Sust,npp,mast

[Smokey8766]

I'm currently on 200mg/w test cyp for my trt.

My sups are coq10,dhea,k2+d3,nattokinase,astragalus,multi,citrus bergamot,red yeast rice,fish oil,turmeric,l-tyrosine, b12,b6 ,and some glutathione here and there.And telmisartan daily at 40mg.

Just picked up 6 -10ml of sust250, 8 -10ml-mast 200,6-10ml of npp100 . I've also got some var laying around . I might add in some gh or mk.

Probably gonna run 500sust,300npp,600 mast for atleast 12 weeks . Was wondering if I should start lower then bump up the dose. I think a member named Hyde once told me to bump it up midway like a second gear. I've got some extra mast so I could cruise back on my trt w some added mast to help keeps some gains better. Anyone's insite can't hurt

 

[Smokey8766]

@Hyde

 

[Hyde]

Yeah you just don’t need as much to get results initially when you’re fresh to start a blast. Try something like 300 test, 200 NPP & 400 mast out the gate for a month or so before you hit those full doses. That’s 900mg, plenty when coming from a cruise of 200. Makes it easier to get your body ready for 1,400 instead of just starting at peak dosages. You will have less sides, preserve health markers slightly a bit longer, and still get full growth out of the gate. Then you can run the blast a tad longer too for the same total drug exposure, as it stretches your gear out a little further too.

 

[Smokey8766]

Yeah you just don’t need as much to get results initially when you’re fresh to start a blast. Try something like 300 test, 200 NPP & 400 mast out the gate for a month or so before you hit those full doses. That’s 900mg, plenty when coming from a cruise of 200. Makes it easier to get your body ready for 1,400 instead of just starting at peak dosages. You will have less sides, preserve health markers slightly a bit longer, and still get full growth out of the gate. Then you can run the blast a tad longer too for the same total drug exposure, as it stretches your gear out a little further too.

Yeah thanks bro your insite is much appreciated. You think running the npp eod is best, then after I'll go up to Ed when I go to 500,600,300,probably what I'll do. I made sure my mast is legit with roidtest. I also get really good results with androgens like at 325test200eq I'm at 2850ng . I'm looking forward to this blast.im 44 now I'm gonna do this and probably only trt+ in the future once a year with mast added on or low dose var pwo. I try to keep my health in check. Thanks again for the help.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah thanks bro your insite is much appreciated. You think running the npp eod is best, then after I'll go up to Ed when I go to 500,600,300,probably what I'll do. I made sure my mast is legit with roidtest. I also get really good results with androgens like at 325test200eq I'm at 2850ng . I'm looking forward to this blast.im 44 now I'm gonna do this and probably only trt+ in the future once a year with mast added on or low dose var pwo. I try to keep my health in check. Thanks again for the help.

I don’t really use NPP; I respond horribly to it side-wise. But it’s plenty long enough ester to do eod, so especially early on when that’s more convenient you might as well. Later when you have more oil, it can be easier to do more shots if trying to do mainly slinpins.

 

[Smokey8766]

I don’t really use NPP; I respond horribly to it side-wise. But it’s plenty long enough ester to do eod, so especially early on when that’s more convenient you might as well. Later when you have more oil, it can be easier to do more shots if trying to do mainly slinpins.

I've only used deca b4 and I was fine, so this is my first time w npp but it's basically the same stuff. When I did deca was w sust in 2005 ,and I ran 500t/400d I got great results tho.no sides . Yeah when I up the dose I'll start the subq Ed probably

 

[Smont]

I would start all three of these at what I consider to be the lowest effective dose and just build my doses up every couple weeks.

Maybe something like test, mast, NPP @ 300,300,100
Then After 4 to 6 weeks I might go 450,450,150
4-6 weeks later 600,600,200. I'm not suggesting these are the doses, I think this is what I would do if I was the one using these compounds.

I also want to add that to me, Deca and NPP are not basically the same stuff, I know on paper they are but I don't feel that they act the same way.

Even 50-100mg deca added to my TRT or Cycle and I've got gyno symptoms within 2 weeks.

NPP I can make it about 4-6 weeks on 200-300mg and then I start getting some of the side effects but they're still not as in your face as if I was using the same amount of deca.


I also want to add that you need to be careful and make sure your master on is Master on because a lot of it has been test prop lately. Lots of people have been getting test prop labeled as mast. So make sure you're very confident in your supplier, because if that extra masteron is just test prop you're going to aromatize like crazy on this cycle.

Other than that I think it's a great cycle to grow on

 

[Smokey8766]

I would start all three of these at what I consider to be the lowest effective dose and just build my doses up every couple weeks.

Maybe something like test, mast, NPP @ 300,300,100
Then After 4 to 6 weeks I might go 450,450,150
4-6 weeks later 600,600,200. I'm not suggesting these are the doses, I think this is what I would do if I was the one using these compounds.

I also want to add that to me, Deca and NPP are not basically the same stuff, I know on paper they are but I don't feel that they act the same way.

Even 50-100mg deca added to my TRT or Cycle and I've got gyno symptoms within 2 weeks.

NPP I can make it about 4-6 weeks on 200-300mg and then I start getting some of the side effects but they're still not as in your face as if I was using the same amount of deca.


I also want to add that you need to be careful and make sure your master on is Master on because a lot of it has been test prop lately. Lots of people have been getting test prop labeled as mast. So make sure you're very confident in your supplier, because if that extra masteron is just test prop you're going to aromatize like crazy on this cycle.

Other than that I think it's a great cycle to grow on

Yeah bro I started at 300t,400m,200npp on. Monday. So 125sust on Monday with 50npp and 200mast. Wed I did 50mg of cyp and 50 mg npp Friday I'll take another 125sust 50npp 200mast ,over the weekend I'll take another 50mg of npp.

My first cycle I did 500sust 400deca with no ai. This is back I like 04 or 03 can't really remember I was fine. As dumb as that was. About 10 weeks in I started not to get sour but just a little puffy only in my left ripple but it was more like a little lump but very small didn't really bother me. I ran that for 12 weeks. This is not counting taking var before that and dbol a few years back as a pwo.but I never really got sides bad but my next blast I did sust primo and winny and used like .25 Arimadex eod this time a older gym bro told me to run a ai,that deca and test stack I different dude told me I'd be fine at that dose without. It was pretty much just bro science then. But deca did me good man I got real big off 500t,400deca

But yeah you gotta check your gear now first thing I did was roidtest the mast and it came back mast. I was skeptical my old friend of 30years just started getting into training and taking gear said to me one of his friends got a great connect now fir like past 3years and told him to get threw them he told me the prices and I was like man can't be true. I got the sust for 18ea the npp for 21and mast for like 30 each .and there's a shortage now apparently on mast and primo.

But I'm starting at 300t,400mast,200npp with no ai because I know I get real mast. But I might start .25arimadex eod my pre bloodwork a couple months ago was at 42e2 I think. Not like I'll crash my e2 on quarter mg of adex eod. Hard to tell with out getting bloods done but go by feel I guess what do you think? I heard it's better no ai if you can do so

 

[Smont]

Yeah bro I started at 300t,400m,200npp on. Monday. So 125sust on Monday with 50npp and 200mast. Wed I did 50mg of cyp and 50 mg npp Friday I'll take another 125sust 50npp 200mast ,over the weekend I'll take another 50mg of npp.

My first cycle I did 500sust 400deca with no ai. This is back I like 04 or 03 can't really remember I was fine. As dumb as that was. About 10 weeks in I started not to get sour but just a little puffy only in my left ripple but it was more like a little lump but very small didn't really bother me. I ran that for 12 weeks. This is not counting taking var before that and dbol a few years back as a pwo.but I never really got sides bad but my next blast I did sust primo and winny and used like .25 Arimadex eod this time a older gym bro told me to run a ai,that deca and test stack I different dude told me I'd be fine at that dose without. It was pretty much just bro science then. But deca did me good man I got real big off 500t,400deca

But yeah you gotta check your gear now first thing I did was roidtest the mast and it came back mast. I was skeptical my old friend of 30years just started getting into training and taking gear said to me one of his friends got a great connect now fir like past 3years and told him to get threw them he told me the prices and I was like man can't be true. I got the sust for 18ea the npp for 21and mast for like 30 each .and there's a shortage now apparently on mast and primo.

But I'm starting at 300t,400mast,200npp with no ai because I know I get real mast. But I might start .25arimadex eod my pre bloodwork a couple months ago was at 42e2 I think. Not like I'll crash my e2 on quarter mg of adex eod. Hard to tell with out getting bloods done but go by feel I guess what do you think? I heard it's better no ai if you can do so

Those are amazing prices, I have a pretty good local guy who's $25 for test and I think primo is like $60 and those are actually really good prices, yours blow them out of the water though lol.

Most online retailers sell test $50-60 and more exotic stuff $80-100+.

I guarantee you your source is a home Brewer. That's the only way you can afford to sell things for those prices. That doesn't mean anything bad though that's a great hookup

 

[Smokey8766]

Those are amazing prices, I have a pretty good local guy who's $25 for test and I think primo is like $60 and those are actually really good prices, yours blow them out of the water though lol.

Most online retailers sell test $50-60 and more exotic stuff $80-100+.

I guarantee you your source is a home Brewer. That's the only way you can afford to sell things for those prices. That doesn't mean anything bad though that's a great hookup

Yeah I'm pretty happy with it man I payed 335 that includes the bitcoin fee for 18bottles and 200 10mgvar. Then I gave my buddy an extra 60 for two of his mast. I felt strong already 3 days in I trained legs today,but I noticed a Lil bit of a temple headache. I have to get a blood pressure watch. I'm always on 40 telmisartan, but I might bump it up to 80mg on cycle just to be safe. Bro I can dm you a Pic of a vial. They got a site. Or send you a link if you want

 

[Hyde]

Yeah I'm pretty happy with it man I payed 335 that includes the bitcoin fee for 18bottles and 200 10mgvar. Then I gave my buddy an extra 60 for two of his mast. I felt strong already 3 days in I trained legs today,but I noticed a Lil bit of a temple headache. I have to get a blood pressure watch. I'm always on 40 telmisartan, but I might bump it up to 80mg on cycle just to be safe. Bro I can dm you a Pic of a vial. They got a site. Or send you a link if you want

Take your BP asap; would bet you a vial you will want to double your Telmisartan to 80/day after starting this blast. Especially with NPP. You can order on Amazon today if you don’t have a better local option.

 

[Smokey8766]

Take your BP asap; would bet you a vial you will want to double your Telmisartan to 80/day after starting this blast. Especially with NPP. You can order on Amazon today if you don’t have a better local option.

Bro it's crazy by wensday I was coming home from work getting a temple headache and I knew exactly what is was trained legs and went home and took another 40mgs and immediately felt better. Yeah bro i got like a dozen 80mg 30count bottles I Normally take half a day on trt but gonna be taking 80 during. You think I should do 40am 40 pm? Or 80 am? I'm pretty lucky w anything pharma I get cheap I pay like 5bucks a bottle.so I stock up on **** like that

 

[wfreiling]

Yeah bro I started at 300t,400m,200npp on. Monday. So 125sust on Monday with 50npp and 200mast. Wed I did 50mg of cyp and 50 mg npp Friday I'll take another 125sust 50npp 200mast ,over the weekend I'll take another 50mg of npp.

My first cycle I did 500sust 400deca with no ai. This is back I like 04 or 03 can't really remember I was fine. As dumb as that was. About 10 weeks in I started not to get sour but just a little puffy only in my left ripple but it was more like a little lump but very small didn't really bother me. I ran that for 12 weeks. This is not counting taking var before that and dbol a few years back as a pwo.but I never really got sides bad but my next blast I did sust primo and winny and used like .25 Arimadex eod this time a older gym bro told me to run a ai,that deca and test stack I different dude told me I'd be fine at that dose without. It was pretty much just bro science then. But deca did me good man I got real big off 500t,400deca

But yeah you gotta check your gear now first thing I did was roidtest the mast and it came back mast. I was skeptical my old friend of 30years just started getting into training and taking gear said to me one of his friends got a great connect now fir like past 3years and told him to get threw them he told me the prices and I was like man can't be true. I got the sust for 18ea the npp for 21and mast for like 30 each .and there's a shortage now apparently on mast and primo.

But I'm starting at 300t,400mast,200npp with no ai because I know I get real mast. But I might start .25arimadex eod my pre bloodwork a couple months ago was at 42e2 I think. Not like I'll crash my e2 on quarter mg of adex eod. Hard to tell with out getting bloods done but go by feel I guess what do you think? I heard it's better no ai if you can do so

Does your source supply janoshik testing? Those prices would be amazing if so. Mast prop is very hard to find right now with the janoshik to back it up.

 

[Smokey8766]

Does your source supply janoshik testing? Those prices would be amazing if so. Mast prop is very hard to find right now with the janoshik to back it up.

Idk bro it's just someone I know who's been getting from a online site so I put a order in w him. I only went on the site once. I didn't look into it.but my friends buddy from the gym been using them for over3 years and always legit,but I used roidtest just to be sure anyway and was 100%

 

[wfreiling]

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Idk bro it's just someone I know who's been getting from a online site so I put a order in w him. I only went on the site once. I didn't look into it.but my friends buddy from the gym been using them for over years and always legit,but I used roidtest just to be sure anyway and was [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]%

Gotcha. Roidtest isn’t very accurate. Not saying you didn’t get what you paid for but just something to consider in the future.

 

[Smokey8766]

Gotcha. Roidtest isn’t very accurate. Not saying you didn’t get what you paid for but just something to consider in the future.

Yeah I kinda noticed the tests didn't come back as full color on the chart like they were the right color but kinda light looking the eq I did in april was the same way light but it was legit when I used it.

 

[wfreiling]

Yeah I kinda noticed the tests didn't come back as full color on the chart like they were the right color but kinda light looking the eq I did in april was the same way light but it was legit when I used it.

So legit is one thing, dosed correctly is another. There’s no way of knowing if that mast prop is actually 100mg/ml. This is why real sources supply janoshik testing on their finished product or offer store credit for blind testing by the consumer. I wanna know exactly what I’m doing. Especially now that sources are going to India for raws with the shortage. No way in hell I’d ever inject that.

 

[Smokey8766]

So legit is one thing, dosed correctly is another. There’s no way of knowing if that mast prop is actually 100mg/ml. This is why real sources supply janoshik testing on their finished product or offer store credit for blind testing by the consumer. I wanna know exactly what I’m doing. Especially now that sources are going to India for raws with the shortage. No way in hell I’d ever inject that.

Yeah you would never no unless you buy raw,but it was mast e. And yeah I believe alot of anything is underdosed. Even more with pharma gear I stopped going to cvs for that reason.now I get my trt filled thru a compounding pharmacy. But so far I'm liking this stuff I'm 4 days in and am holding a great pump still and am super sour from legs yesterday. But I'm Def a good responder my bloods at 325mg weekly of cyp is 2850 at 200mg w 250mcg hcg 2times a week I'm a little over 1500

 

[Hyde]

Bro it's crazy by wensday I was coming home from work getting a temple headache and I knew exactly what is was trained legs and went home and took another 40mgs and immediately felt better. Yeah bro i got like a dozen 80mg 30count bottles I Normally take half a day on trt but gonna be taking 80 during. You think I should do 40am 40 pm? Or 80 am? I'm pretty lucky w anything pharma I get cheap I pay like 5bucks a bottle.so I stock up on **** like that

Dose it all at once; it has like a 24hr half life and is administered once daily usually (unless 160mg is used).

Roidtest does make a semiquantitative testosterone test for ~200mg/ml. Good way to see if your source is lazy/skimming. If you’d bother to short test, nothing is going to be right for sure.

 

[Smokey8766]

Dose it all at once; it has like a 24hr half life and is administered once daily usually (unless 160mg is used).

Roidtest does make a semiquantitative testosterone test for ~200mg/ml. Good way to see if your source is lazy/skimming. If you’d bother to short test, nothing is going to be right for sure.

10-4 yeah I thought it was once daily. Good to know about the test. Yeah if there gonna skim somthing cheap like test makes sense. I'm getting a good pump now even at 4days in and a couple pins of test and 2- 50mg pins of npp and a shot of mast so I know the gears probably what it says it is I'm definitely fuller and stronger already. I do great w nandrolone. I cut down for a few weeks b4 w slu .but probably won't run it on cycle it's gonna be a waste cuz I'm starting to get hungry real quick.ill probably just use some l- carn,b6,b12 ,mic blend pwo during this blast and a pump blend on arm day I like half a mil in each triceps. But I'm trying to be healthy w the bp and ancillary I started .25 Adex eod .I think the daily supps Def help too.i can get my bloods done whenever I want my friends get a wellness clinic I just pay the lab fee. You think 4 weeks in is good to check e2 test and enzymes or get a full panel with cholesterol? Like what what you do for bloods?

 

[Hyde]

10-4 yeah I thought it was once daily. Good to know about the test. Yeah if there gonna skim somthing cheap like test makes sense. I'm getting a good pump now even at 4days in and a couple pins of test and 2- 50mg pins of npp and a shot of mast so I know the gears probably what it says it is I'm definitely fuller and stronger already. I do great w nandrolone. I cut down for a few weeks b4 w slu .but probably won't run it on cycle it's gonna be a waste cuz I'm starting to get hungry real quick.ill probably just use some l- carn,b6,b12 ,mic blend pwo during this blast and a pump blend on arm day I like half a mil in each triceps. But I'm trying to be healthy w the bp and ancillary I started .25 Adex eod .I think the daily supps Def help too.i can get my bloods done whenever I want my friends get a wellness clinic I just pay the lab fee. You think 4 weeks in is good to check e2 test and enzymes or get a full panel with cholesterol? Like what what you do for bloods?

E2 most people wait 4-6 weeks before pulling.

I get a CMP, Lipids, CBC and Ferritin. This is a quick glance at organs and I especially care about how thick my blood is, as well as if I have high or low iron storage. If Ferritin is pretty high, donation may be in order, but if it’s low and you donate you’re going to crash your iron levels (Iron is transient in the blood so not accurate test to understand; Ferritin is essentially iron capacity & what you should watch). Plus I like to see what my lipids are doing.

If you suspect issues with liver or kidney, GGT & Cystatin C respectively are what you want to order for a real look. Like if your CMP numbers raise flags that disturb you.

Hs-CRP (C Reactive Protein) is ideal to check your cardiac inflammation if using a new gear source, or wondering how hard you’re pushing things in a blast peak. It should generally be super low, but high solvents will elevate it. If CRP is high and lipids are bad you’re speedrunning atherosclerosis.

 

[Smokey8766]

E2 most people wait 4-6 weeks before pulling.

I get a CMP, Lipids, CBC and Ferritin. This is a quick glance at organs and I especially care about how thick my blood is, as well as if I have high or low iron storage. If Ferritin is pretty high, donation may be in order, but if it’s low and you donate you’re going to crash your iron levels (Iron is transient in the blood so not accurate test to understand; Ferritin is essentially iron capacity & what you should watch). Plus I like to see what my lipids are doing.

If you suspect issues with liver or kidney, GGT & Cystatin C respectively are what you want to order for a real look. Like if your CMP numbers raise flags that disturb you.

Hs-CRP (C Reactive Protein) is ideal to check your cardiac inflammation if using a new gear source, or wondering how hard you’re pushing things in a blast peak. It should generally be super low, but high solvents will elevate it. If CRP is high and lipids are bad you’re speedrunning atherosclerosis.

Yeah bro thanks it's very important info. Thanks . Alright so I upped my telmisartan to 80 daily on Wednesday night but I noticed each day I pinned the npp I felt a elevation in my bp. Like a little that day then Friday I pinned 50mg more of npp and trained arms and halfway through my workout out started getting temple aches with viens popping out in my temples. I knew my bp was getting jacked up. So I checked my bp this morning after waking with the cuff and it was 155/89/75 then a few min later and was 133/80/85. Idk man I think on 80mg sartan and upon waking I'm that high I should probably drop the npp I consider that a bad enough side effect to stop. I'm considering just taking the same test and mast next week on. Like only on the two day I pinned npp I felt high bp symptoms at the end of the day and during training.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah bro thanks it's very important info. Thanks . Alright so I upped my telmisartan to 80 daily on Wednesday night but I noticed each day I pinned the npp I felt an elevation in my bp. Like a little that day then Friday I pinned 50mg more of npp and trained arms and halfway through my workout out started getting temple aches with viens popping out in my temples. I knew my bp was getting jacked up. So I checked my bp this morning after waking with the cuff and it was 155/89/75 then a few min later and was 133/80/85. Idk man I think on 80mg sartan and upon waking I'm that high I should probably drop the npp I consider that a bad enough side effect to stop. I'm considering just taking the same test and mast next week on. Like only on the two day I pinned npp I felt high bp symptoms at the end of the day and during training.

Maybe could lower the NPP while you give the 80 telmisartan a week and then ramp it? A lot of times the body has to adjust to whatever dose when new compounds first come in.

 

[Smokey8766]

Maybe could lower the NPP while you give the 80 telmisartan a week and then ramp it? A lot of times the body has to adjust to whatever dose when new compounds first come in.

Yeah maybe I'll take 25mg doses instead of 50 and I'll do 100mg instead of 150, but all I know is I haven't pinned npp since Friday at its Sunday and I feel great. Idk man I don't ever take much gear and it's every few years I'll do somthing. I've built my physique thru time slowly and to me it's not worth feeling lousy on cycle. Or getting adverse health effects just to look better than I normally do.i just do this for the purpose of looking good no intentions of competing ever and just for personal enjoyment.but I got 8 vials of mast and a couple hundred var this might just turn into mast and var pwo or just mast and sust. I'll give the npp another chance but the high bp scares me I'll see my bp in the am.

 

[Hyde]

Yeah maybe I'll take 25mg doses instead of 50 and I'll do 100mg instead of 150, but all I know is I haven't pinned npp since Friday at its Sunday and I feel great. Idk man I don't ever take much gear and it's every few years I'll do somthing. I've built my physique thru time slowly and to me it's not worth feeling lousy on cycle. Or getting adverse health effects just to look better than I normally do.i just do this for the purpose of looking good no intentions of competing ever and just for personal enjoyment.but I got 8 vials of mast and a couple hundred var this might just turn into mast and var pwo or just mast and sust. I'll give the npp another chance but the high bp scares me I'll see my bp in the am.

Yeah I like test mast and var but don’t do well with nandrolone myself

 

[Smokey8766]

Yeah I like test mast and var but don’t do well with nandrolone myself

It did 20years ago,but then was then. I'll just give it to someone rather then try to manipulate a dose that's tolerable. I'll probably up the mast and test a bit a few weeks in .and maybe the last 6-8 weeks add in some 10mg var pwo .my best look ever was sust,primo,winny. 500/400/50eod

 

[Smokey8766]

Yeah I like test mast and var but don’t do well with nandrolone myself

I took my sust and mast without npp today and no bp sides during training. I haven't used any sinceFriday. So im gonna try some tomorrow and see if it was just the sartan not working good enough yet, but seemed like the days i did npp got bp headaches.

 

[Smokey8766]

Those are amazing prices, I have a pretty good local guy who's $25 for test and I think primo is like $60 and those are actually really good prices, yours blow them out of the water though lol.

Most online retailers sell test $50-60 and more exotic stuff $80-100+.

I guarantee you your source is a home Brewer. That's the only way you can afford to sell things for those prices. That doesn't mean anything bad though that's a great hookup

Hey man I'm 3 weeks in on just sust and mast and starting to get good pumps in the gym. I'm 375sust 500 mast. Wanted to know how much mast I should go up too for the best results like I'm going up to 500t/600mast next week. For another 4 weeks then maybee up it some more.You think more mast will be better?planning on going 16weeks maybe more. I got 8 vials of mast so I can run a gram a week.Just don't know if it's worth it or not or better off staying at 600 for longer.i just don't have experience w dht only ran primo at 400 before and everyone said 400-600 but more was a waste

 

[Smont]

Hey man I'm 3 weeks in on just sust and mast and starting to get good pumps in the gym. I'm 375sust 500 mast. Wanted to know how much mast I should go up too for the best results like I'm going up to 500t/600mast next week. For another 4 weeks then maybee up it some more.You think more mast will be better?planning on going 16weeks maybe more. I got 8 vials of mast so I can run a gram a week.Just don't know if it's worth it or not or better off staying at 600 for longer.i just don't have experience w dht only ran primo at 400 before and everyone said 400-600 but more was a waste

I've never dosed my masteron higher then my test, I typically run them 50/50 and 450/450 was the most I did. I've also used those doses in combination with other gear so it's not like I'm only running 450 of each but I've never gone higher. And mainly the reason was because of availability and I always could find good quality EQ at 300 mg/ml for almost half the price of mast at 200mg/ml.

I don't have the first hand experience on that one. I can tell you that a very common protocol for mens physique is to run 300-500mg of test and very high mast. A gram is common dose. Even tho mast is more like a estrogen blocker and not a anti estrogen, in higher doses it definitely can lower estrogen, some people more then others so watch for low estrogen sides. I if you ever run mast and EQ together or mast and primo together you will really have to play around with the dosing. I definitely crushed my estrogen on 450 test and 450 EQ when I throw mast prop in at the end and I was only adding 350mast. I know that if I had done the mast with the test and no EQ I would have been fine, and I know if I had done the test in EQ and not added the mast I would have still been fine. So it's not one or the other but the combination of things so just be careful in what you add to the cycle.

 

[Smokey8766]

I've never dosed my masteron higher then my test, I typically run them 50/50 and 450/450 was the most I did. I've also used those doses in combination with other gear so it's not like I'm only running 450 of each but I've never gone higher. And mainly the reason was because of availability and I always could find good quality EQ at 300 mg/ml for almost half the price of mast at 200mg/ml.

I don't have the first hand experience on that one. I can tell you that a very common protocol for mens physique is to run 300-500mg of test and very high mast. A gram is common dose. Even tho mast is more like a estrogen blocker and not a anti estrogen, in higher doses it definitely can lower estrogen, some people more then others so watch for low estrogen sides. I if you ever run mast and EQ together or mast and primo together you will really have to play around with the dosing. I definitely crushed my estrogen on 450 test and 450 EQ when I throw mast prop in at the end and I was only adding 350mast. I know that if I had done the mast with the test and no EQ I would have been fine, and I know if I had done the test in EQ and not added the mast I would have still been fine. So it's not one or the other but the combination of things so just be careful in what you add to the cycle.

Yeah man good to know. I'm only going to add in some gh . Help me w sleep. And I got some var I'll use 10mg pwo the last 6-8 weeks.so 1-4 375/400 altho I added a extra half mil of mast last week. 4 -8will bee 500/600 and on thru out and 8-16will add some var pwo. And maybee another 200mg mast based off results. I can't get any gh because I don't have btc so I ordered some mk, I'll take before bed. To help w sleep. I just hope I don't get too hungry from it well see

 

[Hyde]

I really use Mast a lot around 400, don’t have much experience higher, besides 600 for a month pre-meet with test just as high.

I think if size and pumps and gym performance are ideal, you’ll want to keep the test up fairly high in proportion. You go with really high mast when size needs to stay basically in check, like cutting or powerlifting with no desire to gain any weight, only drive neural output up. I would not just crank mast up without adding test, or NPP, or Dbol/Trest/Anadrol - something to offset the dryness and keep the fullness/retention up as doses escalate.

 

[Smokey8766]

I really use Mast a lot around 400, don’t have much experience higher, besides 600 for a month pre-meet with test just as high.

I think if size and pumps and gym performance are ideal, you’ll want to keep the test up fairly high in proportion. You go with really high mast when size needs to stay basically in check, like cutting or powerlifting with no desire to gain any weight, only drive neural output up. I would not just crank mast up without adding test, or NPP, or Dbol/Trest/Anadrol - something to offset the dryness and keep the fullness/retention up as doses escalate.

Yeah I'm 1to1 ratio with the test and mast. It's too bad about my bp issue w the npp. It could have been a fun blast. I'm just not into ruining a perfectly good cycle for a Lil more gains. So I'll probably be at 500/600 for a while and add in some var pwo for the last 8 weeks.

 

[Smokey8766]

3 weeks in 1-2 300sust 400mast 3-4 375sust 500mast yesterday was the start of week4

 

[Smokey8766]

Couldn't get any gh so I got some mk adding in 25mg before bed now. So from now on I'm gonna start next week 500sust/600mast/25mk Ed from week 4-16 I might run it longer I got the gear. Any suggestions on bloodwork during? I'm at almost end of week4

 

[Hyde]

Couldn't get any gh so I got some mk adding in 25mg before bed now. So from now on I'm gonna start next week 500sust/600mast/25mk Ed from week 4-16 I might run it longer I got the gear. Any suggestions on bloodwork during? I'm at almost end of week4

You get bloodwork if you need to make a decision (like if you want to know estrogen, or if you are not sure if you are healthy enough to keep pushing) or to check on things to evaluate impact. The former should be done based on the timing of those needs, the latter is best to draw it at the end if you don’t know how harsh this cycle is on you.

I usually get bloods before I start to make sure I’m healthy, and at the very end to see the final damage at the worst point. I would get it during only if I wasn’t going to contest and the cycle length was totally up in the air.

 

[Smokey8766]

You get bloodwork if you need to make a decision (like if you want to know estrogen, or if you are not sure if you are healthy enough to keep pushing) or to check on things to evaluate impact. The former should be done based on the timing of those needs, the latter is best to draw it at the end if you don’t know how harsh this cycle is on you.

I usually get bloods before I start to make sure I’m healthy, and at the very end to see the final damage at the worst point. I would get it during only if I wasn’t going to contest and the cycle length was totally up in the air.

I'm gonna take bloods at 16 weeks then. I was gonna go that long but might go 20 based on progress I'm 5 weeks in now just upped to 500t/600mast making slow solid gains tho. My bp is perfect and zero sides. No ai either.i feel great.

 

[Smokey8766]

8 full weeks in forearm pump

 

[Hyde]

Sounds like things are treating you well

 

[Smokey8766]

Yeah man I'm getting good quality gains. Imo I think the slow constant gains is where it's at. I was gonna throw in some var pwo at week 8 but I'm starting week 9 on Monday and I'm still feeling like I'm getting good continuous progress. I'm gonna get bloods done before anything tho. So I'm at 500t/600mast now. If when I add var it's gonna be 10mg pwo. The one time I used it I had pharma oxandrolone 2.5mgs and ran 12.5 mg a day w good results.

 

[JuiceBoxJack]

@Smokey8766 @Hyde

Good morning ! Hey Smokey, how did this cycle end up going for you last year ? I actually posted something very similar more recently. The only thing holding me back is the Decanoate in Sust and the lengthy wait required before PCT. I could just replace it with Enan/Prop BUT for some reason my body loves sust. Maybe it's because of amazing quality or most likely the short esters within it. Hyde, what's the minimum you would wait to begin PCT on a Sust cycle that was let's say 12 weeks long which is shorter than I would normally do ?

Smokey, how did you end up liking the NPP? Did it provide what you were looking for ? Did you keep the sides at bay with your test/mast ? What was your overall outcome ? Did you harden and vascularize where intended ? I also heard NPP is a little less of an issue with water retention due to its quick life ? Thank you to you both !

I've been cycling for about 15 years now, but I have only ever ran test and once in a blue moon tren ace. For me personally it's critical to recover with a PCT to avoid permanent shut down, but that's just me. I understand some people blast and cruise and that's their preference. I've began PCT after Sust around the 6 week mark after last pin. Would that be ok to begin or do yall think I'm starting PCT to soon ?

 

[Hyde]

@Smokey8766 @Hyde

Good morning ! Hey Smokey, how did this cycle end up going for you last year ? I actually posted something very similar more recently. The only thing holding me back is the Decanoate in Sust and the lengthy wait required before PCT. I could just replace it with Enan/Prop BUT for some reason my body loves sust. Maybe it's because of amazing quality or most likely the short esters within it. Hyde, what's the minimum you would wait to begin PCT on a Sust cycle that was let's say 12 weeks long which is shorter than I would normally do ?

Smokey, how did you end up liking the NPP? Did it provide what you were looking for ? Did you keep the sides at bay with your test/mast ? What was your overall outcome ? Did you harden and vascularize where intended ? I also heard NPP is a little less of an issue with water retention due to its quick life ? Thank you to you both !

I've been cycling for about 15 years now, but I have only ever ran test and once in a blue moon tren ace. For me personally it's critical to recover with a PCT to avoid permanent shut down, but that's just me. I understand some people blast and cruise and that's their preference. I've began PCT after Sust around the 6 week mark after last pin. Would that be ok to begin or do yall think I'm starting PCT to soon ?

Test decanoate has something like a 10 day half life. If it takes roughly 5 half-lives to eliminate the compound, you’d be looking at 7 weeks.

So if you ran Sust for 12 weeks, you’re looking at almost 5 months of suppression from endogenous testosterone. This is foolish if PCT is priority.

If you bought the Sustanon already, just use it for the first 6 weeks and save the rest for another time. Then switch over to running Test E or even Prop, depending on what you like for the duration of the course. PCT problems solved.

The other issue with Sust is that UGL Sustanon basically never is. Dave Crosland has spoken at length that when they test UGL Sust, it’s almost NEVER the correct formulation. The ratios will be off significantly and/or the right esters are missing. It’s usually just some random mix of Prop and E. So if you haven’t bought it already and it’s not Pharma from somewhere, don’t.

I still don’t recommend Nandrolone for someone looking to avoid damaging the HPTA significantly.

 

[JuiceBoxJack]

Test decanoate has something like a 10 day half life. If it takes roughly 5 half-lives to eliminate the compound, you’d be looking at 7 weeks.

So if you ran Sust for 12 weeks, you’re looking at almost 5 months of suppression from endogenous testosterone. This is foolish if PCT is priority.

If you bought the Sustanon already, just use it for the first 6 weeks and save the rest for another time. Then switch over to running Test E or even Prop, depending on what you like for the duration of the course. PCT problems solved.

The other issue with Sust is that UGL Sustanon basically never is. Dave Crosland has spoken at length that when they test UGL Sust, it’s almost NEVER the correct formulation. The ratios will be off significantly and/or the right esters are missing. It’s usually just some random mix of Prop and E. So if you haven’t bought it already and it’s not Pharma from somewhere, don’t.

I still don’t recommend Nandrolone for someone looking to avoid damaging the HPTA significantly.

I've got 3 vials of sust and 3 of enan so I'll definitely switch over around week 6. I'll just grab more E. Any recommendations on the transition dosage ? Just keep it at an even 600 mgs a week while switching ? Will there be a couple weeks of lag and possible estrogen spike during the switch ? Thanks Hyde

 

[Hyde]

I've got 3 vials of sust and 3 of enan so I'll definitely switch over around week 6. I'll just grab more E. Any recommendations on the transition dosage ? Just keep it at an even 600 mgs a week while switching ? Will there be a couple weeks of lag and possible estrogen spike during the switch ? Thanks Hyde

3x 10ml vials of Test E 200mg/ml is already plenty for 750/wk for 6 weeks on the back half. You won’t need more.

Faster the ester, generally the more it will aromatize - so Prop will release faster & spike estrogen more. So generally, switching from Sust to straight E midway through will probably mean LESS aromatization on the back end. And there may be a slight lag in if there was a lot of Prop in your blend, but that just means you will hit much higher total levels before long. So the gains will come regardless.

Don’t overthink it; just switch it out mg for mg when time and listen to your body regarding AI needs.

 

[JuiceBoxJack]

3x 10ml vials of Test E 200mg/ml is already plenty for 750/wk for 6 weeks on the back half. You won’t need more.

Faster the ester, generally the more it will aromatize - so Prop will release faster & spike estrogen more. So generally, switching from Sust to straight E midway through will probably mean LESS aromatization on the back end. And there may be a slight lag in if there was a lot of Prop in your blend, but that just means you will hit much higher total levels before long. So the gains will come regardless.

Don’t overthink it; just switch it out mg for mg when time and listen to your body regarding AI needs.

Too easy ... I wish they made a "Sust" blend that was slightly different and replaced Decanoate with Cypionate or Enanthate.

Have you ever heard of or personally used a cycle where you couple say 450 mg/wk of either Test C or E then also pinned prop EOD at 300 mg/wk? I was considering doing that as well. I just love the immediate response my body gets from the prop. Within 4 hours I begin to feel it. Usually day 2 it's extremely noticeable and I feel energized, my libido spikes, and I feel stronger.

 

[Smokey8766]

Hey yeah it's hard to get legit anything it seems. The sust is better than anything imo. I couldn't run the npp w it for BP reason. Th3 mast is great. I quit at week 10 I started getting pains in my sides,but you probably be fine. The test mast or test primo is great lean full look that you keep slowly growing is a great stack

 

[Hyde]

Too easy ... I wish they made a "Sust" blend that was slightly different and replaced Decanoate with Cypionate or Enanthate.

Have you ever heard of or personally used a cycle where you couple say 450 mg/wk of either Test C or E then also pinned prop EOD at 300 mg/wk? I was considering doing that as well. I just love the immediate response my body gets from the prop. Within 4 hours I begin to feel it. Usually day 2 it's extremely noticeable and I feel energized, my libido spikes, and I feel stronger.

This will really blow your mind: you can order sterile empty vials from the same websites you get your syringes/needles. So YOU can just mix the oils you want at the ratios you want in a separate vial when it’s time to blast

Takes just a few minutes; I usually mix all my gear for the next couple weeks ahead into a recently emptied vial (or a fresh sterile one) so every shot has everything drawn up together in balance. Saves time later instead of pulling different doses of multiple compounds.

But yes, people take Prop with E/C as well. Or even Test No Ester (TNE) or Suspension (TNE suspended in water instead of oil) specifically preWO on top of their primary long ester use.

 

[Smont]

This will really blow your mind: you can order sterile empty vials from the same websites you get your syringes/needles. So YOU can just mix the oils you want at the ratios you want in a separate vial when it’s time to blast

Takes just a few minutes; I usually mix all my gear for the next couple weeks ahead into a recently emptied vial (or a fresh sterile one) so every shot has everything drawn up together in balance. Saves time later instead of pulling different doses of multiple compounds.

But yes, people take Prop with E/C as well. Or even Test No Ester (TNE) or Suspension (TNE suspended in water instead of oil) specifically preWO on top of their primary long ester use.

Pretty much any time I have short and long esters of the same drug I mix them together and use them like that, I do it with test, with masteron, tren and I did it with trest. NPP and Deca are the only ones I don't combine

 

[JuiceBoxJack]

Call me stupid but after six weeks of sust at let's say 750mg then switching to enath at 750 mgs at week six, wouldn't there be around 1400 mg of test in your system once the E kicks in since the deca will linger for months from those first six weeks or am I over thinking it ? I've just never used over 800mgs of test and don't know how my body will tolerate 1.5 grams lmao .

 

[Smokey8766]

Call me stupid but after six weeks of sust at let's say 750mg then switching to enath at 750 mgs at week six, wouldn't there be around 1400 mg of test in your system once the E kicks in since the deca will linger for months from those first six weeks or am I over thinking it ? I've just never used over 800mgs of test and don't know how my body will tolerate 1.5 grams lmao .

You might be overthinking a little but not really, the test e might take longer to saturate your system, but not really more than a day or two imo. I like just sust it works great for me at a shot on Mon and Thursday. Yet check out my bloodwork over the last 3 times on just 200mgs of cyp for trt. 1330 then 1550 ,and now at 1800 so idk if it has anything to do with me but I micro dose the same amount everyday and use the same amount of hcg every week. I also got the same test from a compounding pharmacy. So the might be slowly upping there product so ppl using them keep getting better results idk. Also I don't notice any strength or physical changes at these levels at all. I am a high responder to androgens. If take 375mg sust I'm at 3,800

 

[Smont]

Call me stupid but after six weeks of sust at let's say 750mg then switching to enath at 750 mgs at week six, wouldn't there be around 1400 mg of test in your system once the E kicks in since the deca will linger for months from those first six weeks or am I over thinking it ? I've just never used over 800mgs of test and don't know how my body will tolerate 1.5 grams lmao .

No, switching from sust to e doesn't really change anything. It's going to take about 5 weeks for the test E to build up, and probably more like 8-10 weeks before the longest esters in sust mostly clear out. Around the week 5 through 8 or 10 Mark you're going to have a little bit of an overlap where you're on a little bit more testosterone than you think you are but it should be a insignificant amount in the bigger scheme of things