How to get the best out of Alpha one

recompme

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Hi all I'm about to run CEL Alpha one. Just wondering how best to use it. My plan is to try it on a clean big bulk diet for a month or two (unless I get sides that I can't manage). Training wise I'm going to return to taking each set to real failure except for chest as I don't have a spotter. For me alot of these natural anabolics seem to be really good at leaning me out on a slight calorie excess intake so I'm hoping doing a big bulk diet will trip things more in favour of actually putting some real muscle on. Hoping it's not just transient muscle fullness or short term pumps. If things go well I might stack it with Urolithin b. Any tips on how to make best use of it will be appreciated.
 
Start with 1 cap daily. Preferably pre-workout. If no issues, I've gone up to 3 caps daily. 2 pre-workout and then 1 later in the evening.
 
Start with 1 cap daily. Preferably pre-workout. If no issues, I've gone up to 3 caps daily. 2 pre-workout and then 1 later in the evening.
Ok, when you used it, did you find it helpful if so in what way? Like did it boost your strength/stamina/recovery etc and when did its effects kick in for you? Cheers
 
Ok, when you used it, did you find it helpful if so in what way? Like did it boost your strength/stamina/recovery etc and when did its effects kick in for you? Cheers
Pumps are noticeable immediately. Strength and muscle fullness also noticeable pretty quickly. Recomp effects within a week or two.
 
Start with 1 softgel per day for the first two weeks and then if no issues, you can go up to 2 per day if you'd like to.

If you find yourself to be cAMP sensitive and one softgel bothers your stomach at all, take it with a meal while your body acclimates to the increased cAMP levels.
 
take it with a meal while your body acclimates to the increased cAMP levels.

^^^ I was gonna suggest this for your early days using A1 + also maybe most of the time haha. I used it for 6+ months when it came out, and the only time I ever had any problems was the 1 day I took it on an empty stomach. ~2 hours after taking it there was a cleansing storm that took place :LOL: I never tried to replicate this after that to see if it really was because of the empty stomach... but never had any issues when taking it around a meal.

All day nitrate-ish like pumps, endurance boost after a few weeks, seems to give a nice boost for recomp but honestly I can see people using this under any circumstances. Paired with Uro-B is really fun.
 
I've used A1 stacked with other supplements (Prime, PA, Anabolic XT, Lean Edge, Cordarine, etc.). I had success in a cut. It helped keep me full, recomp effect, endurance boost. I had success in a slight bulk. It felt like I was building a little quicker, more full and vascular in the build phase.

It's a fun supplement. Feels like a mild prohormone, especially when stacked and nutrition is dialed in.
 
Ok, when you used it, did you find it helpful if so in what way? Like did it boost your strength/stamina/recovery etc and when did its effects kick in for you? Cheers

Pumps are noticeable immediately. Strength and muscle fullness also noticeable pretty quickly. Recomp effects within a week or two.

Would you say it's better suited to leaning out than building muscle?
I think it would be a good product in either phase. what I noticed was similar to phosphatidic acid xt, increased muscle fullness when not in the gym, increased vascularity, possibly increased lifting endurance during sessions. I also notice that with this stacked with either anabolic xt or anabolic effect (I get similiar results on both) that even if I'm cutting I feel like I hold on to a lot more lean mass on a cut stay larger, even if scale says i'm dropping weight, or I lean up and stay the same weight. and they are all sorta a sleeper supplement in that I don't "feel" different from taking them, but my lifting sessions seem to be more aggressive and effective. I like all three products and have used them all numerous times over the years.

If you find yourself to be cAMP sensitive and one softgel bothers your stomach at all, take it with a meal while your body acclimates to the increased cAMP levels.

FWIW I have not had "issues" from taking this product, but I do feel like it has a similar effect to morning coffee. if I take my alpha one when I'm brushing my teeth at 5am, any digestive impact is over before 8am.
 
Hi all I'm about to run CEL Alpha one. Just wondering how best to use it. My plan is to try it on a clean big bulk diet for a month or two (unless I get sides that I can't manage). Training wise I'm going to return to taking each set to real failure except for chest as I don't have a spotter. For me alot of these natural anabolics seem to be really good at leaning me out on a slight calorie excess intake so I'm hoping doing a big bulk diet will trip things more in favour of actually putting some real muscle on. Hoping it's not just transient muscle fullness or short term pumps. If things go well I might stack it with Urolithin b. Any tips on how to make best use of it will be appreciated.
Over time I've come to the conclusion that for myself massive calorie surplus diets are a bad idea even when on the best herbal anabolic supplements. I've tried bulking on large surpluses and inevitably end up packing on a bunch of unwanted fat that needs to come off later and this inevitably shortens how long I can bulk (3-4 months) while remaining acceptably lean and lengthens the amount of time I need to spend cutting to get back to an aesthetic I can live with (also 3-4 months). I think in the long run it's wiser to shoot for a smaller surplus and bulk more slowly over a longer period time in order to shift the scale more towards lean mass accumulation vs a higher percentage of unwanted fat mass.
 
Over time I've come to the conclusion that for myself massive calorie surplus diets are a bad idea even when on the best herbal anabolic supplements. I've tried bulking on large surpluses and inevitably end up packing on a bunch of unwanted fat that needs to come off later and this inevitably shortens how long I can bulk (3-4 months) while remaining acceptably lean and lengthens the amount of time I need to spend cutting to get back to an aesthetic I can live with (also 3-4 months). I think in the long run it's wiser to shoot for a smaller surplus and bulk more slowly over a longer period time in order to shift the scale more towards lean mass accumulation vs a higher percentage of unwanted fat mass.
Noted, my problem is all these natty anabolics seemed to have slimmed right down everyone's saying I've lost lots of weight but I'm eating more than I ever have to the point I'm fed up of eating all the time and yet my trousers Keep slipping! I've used a tdee calculator to establish the amount of calories I need in cut/maintenance/bulk/heavy bulk.
 
Noted, my problem is all these natty anabolics seemed to have slimmed right down everyone's saying I've lost lots of weight but I'm eating more than I ever have to the point I'm fed up of eating all the time and yet my trousers Keep slipping! I've used a tdee calculator to establish the amount of calories I need in cut/maintenance/bulk/heavy bulk.
It sounds like you are living the dream if you are packing away as much food you can handle yet keep on slimming down further. There are plenty of other means of determining whether you are gaining lean mass at the same time, with your performance in the gym, measurements using a tape measure and appearance in the mirror being effective measures of whether you are increasing muscularity over time or simply getting leaner. If you are a beginner and started at a point where you were at a higher bodyfat percentage you can absolutely accomplish a recomposition where you are losing fat and building muscle at the same time and this is a dream scenario that becomes much harder to accomplish once you become more advanced in your gym journey and eventually become leaner over time to where you settle in at consistently lower bodyfat percentages. If this is occurring for you I suggest you enjoy this while it's possible.

If you aren't already I think it could be wise for you to utilize calorie tracking software/app so that you can get a firm picture of your daily calorie intake. I should follow my own advice as I've always just slowly increased the amount of food intake over time without tracking and eventually regretting this a few months later but adding something like 250 calories to your diet for a week or two and then reassessing can allow you to eventually determine your needed daily calorie intake in order to tip the scale towards accruing lean tissue vs gaining too quickly and having the majority of your gains become unwanted fat mass.
 
Noted, my problem is all these natty anabolics seemed to have slimmed right down everyone's saying I've lost lots of weight but I'm eating more than I ever have to the point I'm fed up of eating all the time and yet my trousers Keep slipping! I've used a tdee calculator to establish the amount of calories I need in cut/maintenance/bulk/heavy bulk.
whats your current height/weight and daily caloric intake?
there are those guys that can just pound many thousands of calories. I'm not one of them. 2k is a pretty accurate baseline for me and really always has been. my body loves to bulk and hates to cut. I have seen really well planned out nutritional plans with guys like Layne Norton though where folks up their calories fairly substantially and end up with amazing results after healthing a messed up metabolism.
 
whats your current height/weight and daily caloric intake?
there are those guys that can just pound many thousands of calories. I'm not one of them. 2k is a pretty accurate baseline for me and really always has been. my body loves to bulk and hates to cut. I have seen really well planned out nutritional plans with guys like Layne Norton though where folks up their calories fairly substantially and end up with amazing results after healthing a messed up metabolism.
5'6, 142lbs, just over 2300 calories per day but the majority of the time I eat in a soil to plate approach and try not to mix added fats with carbs. Think potatoes baked, fatty steak/skin on salmon seared in a cast iron skillet with abit of water and steamed veg the majority of the time. I do treat myself every now and again with chips and things like pizza. I rarely eat sweet treats and sodas but do like dark chocolate. I've completely changed my diet since I started lifting and trying to repair my metabolism. I think I've achieved that and so I've moved on to eating in a slight excess which is when I added these natty anabolics. If I were to go back to my prelifting diet of pizza/pizza/ cheese topped schnitzel then I'd be fat so my eating habits is playing a role but it's been accelerated by these natty anabolics.
 
Just an update, I get really good pumps on this even on none workout days! I don't think it's given me a boost with strength or if it has its so subtle I wouldn't notice till I've stopped taking it. Does it build muscle in my case? Hard to say and it's probably too soon to judge. I'm desperately hoping to find something that switches on anabolism and just makes grinding through these workouts and eating all the time worthwhile by getting muscular faster. For me though I think it might be just a good leaning out agent, so if you've got a good solid foundation under a layer of fat I think this would be awesome for you. I'm not in that position though, sigh.
 
Just an update, I get really good pumps on this even on none workout days! I don't think it's given me a boost with strength or if it has its so subtle I wouldn't notice till I've stopped taking it. Does it build muscle in my case? Hard to say and it's probably too soon to judge. I'm desperately hoping to find something that switches on anabolism and just makes grinding through these workouts and eating all the time worthwhile by getting muscular faster. For me though I think it might be just a good leaning out agent, so if you've got a good solid foundation under a layer of fat I think this would be awesome for you. I'm not in that position though, sigh.

Yes, the mechanisms of action would help with building muscle.

The amount of muscle that anyone builds with anything is going to depend on their calorie and protein intake.
 
The amount of muscle that anyone builds with anything is going to depend on their calorie and protein intake.
Plus genetics and gear
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Yes, the mechanisms of action would help with building muscle.

The amount of muscle that anyone builds with anything is going to depend on their calorie and protein intake.
"If an alpha cedrene based approach is found to be effective in humans....."

The only research I'm aware of was conducted on mice and those researchers in the conclusion state the above.

That's not to say research is the be all and end all. A general worry I have is about how researchers measure increased muscle mass, few studies take biopsies, so could the increase just be water weight? With the study I quoted above they did note new muscle fibres so I hope it does translate over to humans and hopefully loads of people are messaging you saying how it is building muscle, I'm not privvy to those though and there's a lack of guys reporting results on here and dosages being taken.
 
Plus genetics and gear
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When I first started working out I went to a sketchy old skool bodybuilders gym, once the guys figured out I wasn't a snitch they were all like you need to eat more (achieving that now) and if you really want to get big you gotta do roids. Those guys look like they lift, I go to another gym now full of guys who are alot more open about their usage but don't look like they lift. So alot of truth in what you are saying there Lean! I have low testosterone, I'm blaming low calorie high carb fuelled marathon running for that so I'm taking the slow road back to a better body composition and hopefully a better testosterone level. If that doesn't work I'll try Smonts HCG recommendation and if that doesn't work steroids it is.
 
"If an alpha cedrene based approach is found to be effective in humans....."

The only research I'm aware of was conducted on mice and those researchers in the conclusion state the above.

That's not to say research is the be all and end all. A general worry I have is about how researchers measure increased muscle mass, few studies take biopsies, so could the increase just be water weight? With the study I quoted above they did note new muscle fibres so I hope it does translate over to humans and hopefully loads of people are messaging you saying how it is building muscle, I'm not privvy to those though and there's a lack of guys reporting results on here and dosages being taken.

I'll break my reply down in parts.

Studies:
The first studies on almost anything are going to be done on mice in order to determine if it is viable to do further testing, including on humans.

Whether more is done usually depends on if the initial researchers are able to get funding to do more or if other researchers do at some point.

Your comments on water weight:
I know that you were making a generalized statement about studies in general, and in some cases if only total weight were looked at, then that may apply; but most studies are going to go into details and researchers aren't going to state something built muscle if it only caused weight gain, they would say weight gain, not building muscle.

With a-Cedrene, it definitely isn't water because the study itself showed muscle and also because the real world consensus feedback is that it helps with recomp and making people look and feel tighter and harder.

In regards to your statement:
there's a lack of guys reporting results on here and dosages being taken

The forums aren't as active as they used to be, as there are many people that read but don't post, but there is a 10 page thread with a lot of feedback as well as feedback in various other threads.

You've also received feedback in this thread, both on Alpha One and on building muscle in general.

Supplements can help build muscle through a variety of pathways and we offer a wide variety of supplements to address the different pathways. Some of these pathways are direct and some may be indirect - for example, if something helps increase strength, then that is helping you build muscle if your diet is conducive to it. Supplements are a tool to help us, but it is important to remember that building muscle is a process and diet and training is crucial to maximizing the amount of muscle that a person builds.

Alpha One is going to help build muscle, but like most things, its going to help build muscle with consistent use. If someone is looking for something that is going to put on a massive amount of weight fast, two things I would tell anyone is that - 1) that's not a realistic expectation with natural supplements unless one is new to training or coming back to training after a long break (muscle memory) 2) If something puts weight on someone super fast, it is almost always going to be water weight, not muscle.

The feedback on Alpha One is that is good for lean muscle gains, recomp, muscle fullness, pumps, and a lot of people see endurance benefits.

I hope that helps.
 
I'll break my reply down in parts.

Studies:
The first studies on almost anything are going to be done on mice in order to determine if it is viable to do further testing, including on humans.

Whether more is done usually depends on if the initial researchers are able to get funding to do more or if other researchers do at some point.

Your comments on water weight:
I know that you were making a generalized statement about studies in general, and in some cases if only total weight were looked at, then that may apply; but most studies are going to go into details and researchers aren't going to state something built muscle if it only caused weight gain, they would say weight gain, not building muscle.

With a-Cedrene, it definitely isn't water because the study itself showed muscle and also because the real world consensus feedback is that it helps with recomp and making people look and feel tighter and harder.

In regards to your statement:
there's a lack of guys reporting results on here and dosages being taken

The forums aren't as active as they used to be, as there are many people that read but don't post, but there is a 10 page thread with a lot of feedback as well as feedback in various other threads.

You've also received feedback in this thread, both on Alpha One and on building muscle in general.

Supplements can help build muscle through a variety of pathways and we offer a wide variety of supplements to address the different pathways. Some of these pathways are direct and some may be indirect - for example, if something helps increase strength, then that is helping you build muscle if your diet is conducive to it. Supplements are a tool to help us, but it is important to remember that building muscle is and diet and training is crucial to maximizing the amount of muscle that a person builds.

Alpha One is going to help build muscle, but like most things, its going to help build muscle with consistent use. If someone is looking for something that is going to put on a massive amount of weight fast, two things I would tell anyone is that - 1) that's not a realistic expectation with natural supplements unless one is new to training or coming back to training after a long break (muscle memory) 2) If something puts weight on someone super fast, it is almost always going to be water weight, not muscle.

The feedback on Alpha One is that is good for lean muscle gains, recomp, muscle fullness, pumps, and a lot of people see endurance benefits.

I hope that helps.
The main point I was trying to make is that in mice alpha cedrene has been shown to be an effective muscle building supplement that builds muscle mass. However no study has been conducted on humans so it is an open question as to whether or not it will have the same effect as it did on mice. This wasn't a dig at your supplement I was just clarifying that mice are not humans and to assume the effects will be the same is not certain, but it might do. It is that 'might' that prompted me to buy a bottle and to ask for people's experiences of it on here. Please don't take my posting as in anyway designed to harm your business, my post that you responded to was positive in tone but recognised the limits of current research, which is important as it allows people to make informed decisions.
 
"If an alpha cedrene based approach is found to be effective in humans....."

The only research I'm aware of was conducted on mice and those researchers in the conclusion state the above.

That's not to say research is the be all and end all. A general worry I have is about how researchers measure increased muscle mass, few studies take biopsies, so could the increase just be water weight? With the study I quoted above they did note new muscle fibres so I hope it does translate over to humans and hopefully loads of people are messaging you saying how it is building muscle, I'm not privvy to those though and there's a lack of guys reporting results on here and dosages being taken.

I'll break my reply down in parts.

Studies:
The first studies on almost anything are going to be done on mice in order to determine if it is viable to do further testing, including on humans.

Whether more is done usually depends on if the initial researchers are able to get funding to do more or if other researchers do at some point.

Your comments on water weight:
I know that you were making a generalized statement about studies in general, and in some cases if only total weight were looked at, then that may apply; but most studies are going to go into details and researchers aren't going to state something built muscle if it only caused weight gain, they would say weight gain, not building muscle.

With a-Cedrene, it definitely isn't water because the study itself showed muscle and also because the real world consensus feedback is that it helps with recomp and making people look and feel tighter and harder.

In regards to your statement:
there's a lack of guys reporting results on here and dosages being taken

The forums aren't as active as they used to be, as there are many people that read but don't post, but there is a 10 page thread with a lot of feedback as well as feedback in various other threads.

You've also received feedback in this thread, both on Alpha One and on building muscle in general.

Supplements can help build muscle through a variety of pathways and we offer a wide variety of supplements to address the different pathways. Some of these pathways are direct and some may be indirect - for example, if something helps increase strength, then that is helping you build muscle if your diet is conducive to it. Supplements are a tool to help us, but it is important to remember that building muscle is a process and diet and training is crucial to maximizing the amount of muscle that a person builds.

Alpha One is going to help build muscle, but like most things, its going to help build muscle with consistent use. If someone is looking for something that is going to put on a massive amount of weight fast, two things I would tell anyone is that - 1) that's not a realistic expectation with natural supplements unless one is new to training or coming back to training after a long break (muscle memory) 2) If something puts weight on someone super fast, it is almost always going to be water weight, not muscle.

The feedback on Alpha One is that is good for lean muscle gains, recomp, muscle fullness, pumps, and a lot of people see endurance benefits.

I hope that helps.

The main point I was trying to make is that in mice alpha cedrene has been shown to be an effective muscle building supplement that builds muscle mass. However no study has been conducted on humans so it is an open question as to whether or not it will have the same effect as it did on mice. This wasn't a dig at your supplement I was just clarifying that mice are not humans and to assume the effects will be the same is not certain, but it might do. It is that 'might' that prompted me to buy a bottle and to ask for people's experiences of it on here. Please don't take my posting as in anyway designed to harm your business, my post that you responded to was positive in tone but recognised the limits of current research, which is important as it allows people to make informed decisions.
I like studies a lot before diving into something, but I also tend to get study burnout because IMO the best case study is the one on me, for me. People can tell me until they're blue in the face that something does or doesn't work but if my experience is the opposite then I'm sticking with my personal case study.

I haven't had a lot of success with various fat burners for instance, but I have felt noticeable effects from products like Alpha One and Phosphatidic Acid XT. Same with Carnitine, to me that's another sleeper supplement that people overlook.
 
I like studies a lot before diving into something, but I also tend to get study burnout because IMO the best case study is the one on me, for me. People can tell me until they're blue in the face that something does or doesn't work but if my experience is the opposite then I'm sticking with my personal case study.

I haven't had a lot of success with various fat burners for instance, but I have felt noticeable effects from products like Alpha One and Phosphatidic Acid XT. Same with Carnitine, to me that's another sleeper supplement that people overlook.
I found carnitine to be excellent at giving me the ability to just keep going at running without it causing a general buzzed up feeling when not exercising.
 
I found carnitine to be excellent at giving me the ability to just keep going at running without it causing a general buzzed up feeling when not exercising.
I started out on redcon1's carnitine and thought I had fantastic results on a cut, I truly thought it contributed. I tried other carnitines and found that they give me digestive issues when taken in high enough doses to really "feel". When I switched to XPG Carnitine (transdermal) I felt like I was getting all the OOMPF! of Carnitine on a half dose, with zero digestive issues so it's a staple I keep in the toolbox now.
 
The main point I was trying to make is that in mice alpha cedrene has been shown to be an effective muscle building supplement that builds muscle mass. However no study has been conducted on humans so it is an open question as to whether or not it will have the same effect as it did on mice. This wasn't a dig at your supplement I was just clarifying that mice are not humans and to assume the effects will be the same is not certain, but it might do. It is that 'might' that prompted me to buy a bottle and to ask for people's experiences of it on here. Please don't take my posting as in anyway designed to harm your business, my post that you responded to was positive in tone but recognised the limits of current research, which is important as it allows people to make informed decisions.

I didn't take it positively or negatively, I just answered point by point.

I addressed exactly what you said point by point, including the part where you said - "there's a lack of guys reporting results on here and dosages being taken" - and pointing out that there is a 10 page feedback and discussion thread on here plus people giving you feedback in this thread itself.

I explained that the first studies on almost anything are mice studies and then things go from there.

I also addressed diet, protein, and calorie intake as others have in this thread in reply to things you've said about your diet.
 
I’ve taken it with other supplements my first stack was A1 and Prime. Really great stack. I’ve taken it with other supplements AXT, AE, Prime, etc and I think it’s great in any stack for any goal. I have a nice recomp on it, great pumps, strength, and I’m going to add it in on the end of my winter bulk stack.
 
great pumps, strength, and I’m going to add it in on the end of my winter bulk stack.
Agreed. When it comes to pump and strength increase it's at the top of my natty supplement list.
 
Agreed. When it comes to pump and strength increase it's at the top of my natty supplement list.
Really really good pumps on this like super good, I call it pumps but if it lasts for a while when not taking it I suppose it would be characterised as muscle fullness.
 
How would this work for someone like me who trains fasted, would it still be beneficial if i take it later in the evening with my meal?
 
How would this work for someone like me who trains fasted, would it still be beneficial if i take it later in the evening with my meal?

The results from Alpha One don't have anything to do with pre-workout timing.

The main thing is to use it daily for best results.

A lot of people like to take it pre-workout because it helps with pumps, but it helps with muscle fullness in general if taking it any time of day.

We suggest taking it with a meal, at least the first few weeks of taking it, because increasing your cAMP levels can cause stomach discomfort in some people and taking it with food can help offset that. Most people can take it on an empty stomach fine with no issues, but we suggest it with food just in case.
 
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