about running 350 test and 2.5 iu gh dialy, with 20 var daily last 4 weeks. However, since I can get pharmaceutical grade deca and am already a bit on the fence about running more than 250-300 test as I get bad moonface and bp increase with anything over 250 test, another idea is 200 test with 150 deca as far as injectables go.

As I never ran deca and dont know how bad it is on the blood pressure and water retention I would like to ask which option would hold less water and be less likely to cause increase in blood pressure? Its a bit of mix as far as experiences go, some get huge bloat off of deca, some say it on its own is pretty dry.

Aware of potential issues regarding deca so ready to have some mast on hand and start it at low dose. Usually as low as 100mg was enough with 300 test to really dry out the cycle.

6'5 230lbs 18-19%bf, things got out of hand as I was pressing on to gain strength while being off everything for 6 months so bf increased quite bit.

 

[ReformedNerd]

From my experience man avoid drugs with issues you already know you have.

If you know Test bloats you badly why take another drug also known for this? Add something that doesn't affect what you're prone to.

 

[Smont]

The deca will usually amplify the estrogen side effects you get from testosterone. If I were you, I'd use EQ or Primo as your second drug. Both of them manage estrogen pretty well and should allow you to even run your testosterone a little higher. I'm not saying you have to, but you may find that the eq or primo keeps that water retention down. I don't know if you get high BP. But telmasartin really helps if your BP is from water retention. It's a angiotensin receptor blocker. It works through the raas to suppress aldosterone and it helps a lot with water retention. It also is good for your kidneys and improves your lipods

 

[Smont]

300 test 150 EQ would probably do the trick. A lot of people will say that eq dose is not going to do anything, and it probably won't do anything crazy for muscle growth, but it will manage estrogen sides from the test. If your a really high converter you may even want to go 300/300. I used to be able to run my test in EQ at equal doses back in the day but I can't anymore. I can only use about half as much EQ as my testosterone or it's too dry.

 

[CroLifter]

Hmm I entertained the idea of deca for its more mellow nature and since i can get pharmaceutical deca, to have a cycle with less dht, water retention while still maintaining equal (or slightly superior) anabolism, but if the option with deca gives me the same (or worse) bp spike, water retention, moonface then there is no point, easier to just run one compound. I am not really gyno prone and dont care about sexual sides, its the blood pressure and bloat that i have problem with.

On 500 test bp without ai was 145/95, with ai around 130/85. And I feel like AI, while I do not believe its the devil, is tricky to dial in. Reserved for here and there if things go haywire, but not as sth to be taken on a schedule.

I cant source primo and i cant take eq because i have high propensity to hematocrit shooting up, so test/mast is left as a realiable combo. In previous cycles I used to take the dose of testosterone on the verge of not being bearable (300 for me) and then add a little mast (100) till I get partial symptom relief, if i took too much it seemed to make me stringy and it feels like it almost hampered the anabolism to an extent. So i prefer to let test be the main compound and look at mast as ancillary.

 

[Smont]

Hmm I entertained the idea of deca for its more mellow nature and since i can get pharmaceutical deca, to have a cycle with less dht, water retention while still maintaining equal (or slightly superior) anabolism, but if the option with deca gives me the same (or worse) bp spike, water retention, moonface then there is no point, easier to just run one compound. I am not really gyno prone and dont care about sexual sides, its the blood pressure and bloat that i have problem with.

On 500 test bp without ai was 145/95, with ai around 130/85. And I feel like AI, while I do not believe its the devil, is tricky to dial in. Reserved for here and there if things go haywire, but not as sth to be taken on a schedule.

I cant source primo and i cant take eq because i have high propensity to hematocrit shooting up, so test/mast is left as a realiable combo. In previous cycles I used to take the dose of testosterone on the verge of not being bearable (300 for me) and then add a little mast (100) till I get partial symptom relief, if i took too much it seemed to make me stringy and it feels like it almost hampered the anabolism to an extent. So i prefer to let test be the main compound and look at mast as ancillary.

If you can find mast right now, (obviously if you used it before you know how you handle it) but you may find with masteron you need a higher dose I always run it even with my testosterone. The mast doesn't really lower your estrogen but it does seem to manage the side effects from estrogen very well, it works more like a serm.

 

[CroLifter]

Yes there is a problem with mast raws. Next thing I can resort to if mast is unavailable is TD Epiandro and Androsterone. It does have similar effects as far as drying out, hardening goes but i dont feel like it offers anything at all when it comes to anabolism (i feel like mast contributes just a little). Still, it is of worth as an ancillary.

I do need higher mast if i want to completely mask the testosterone's bloat and puffyness but like i said due to cost (and total drug load) i take less, just enough to make the course enjoyable.

I will say i did enjoy a brief run with 250 test 100 tren ace some years ago and had much less sides than with 500 test, however i dont fancy the idea of that bovine drug anymore, when it seems that test/mast/var does almost exactly the same but without the dark mood (which was present at 100mg of ace a week). Not depression but a little psycho/violent.

 

[AndroRage]

Yes there is a problem with mast raws. Next thing I can resort to if mast is unavailable is TD Epiandro and Androsterone. It does have similar effects as far as drying out, hardening goes but i dont feel like it offers anything at all when it comes to anabolism (i feel like mast contributes just a little). Still, it is of worth as an ancillary.

I do need higher mast if i want to completely mask the testosterone's bloat and puffyness but like i said due to cost (and total drug load) i take less, just enough to make the course enjoyable.

I will say i did enjoy a brief run with 250 test 100 tren ace some years ago and had much less sides than with 500 test, however i dont fancy the idea of that bovine drug anymore, when it seems that test/mast/var does almost exactly the same but without the dark mood (which was present at 100mg of ace a week). Not depression but a little psycho/violent.

Which TD Epiandro and Androsterone are you using? Thanks