first cycle Halodrol

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Hi everyone, I'm a 30yrs, I've been training for 8 years, i am 77kg, 174cm, 15% b.f.
I'm considering to start my first pro hormone cycle.
I've choosen halodrol since il seems mild on side effects, I can take halodrol from swiss pharmaceuticals 30mg.
My plan is 60/60/60/60/60 (five weeks total)
PCT clomid 50/25/25/25
Do you thing it is a well made firt cycle? thank you in advance?
any suggestion is appreciated
 
Are the raws for stuff like halodrol still available? The last time I used hdrol it was from Brawn but even they don't make it anymore (at least I don't think they do), so I just assumed it wasn't available.

If it's legit hdrol that cycle seems fine. I personally like hdrol around 75mgs and have probably gone past 100mgs several times. I would consider getting another bottle in case you wanted to run it higher or longer.
 
I would get a another bottle, extend the cycle to 6 with the option to go up to 90.

75 is where you start to notice it, I like it at 100-125.

60,60,90,90,90,90 would be a significantly more productive cycle. It's good to start low and get the most out the lowest dose. But there's nothing worse than shutting down your natural testosterone production and going through a cycle without really getting much out of it either. And 90 is not a really high dose either, 60-90 would be a good first cycle.
I used to use hdrol a lot in my mid to late 20's. I've never experienced a single side effect from it that doesn't mean you won't but it's pretty forgiving for the large majority of people.

200-400mg of 4andro would help too, it would make the whole cycle better without adding much if any additional stress.

The only thing I would add is that just as a precaution, everyone who cycles should have a AI on hand. Even with non aromatizing compounds. Weird stuff can happen on cycle and in PCT sometimes.

I don't want to scare you. 4 Andro + hdrol is about as mild as you get yet still a reasonable cycle to make real progress
 
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Are the raws for stuff like halodrol still available? The last time I used hdrol it was from Brawn but even they don't make it anymore (at least I don't think they do), so I just assumed it wasn't available.

If it's legit hdrol that cycle seems fine. I personally like hdrol around 75mgs and have probably gone past 100mgs several times. I would consider getting another bottle in case you wanted to run it higher or longer.
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The halodrol i found is from Swiss Pharmaceuticals, anyone has ever used it?
why do you suggest to stack halodrol with 1andro? do you have some products to suggest that contain this coumpund?
Clomid should be enough or i should dtke nolvadex too? I've never used hormonal products and I'm afraid of hpta shutdown that's why I choosed Halodrol since it seems one of the mildest pro-hormones.
What type of gains do you get from it?
thank you for your help
 
The halodrol i found is from Swiss Pharmaceuticals, anyone has ever used it?
why do you suggest to stack halodrol with 1andro? do you have some products to suggest that contain this coumpund?
Clomid should be enough or i should dtke nolvadex too? I've never used hormonal products and I'm afraid of hpta shutdown that's why I choosed Halodrol since it seems one of the mildest pro-hormones.
What type of gains do you get from it?
thank you for your help
1 andro is definitely going to cause shutdown so don’t add that in.

As @Smont suggested, stack it with 4 andro.

I ran Halodrol a while ago, 14lbs of weight gain, strength, no sides to report. 100mg for 8 weeks
 
1 andro is definitely going to cause shutdown so don’t add that in.

As @Smont suggested, stack it with 4 andro.

I ran Halodrol a while ago, 14lbs of weight gain, strength, no sides to report. 100mg for 8 weeks
I think I see some confusion and there's not much logic in your opening statement about 1 andro, and I'm only pointing this out because you tagged me in the post and I see a lot of ppl make this assumption or thought process on what is suppression/shutdown. H-drol is going to cause shutdown/suppression, more than 1 andro. Shutdown is part of a cycle. Adding 4 Andro will also cause more shutdown just like real testosterone would cause more shutdown. Steroids cause shutdown, it's part of the cycle. If a cycle doesn't shut you down or supress you, it's likely it didn't do much in the first place. (Suppression is actually the correct word I'm looking for) shutdown would be more like when you bottom out. 4 Andro will help avoiding the feeling and the side effects of shutdown but it does not prevent you from being shut down. Even when you're on testosterone, you're shut down and the testosterone number that you have is artificial. Your supplying it, not making it.
On 4 Andro most guys will still have lower end testosterone on cycle, Ive seen a lot of blood work on 4 andro show like 400-500 total test and normal to slightly elevated estrogen, (sometimes high estrogen even. But that mediocre testosterone level and the estrogen is actually what's helping you feel good as opposed to not having the 4 Andro and risking crashing your estrogen (which probably won't happen in a short 4 to 6 weeks cycle but it is possible)

There's lots of things to consider, and they're normally not very black and white answers.

This last part is for everybody, when your goal on a cycle is to avoid shutdown that means your goal is also not to build muscle because there's very little muscle that's going to be built on your natural hormones. If a product you're taking is not strong enough to shut down your natural hormones to some degree then it's likely not strong enough to build much muscle.

This is why nobody gets jacked on Epi Andro or proviron or like compounds. Now that doesn't mean they don't have a place, I actually love epiandro. But I like it at 900-1200mg or more. And at that dose it very likely is contributing to suppression.

And while trt is not a option for many ppl. The reason most guys use testosterone and run test in-between cycles is because if your goal is to build muscle and maintaining it and remain feeling good and functional in-between running 2-3 cycles a year for years, ya test will prevent a lot of the issues on and in between cycles.

And of course everyone is different and there's 10 million variables, nothing is set in stone, but there are things that are to normally be expected
 
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Thank you for your advices,
so what's the final verdict for my first cycle?
Can i do Halodrol 60/60/90/90/90/90 follwed by Clomid 50/50/25/25?
Should I add more in my PCT like Nolvadex? Should I add some liver protection?
Thank You.
 
I Know that is difficoult giving some numers but what type of results can i expect in terms of weight and lean body mass? I'm planning a 350/400 kcal surplus eating 2.5g of protein/kg of body weight.
I train 3x week
 
I Know that is difficoult giving some numers but what type of results can i expect in terms of weight and lean body mass? I'm planning a 350/400 kcal surplus eating 2.5g of protein/kg of body weight.
I train 3x week
I've tried to think of ways to answer this question because I usually say there's no way to tell. But I think this is the best explanation I can give without making a total guess, and there's kinda a answer at the end I promise 😁

If we're doing enough in the gym and progressively overloading on our exercises, beating the log book if you will. So if training is on point, your calorie surplus is going to determine your rate of weight gain. + The cosmetic effects like just being more full and pumped from the extra glycogen storage that comes on a little gear, So let's say your eating enough food to gain 2-3lbs per week and not significantly more so you avoid putting on a bunch of fat. Id expect you to gain about 20lbs in 6 weeks of what would look like mostly solid mass gains. So I do believe by the end of that cycle, doing everything optimal, you could get in 20 good looking pounds of mass.

Now after the cycle, id expect that extra glycogen to deplete and you loose the water that comes with it you would drop a good 10pounds in PCT. If it's your first or second cycle then it will probably be mostly good weight. Gaining a pound of muscle per week on a cycle is pretty good
 
Thank you for your advices,
so what's the final verdict for my first cycle?
Can i do Halodrol 60/60/90/90/90/90 follwed by Clomid 50/50/25/25?
Should I add more in my PCT like Nolvadex? Should I add some liver protection?
Thank You.
That cycle looks good to me. As far as PCT, you don't need more than that. You might even be able to just run 25 straight through. People often start clomid higher than they need to in my opinion.

For liver protection I would throw in some TUDCA. No good reason not to.
 
For liver protection I would throw in some TUDCA. No good reason not to.
Agreed here. Some CEL Tudca would definitely not hurt!
 
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