Feeling Stuck on TRT ? Cant seem to dial in, Crashed E2 and sides are brutal

[mamasi_r]

Hi Im 21 On trt and have no access to drs and professionals in my country, no one supports trt here.
I started TRT due to some reasons and it was doin good for me till it stopped, I know i made a mistake and could Fix things Naturally and im planning to come off but rn im stuck please help me without mocking me for my decisions thanks.

i started trt using Test E 250mg ampules wich i draw the amount needed with insulin syringe and do im injections.
At start I did 50mg e3d for a month wich increased my dht to 2500 which is way high and i had insomnia and anxiety, Labs looked like this :
TotalT : 600NGDL
FreeT : 60PGML
E2 : 22PGML
DHT : 2500PGML

then i changed to 25mg eod and was doin great for 2 months and labs looked like this :
TotalT : 530NGDL
FreeT : 160PGML
SHBG : 21
E2 : 31PGML
DHT : 476PGML

Then started Feeling worse and worse and had some weired symptoms that at the time i didn't know was low e2, I addedd 250iu HCG eod for 2weeks and first week was doin great but second week had multiple panick attacks, i stopped the hcg and had a bloodtest after a month of no hcg and 25mg eod protocol wich looked like this :
TotalT : 490NGDL
FreeT : 190PGML
SHBG : 15
E2 : <10PGML
DHT : 467PGML

i use no ai, serms or anything. I was feelin terrible, All the crashed e2 symptoms were there including :
. Anxiety - DPDR - Panick attacks - BrainFog
. Insomnia - Fragmented sleep - Waking up panicking
. Extreme Lethargy - Energy Crash - BP & BS Drop
. Cold Hands and Feets
. Muscle & Joints Pain And weakness
. Dry Eyes
. Motionsickness
. Libido none existence, The thought of sex makes me wanna throw Up
. Feelings completely off

I found out that eod protocol for me wasn't giving me enough conversion, I changed my protocol to 100mg e6d, near 5weeks ago(36Days to be exact).E2 at peaks is 29pgml and at trough is 21pgml so e2 is fixing, Didn't have full bloodwork yet im planning to do so at end of week 6.
First week energy was better and i could do light cradio walks, But mental symptoms were still awful, Second week was still ****, 3rd week i was feeling almost normal, Energy and anxiety and depersonalization were improving so much and i could sleep without waking up in the middle of it and didn't have any energy crashes that felt like fainting anymore.
Week 4 and current week is horrible, i feel absolute Garbage ,Im so lethargic i can barely walk without feeling like im gonna pass out, My head is constantly heavy and feels like im gonna have a Vertigo or diziness but never really happend, its just heavy and weired,Anxiety and panicks are aweful and the depersonalization makes me think im slipping into psychosis. I Sleep better and longer but am tired all day and have no energy, My eyes are dry sometimes still. and recently developed depression and unmotivation, I was always hopefull before.
Symptoms like lethargy and anxiety improve alot at nights i feel like there might also be a adrenal fatigue or hpa axis issue.

. I Checked BP in diffrent days and it's very normal.
. Heart CheckUps are normal
. Diet Is neat and includes everything and no calorie deficit.
. i get enough Water and electrolytes
. Supplements i use are Only Magnesium, BComplex, D3 + K2 and i cut off creatine, NAC, Omega3 And C for now to not further complicate things
. Other Hormones and markers were always in check But we can never be sure ill do a full blood panel next week.

are my symptoms still from low e2 and It takes time to recover from crashed e2 and e2 signaling and receptors need time?

Or are my symptoms from doing such a big change to my protocol going from 25mg eod to 100mg e6d and im still at adjustment period?

I Wanna quit trt so bad but i know it will just makes things much worse cause i had a similar experience before and quited trt and never felt normal again

‌‌PS : I don't know if this matters, I was doin a cycle near 10months ago, i used letrozol once on that cycle and it crashed my e2, at the time i was a noob dumbass and messed things up, after crash i did 100mg e7d for 4weeks then did pct with clomid and all those things i did just made everything 10× Worse. I was still terrible off trt and wasn't even feeling like a humanbeing, since i started trt 5months ago and it made me feel amazing for the first 3months and now im dealing with low e2 again.

 

[Dustin07]

@Hyde @Smont @MrKleen73 might be able to help get you right.

 

[mamasi_r]

Yes @Smont and @GreenMachineX Been great Help through This whole journey, absolutely Greatful to have found them in my journey, they helped me alot with everything.

Just Posted to gather some more opinions and Experiences.

 

[Dustin07]

I've only used mild pro-hormones so even though I have experienced all your side effects, I'm not sure my pct experiences are valid in your situation. for me, any use of alcohol at all made the symptoms far worse. and anytime I'm off at all, I find M-Test and the XPG Alpha Gel bring back a lot of what you're missing, like libido. but again, my experience is limited to TD and oral pro-hormones.

 

[mamasi_r]

I've only used mild pro-hormones so even though I have experienced all your side effects, I'm not sure my pct experiences are valid in your situation. for me, any use of alcohol at all made the symptoms far worse. and anytime I'm off at all, I find M-Test and the XPG Alpha Gel bring back a lot of what you're missing, like libido. but again, my experience is limited to TD and oral pro-hormones.

Thanks for your respond, the thing is im still on test and experiencing all these symptoms lol, it's not pct symptoms.
As for alcohol yes i as well can't tolerate any drugs or alcohol and have avoided even coffein for past few months.

Are M-Test and XPG Alpha test supplements? what arz they used for?

 

[Dustin07]

and have avoided even coffein for past few months.

I have been there, I had to take about 6 months off. I'm confident you'll find a solution.

Are M-Test and XPG Alpha test supplements? what arz they used for?

both are just natural boosters. I have not done blood work on them so I don't know for a fact that they boosted test for me, but I have the positive side effects. strong libido, morning wood, deeper voice, more aggression in life, etc. they are my two favorite 'natty' products in that field.

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[mamasi_r]

I have been there, I had to take about 6 months off. I'm confident you'll find a solution.



both are just natural boosters. I have not done blood work on them so I don't know for a fact that they boosted test for me, but I have the positive side effects. strong libido, morning wood, deeper voice, more aggression in life, etc. they are my two favorite 'natty' products in that field.

XPG Xtreme Gels Alpha Gel - 100 ML by XPG Xtreme Performance Gels

Alpha Gel supports natural testosterone, lean muscle, strength, libido, and mood for enhanced well-being and performance. Perfect for all men, workout or not.

www.dpsnutrition.net

Competitive Edge Labs M-Test - 180 Cap by Competitive Edge Labs CEL

Experience the power of M-Test, a comprehensive testosterone booster with clinically researched ingredients to enhance strength, muscle, fat loss, and libido.

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they seem useful thanks,

I also want to quit so bad, the reason i started this whole trt thing was improving my health, and it's been just declining.
Im so scared of quiting and the side effects that would come up cause i also had a bad experience quiting before using clomid once, that messed me up,
how was your experience quitting? and did u quit while in a horrible state like where I'm currently sitting at?

 

[akboom87]

Also not experienced in this but reading through a few questions.

You say TRT and list mg but not a compound. What compound are you using?

What dosage is the compound you are taking?

Is your compound legit, like any testing, is actually testosterone?

 

[mamasi_r]

Also not experienced in this but reading through a few questions.

You say TRT and list mg but not a compound. What compound are you using?

What dosage is the compound you are taking?

Is your compound legit, like any testing, is actually testosterone?

Im using Testostrone Enanthate 250mg ampules.
I use an insulin syringe to inject 100mg every time
I've been on same product for 6months now and bloodworks show it's real Testostrone as my levels have increased after starting, and it changes with protocol change, for example changing to 100mg e6d has increased my e2 from below 10 to 29pgml

 

[botk1161]

In the short term, I would raise your test dose from 100-150mg once every 7 days to raise the estrogen if that what is in fact causing the majority of your problems. And if your 3-6 days away from dosing, take another 75mg or so now to get the estrogen kicking up.

 

[mamasi_r]

In the short term, I would raise your test dose from 100-150mg once every 7 days to raise the estrogen if that what is in fact causing the majority of your problems. And if your 3-6 days away from dosing, take another 75mg or so now to get the estrogen kicking up.

e2 is up, last bloodwork shows e2 at 29pgml, it increased from under 10pgml to 29pgml in the last 5weeks with 100mg e6d protocol!

 

[Hyde]

I’d consider bumping the dose to 125mg e6d for now, or rather the 100mg frequency to e5d instead if that’s not too much inconvenience. 100mg is bottom end for many guys TRT, and you’re just getting to around 600ng/dl. You might feel a bit better around 700 and 30s estrogen.

But whether you increase it or not, you probably need to ride this out. A lot of the side effects you listed like feeling like vertigo and lethargy are also symptoms of many seasonal viruses even. One week feeling bad doesn’t mean the whole protocol is entirely wrong; it could be a bad week for a variety of other reasons we’re missing. AND you have seen a trend of improvements both in positive bloodwork and self-analysis recently doing what you are. So I wouldn’t lose faith just yet off only one bad week.

If you started that SERM PCT the week or two after stopping the testosterone, it wouldn’t have worked. It usually takes about 3 weeks to clear test e for many guys, unless it was in MCT oil and microdosed daily. As long as it’s still clearing, the SERMs will not get the testes to start their own production up yet.

 

[mamasi_r]

thanks a

I’d consider bumping the dose to 125mg e6d for now, or rather the 100mg frequency to e5d instead if that’s not too much inconvenience. 100mg is bottom end for many guys TRT, and you’re just getting to around 600ng/dl. You might feel a bit better around 700 and 30s estrogen.

But whether you increase it or not, you probably need to ride this out. A lot of the side effects you listed like feeling like vertigo and lethargy are also symptoms of many seasonal viruses even. One week feeling bad doesn’t mean the whole protocol is entirely wrong; it could be a bad week for a variety of other reasons we’re missing. AND you have seen a trend of improvements both in positive bloodwork and self-analysis recently doing what you are. So I wouldn’t lose faith just yet off only one bad week.

If you started that SERM PCT the week or two after stopping the testosterone, it wouldn’t have worked. It usually takes about 3 weeks to clear test e for many guys, unless it was in MCT oil and microdosed daily. As long as it’s still clearing, the SERMs will not get the testes to start their own production up yet.tyanks

I’d consider bumping the dose to 125mg e6d for now, or rather the 100mg frequency to e5d instead if that’s not too much inconvenience. 100mg is bottom end for many guys TRT, and you’re just getting to around 600ng/dl. You might feel a bit better around 700 and 30s estrogen.

But whether you increase it or not, you probably need to ride this out. A lot of the side effects you listed like feeling like vertigo and lethargy are also symptoms of many seasonal viruses even. One week feeling bad doesn’t mean the whole protocol is entirely wrong; it could be a bad week for a variety of other reasons we’re missing. AND you have seen a trend of improvements both in positive bloodwork and self-analysis recently doing what you are. So I wouldn’t lose faith just yet off only one bad week.

If you started that SERM PCT the week or two after stopping the testosterone, it wouldn’t have worked. It usually takes about 3 weeks to clear test e for many guys, unless it was in MCT oil and microdosed daily. As long as it’s still clearing, the SERMs will not get the testes to start their own production up yet.

thanks alot for your respond, Im gonna have to do a bloodwork this week too see where my TT and FT sits at before deciding to increase the dosage, but what you're saying makes total sense, But i doubt it's low T cause even around injection days my symptoms dont improve if we consider that time to be the peak of my hormone levels, But can't say anything without the labs

Yes i messed up the PCT last time completely lol, i didn't wait 2 3 weeks before starting the Clomid and didn't use any hcg and i stopped right after an e2 crash and never gave my body time to heal

 

[Smont]

I’d consider bumping the dose to 125mg e6d for now, or rather the 100mg frequency to e5d instead if that’s not too much inconvenience. 100mg is bottom end for many guys TRT, and you’re just getting to around 600ng/dl. You might feel a bit better around 700 and 30s estrogen.

But whether you increase it or not, you probably need to ride this out. A lot of the side effects you listed like feeling like vertigo and lethargy are also symptoms of many seasonal viruses even. One week feeling bad doesn’t mean the whole protocol is entirely wrong; it could be a bad week for a variety of other reasons we’re missing. AND you have seen a trend of improvements both in positive bloodwork and self-analysis recently doing what you are. So I wouldn’t lose faith just yet off only one bad week.

If you started that SERM PCT the week or two after stopping the testosterone, it wouldn’t have worked. It usually takes about 3 weeks to clear test e for many guys, unless it was in MCT oil and microdosed daily. As long as it’s still clearing, the SERMs will not get the testes to start their own production up yet.

@mamasi_r and i have been talking a little about this, recently He's made a lot of changes and I think he keeps changing things too often and not giving anything enough time to level out. Any small changes seem to trigger the anxiety pretty bad. Being someone myself that deals with pretty bad anxiety and a little bit of depression from time to time, the two go hand in hand and start to feed each other. Then you kind of start to overthink everything and worrying about everything just seems to create more anxiety. For myself personally, sometimes it's good to take a step back and just not change anything and let everything just balance out for a while so we know there aren't any variables. I believe right now it's only been about 3 weeks since he lasts changed things, if he changes the protocol again he's just going to have to start rethinking everything again so I really do think at this point it might be best to just give it some time.

Now these are just opinions, I'm just making assumptions based off the information I have. But since HCG is off the table, my initial suggestion was up the test, then the less frequent injection scheduled, and oral DHEA as another option.

@mamasi_r are you taking DHEA? I can't remember

 

[mamasi_r]

@mamasi_r and i have been talking a little about this, recently He's made a lot of changes and I think he keeps changing things too often and not giving anything enough time to level out. Any small changes seem to trigger the anxiety pretty bad. Being someone myself that deals with pretty bad anxiety and a little bit of depression from time to time, the two go hand in hand and start to feed each other. Then you kind of start to overthink everything and worrying about everything just seems to create more anxiety. For myself personally, sometimes it's good to take a step back and just not change anything and let everything just balance out for a while so we know there aren't any variables. I believe right now it's only been about 3 weeks since he lasts changed things, if he changes the protocol again he's just going to have to start rethinking everything again so I really do think at this point it might be best to just give it some time.

Now these are just opinions, I'm just making assumptions based off the information I have. But since HCG is off the table, my initial suggestion was up the test, then the less frequent injection scheduled, and oral DHEA as another option.

@mamasi_r are you taking DHEA? I can't remember

that's so true about the anxiety and depression and protocol changes i did. im trying my best to stay on this protocl and not panick change everything lol but intrusive thoughts gets to me sometimes i haven't acted on them though.

Yes i did up the dosage from 87.5mg weekly(25mg eod) to 117mg weekly (100mg e6d) and pin less frequent and e2 is actually right at my sweet spot now wich is around 30pgml.
The issues seems to be some Persistent Low e2 symptoms still, and anxiety skyrocketed with protocol change.
i have always controlled my anxiety and panick attacks with physical activity and ive always been a very active person. the reason why im feelin so terrible right now is im so lethargic that I can't even walk to shake off all the adrenaline pumping in my system. and i cant even get up while having a panick episode.

No i haven't added hcg or dhea or anything else i didnt want to further complicate my protocol.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah man give it another few weeks doing what you’re doing. You need to get stable before you can make any educated evaluations, or be emotionally prepared for the repercussions of changing things.