Trt 3 yrs and wanting to pct

Smokey8766

Smokey8766

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I've been on trt for 3 years this month exactly. My hematocrit is getting way high I was really low hematocrit when I started my doctor said I was probably a little anemic. All I did in the 3 years was 200mg of eq for 10 weeks and my bloods went up to 58% hematocrit but didn't check my Ferritin. Now I just ran 500t/600 mast and got done like 6 weeks ago. I haven't checked recent bloodwork but I wanna clean out good. I know a pretty standard pct after a cycle but wanted input on being on 200mg /week for last 3 years. My baseline bloodwork was at 767ng testosterone before I started trt. Was also thinking running hcg continuing after pct I know it shouldn't have any much negative effects.
@Smont @Hyde
 
Smokey8766 said:
I've been on trt for 3 years this month exactly. My hematocrit is getting way high I was really low hematocrit when I started my doctor said I was probably a little anemic. All I did in the 3 years was 200mg of eq for 10 weeks and my bloods went up to 58% hematocrit but didn't check my Ferritin. Now I just ran 500t/600 mast and got done like 6 weeks ago. I haven't checked recent bloodwork but I wanna clean out good. I know a pretty standard pct after a cycle but wanted input on being on 200mg /week for last 3 years. My baseline bloodwork was at 767ng testosterone before I started trt. Was also thinking running hcg continuing after pct I know it shouldn't have any much negative effects.
@Smont @Hyde
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So do you want to get your hematocrit down to something safer like low 50s, or do you actually want to get off TRT for a true restart? Because you can just donate blood, stop shots for 8 weeks and cruise a little HCG weeks 3-8, donate again 8 weeks after the first, and begin TRT at a proper dose of like 140/wk. Going to daily or eod slinpin shots will also lower HCT compared to the larger peak exposure of 1-2x/wk dosing. You’d probably want to check HCT/HGB/ferritin after the 8 weeks from the initial donation and time cruising HCG to see if you even needed to donate again.

It depends on what your total t levels are of course with 200/wk, but for many guys that may put you around 1,000ng/dl, maybe more (5x weekly dose is a good bro rule for initial expectations without taking into account individual variations in metabolism). That’s not necessarily unsafe, but it’s absolutely running hotter than natural and you will very commonly see thicker blood in many men at that dose. Something like 100-160/wk is probably what most would be able to get away with and keep things within 53 HCT, especially if they donate periodically. I’m not a doctor, but the idea that you need to keep HCT under 50 is basically antiquated (and unrealistic) for most on TRT. But if you are living at 55, that is 10% over margin & you’re probably taking on more risk. Mine is probably 58-60 now (it was 57 like 14 weeks ago or something), so I’m going to donate soon hopefully to drop a few points before I cut water to make weight for a contest in 2 weeks. There are a lot of bodybuilders living around 60+, but it doesn’t take a genius to understand that is riskier & not to be copied.

Once this contest is over in 2 weeks, I will skip all shots for 2 weeks then begin legitimate TRT doses. I will have already taken my last long ester shot a week out from contest, so they’ll be clearing 3 weeks before I reintroduce any testosterone. Sooner you get levels down low, the better for HCT recovery. It really helps to stop shots for 3-4 weeks entirely.
 
Yeah I was thinking actually just coming off entirely and cleaning out for a while. Then maybee just blasting hcg year round if I have too,but my natty levels are close to 800. If I can get back close to that and how I was feeling is fine. I think for me 150mg will have me at 1000-1200. So at that what's the point when I could probably do 250mcg hcg twice a week and be there. But yeah I'm. Up there probably 58-60 right now and at time my bp gets messed up a little bit even being on 40-80 mg telmisartan. Kinda wanna get away from donating. I get real dizzy and sweaty and or pass out from it. So with what you said I might just chill for 4 weeks get levels down and just do hcg
 
Smokey8766 said:
Yeah I was thinking actually just coming off entirely and cleaning out for a while. Then maybee just blasting hcg year round if I have too,but my natty levels are close to 800. If I can get back close to that and how I was feeling is fine. I think for me 150mg will have me at 1000-1200. So at that what's the point when I could probably do 250mcg hcg twice a week and be there. But yeah I'm. Up there probably 58-60 right now and at time my bp gets messed up a little bit even being on 40-80 mg telmisartan. Kinda wanna get away from donating. I get real dizzy and sweaty and or pass out from it. So with what you said I might just chill for 4 weeks get levels down and just do hcg
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You’ve been on 3 years; there’s no guarantee you’ll have a smooth recovery back to previous output levels. Nor will you maintain your physique as well, so really think about what you want.

The idea of coming off completely to “clean out” is basically debunked. You need to come down to in-range physiological test levels and stop other compounds is what restores bloodwork & resets response to gear. But you don’t need to suffer for it.
 
i can immediately tell when my h&h gets high around mid 50's on trt, i get a low constant headache and my resting HR that is usually around 60 goes up to mid 80's and my heart feels like it is beating a little harder than normal
 
lanky said:
i can immediately tell when my h&h gets high around mid 50's on trt, i get a low constant headache and my resting HR that is usually around 60 goes up to mid 80's and my heart feels like it is beating a little harder than normal
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Yeah there's definitely a difference I notice. I'm just worried I'm scared at this point if I come off. I'm thinking of just doing a proper pct and staying on hcg
 
Smokey8766 said:
Yeah there's definitely a difference I notice. I'm just worried I'm scared at this point if I come off. I'm thinking of just doing a proper pct and staying on hcg
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maybe a normal hrt dose of 100mg week of cyp or enanthate will bring it down to a normal rage or splitting 100mg dose up to bi or tri weekly. as others have stated in previous posts usually if you keep the peak test level somewhere reasonable you can lower you hematocrit somewhat. i am on androgel myself alternating 3 and 4 pumps every other day and may hct is still around 52 or 53 ish, was at 55 on 4 pumps daily. he was thinking of putting me on a subcutaneous enanthate called xyosted at the lowest dose of 50mg weekly that will flatten the curve and you wont have such a huge spike in test levels hopefully preventing this, also we talked about the new oral test undecanoate esters that have a delivery system that is absorbed lymphatically and is taken twice daily. the problem with the oral undecanoate is that it is not covered by insurance yet because there is no generic, right now i am paying 10 bucks a month for androgel, if i switched to xyosted it would be about 25 i think. the undecanoate would be about 350 but if i go directly to cooperating mail order pharmacy that the maker of xyosted works with located in north carolina i think it is about 120 bucks a month.
 
Smokey8766 said:
Yeah there's definitely a difference I notice. I'm just worried I'm scared at this point if I come off. I'm thinking of just doing a proper pct and staying on hcg
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HCG is suppressive, as is the estrogen from it. So there’s no point in doing a SERM to PCT if you’re going to cruise on HCG. Just stop test and start HCG.

But if you want to try to actually restart, take HCG for a month while your test fully clears, then switch to a significant dose of Tamoxifen or Enclomiphene for the next 6-8 weeks.

Using a little Exemestane while on the HCG can help expedite the SERM response when it’s time, as Exem will lower estrogen so it won’t be hanging around when it’s time to switch to the SERM, but don’t crash your estrogen. That’s just not worth it.
 
Hyde said:
HCG is suppressive, as is the estrogen from it. So there’s no point in doing a SERM to PCT if you’re going to cruise on HCG. Just stop test and start HCG.

But if you want to try to actually restart, take HCG for a month while your test fully clears, then switch to a significant dose of Tamoxifen or Enclomiphene for the next 6-8 weeks.

Using a little Exemestane while on the HCG can help expedite the SERM response when it’s time, as Exem will lower estrogen so it won’t be hanging around when it’s time to switch to the SERM, but don’t crash your estrogen. That’s just not worth it.
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Yeah very usefull knowledge. My pcts were always start at a hight dose of hcg ,taper the dose down and add clomid and nolva and lower the clomid last 2 weeks
 
I’ve been on trt for probably 10+ years. Switched from androgel to injections maybe 5 years ago. Dr had me on 150mg 1x weekly. Over that time I never really felt great and my hct continued to climb higher. My gyno was also always flaring up and I just felt off most of the time. About 3 months ago I went to injecting ~80mg every 4 days. There were noticeable improvements in mood, sleep and the gyno started calming down. Just a couple weeks ago I went to 40mg EOD to see if I could improve on the positive effects of more frequent injections. My gyno isn’t even noticeable now - no pain and lump is practically gone. I have just felt much better in general. I haven’t had blood work yet since making these changes, but clearly this seems the best way to go for me. Hoping my hct has come down but won’t know until I get bloods in a few months. Wish I had started this dosing protocol a long time ago.
 
i even notice i feel better when i do 1 pump of androgel 4 times a day instead of all 4 at once
 
I’ve restarted before to get my fertility back, I used HCG for the first 4 weeks (250iux2 week) and Clomid (25mg ed) for 8-10 weeks.
It worked perfectly.

I would not cruise on HCG since it’s suppressive on its own and can raise estrogen, like was already mentioned. If you want to use something that not requires PCT I would use Clomid since it raises your Test levels naturally. That what I used in 8 weeks ON/OFF cycles until my child was conceived, it raised my Testosterone from 500’s to 900’s.
 
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