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Top_Alpha

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Do we have a keeper here?
 
As a consumer, my first thought would be that if a product contains enough of a branded ingredient, why hide the dose in a prop blend?

Working in the industry, my first thoughts are:
  • Many branded ingredient companies will not allow companies to use their ingredients if they put them in a prop blend and don't disclose the dosages.
  • For example, the product claims to contain Albion's Boron but doesn't list an elemental amount, so you have no idea how much you're getting and from my experience, they wouldn't sign off on the label like that.
  • Then, as you get to the prop blends, you can look at TestoSurge for example. The studied dose is 500 mg. and to my knowledge, they won't license it if you don't use 500 mg. However, the prop blend that it is in is 904 mg. total and it is the second ingredient. By law, in a prop blend, you're supposed to list ingredients from most to least. It's a 5 ingredient blend totaling 904 mg. but even if it was a 2 ingredient blend, there's no way it could have 500 mg. in it and be labeled legally bc Shilajit is first and therefore should be the highest dose so even if the other 3 were 1 mg each, the highest TestoSurge dose could be would be 450 mg.
  • If you look at what the effective dose would be for each ingredient, you can see that it is severely underdosed.
I could keep going, but that's the gist of it.

It's a classic prop blend to make people think they're getting more than they are. They may be getting the ingredients, but not at effective dosages.

The total dosage of the product if you add up all the prop blends is 2387.2 mg.

For comparison, M-Test contains many of those ingredients, but at their effective dosages and is 3,905 mg. (or 4,095 if counting by the total Boron input dose).

Here is M-Test's supplement facts panel:

M-Test (UPDATED2) SUPP FACTS v2.webp


Link: https://competitiveedgelabs.com/product/m-test/
 
sns8778 said:
As a consumer, my first thought would be that if a product contains enough of a branded ingredient, why hide the dose in a prop blend?

Working in the industry, my first thoughts are:
  • Many branded ingredient companies will not allow companies to use their ingredients if they put them in a prop blend and don't disclose the dosages.
  • For example, the product claims to contain Albion's Boron but doesn't list an elemental amount, so you have no idea how much you're getting and from my experience, they wouldn't sign off on the label like that.
  • Then, as you get to the prop blends, you can look at TestoSurge for example. The studied dose is 500 mg. and to my knowledge, they won't license it if you don't use 500 mg. However, the prop blend that it is in is 904 mg. total and it is the second ingredient. By law, in a prop blend, you're supposed to list ingredients from most to least. It's a 5 ingredient blend totaling 904 mg. but even if it was a 2 ingredient blend, there's no way it could have 500 mg. in it and be labeled legally bc Shilajit is first and therefore should be the highest dose so even if the other 3 were 1 mg each, the highest TestoSurge dose could be would be 450 mg.
  • If you look at what the effective dose would be for each ingredient, you can see that it is severely underdosed.
I could keep going, but that's the gist of it.

It's a classic prop blend to make people think they're getting more than they are. They may be getting the ingredients, but not at effective dosages.

The total dosage of the product if you add up all the prop blends is 2387.2 mg.

For comparison, M-Test contains many of those ingredients, but at their effective dosages and is 3,905 mg. (or 4,095 if counting by the total Boron input dose).

Here is M-Test's supplement facts panel:

View attachment 257476

Link: https://competitiveedgelabs.com/product/m-test/
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Interesting take.
 
sns8778 said:
As a consumer, my first thought would be that if a product contains enough of a branded ingredient, why hide the dose in a prop blend?

Working in the industry, my first thoughts are:
  • Many branded ingredient companies will not allow companies to use their ingredients if they put them in a prop blend and don't disclose the dosages.
  • For example, the product claims to contain Albion's Boron but doesn't list an elemental amount, so you have no idea how much you're getting and from my experience, they wouldn't sign off on the label like that.
  • Then, as you get to the prop blends, you can look at TestoSurge for example. The studied dose is 500 mg. and to my knowledge, they won't license it if you don't use 500 mg. However, the prop blend that it is in is 904 mg. total and it is the second ingredient. By law, in a prop blend, you're supposed to list ingredients from most to least. It's a 5 ingredient blend totaling 904 mg. but even if it was a 2 ingredient blend, there's no way it could have 500 mg. in it and be labeled legally bc Shilajit is first and therefore should be the highest dose so even if the other 3 were 1 mg each, the highest TestoSurge dose could be would be 450 mg.
  • If you look at what the effective dose would be for each ingredient, you can see that it is severely underdosed.
I could keep going, but that's the gist of it.

It's a classic prop blend to make people think they're getting more than they are. They may be getting the ingredients, but not at effective dosages.

The total dosage of the product if you add up all the prop blends is 2387.2 mg.

For comparison, M-Test contains many of those ingredients, but at their effective dosages and is 3,905 mg. (or 4,095 if counting by the total Boron input dose).

Here is M-Test's supplement facts panel:

View attachment 257476

Link: https://competitiveedgelabs.com/product/m-test/
Click to expand...
Damn. Doesn't get more detailed and honest than that.
 
Top_Alpha said:
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Working in the industry....for over 23 years....I'd say the key to this product isn't this SFP it's the quality of the raw materials, the TM names or related at all to prop blends. What I can say is this isn't a SFP that follows the FDA guidelines best practices because Boron isn't declared, that doesn't mean the product isn't good, it just tells me where to place the manufacture in my head. One plus is they use a quality Albion Zinc (versus an Oxide). They also know black maca is the preferred maca for this formula (but Maca can't be standardized to 50:1 full spectrum), but it could work as a product. Looking at a label can't decide that esp for a test booster (which this is).

Now if all these blends were 5mg or something then yeah but I've seen prop blend = trash companies use prop blends so in 2026 more so focus on the results and things like mineral source etc as consumers, and results. Who have tried it, what did they say? etc
 
max silver said:
I don't get people that respond in such a fashion. The guy asked for feedback on the formulation he posted and left a derogatory response because the responder put some effort into the reply.
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It’s because he wants a response from us. It’s the same troll guy from weeks ago
 
sns8778 said:
As a consumer, my first thought would be that if a product contains enough of a branded ingredient, why hide the dose in a prop blend?

Working in the industry, my first thoughts are:
  • Many branded ingredient companies will not allow companies to use their ingredients if they put them in a prop blend and don't disclose the dosages.
  • For example, the product claims to contain Albion's Boron but doesn't list an elemental amount, so you have no idea how much you're getting and from my experience, they wouldn't sign off on the label like that.
  • Then, as you get to the prop blends, you can look at TestoSurge for example. The studied dose is 500 mg. and to my knowledge, they won't license it if you don't use 500 mg. However, the prop blend that it is in is 904 mg. total and it is the second ingredient. By law, in a prop blend, you're supposed to list ingredients from most to least. It's a 5 ingredient blend totaling 904 mg. but even if it was a 2 ingredient blend, there's no way it could have 500 mg. in it and be labeled legally bc Shilajit is first and therefore should be the highest dose so even if the other 3 were 1 mg each, the highest TestoSurge dose could be would be 450 mg.
  • If you look at what the effective dose would be for each ingredient, you can see that it is severely underdosed.
I could keep going, but that's the gist of it.

It's a classic prop blend to make people think they're getting more than they are. They may be getting the ingredients, but not at effective dosages.

The total dosage of the product if you add up all the prop blends is 2387.2 mg.

For comparison, M-Test contains many of those ingredients, but at their effective dosages and is 3,905 mg. (or 4,095 if counting by the total Boron input dose).

Here is M-Test's supplement facts panel:

View attachment 257476

Link: https://competitiveedgelabs.com/product/m-test/
Click to expand...
100% Agree on Albion not allowing this and taking it a step further Im pretty sure not stating a mineral content directly would make for a non-legally compliant label.......


I am not affiliated with any company so I'll say directly I wouldn't take this if free let alone buy it, RUN!!!!!!
 
max silver said:
I don't get people that respond in such a fashion. The guy asked for feedback on the formulation he posted and left a derogatory response because the responder put some effort into the reply.
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It was never a real thread. Just a post to bait the reply he got and **** on SNS.

Pretty sure it's the same loser who has dedicated years of his life to this act. Nice BETA action @Top_Alpha ! lol
 
Danksta710 said:
It was never a real thread. Just a post to bait the reply he got and **** on SNS.

Pretty sure it's the same loser who has dedicated years of his life to this act. Nice BETA action @Top_Alpha ! lol
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I’ve got a theory, he’s someone who’s got another real profile and has been here a while. Nobody invests this kind of time.
 
Top_Alpha said:
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Do we have a keeper here?
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Checks off all the right boxes, but all these supplements check off the right boxes these days. The bigger questions: what is the quality of the ingredients? How much of each ingredient is there? And depending on the integrity of the company, are all those ingredients even present? To me it's just another impressive sounding label in a world of unregulated supplements. Only way to really know is to send it to a lab for analysis.
 
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