Adding alpha seven to first cycle

kladd

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About to start my first cycle, goals to lose as much body fat and gain as much muscle as I can, basic body recomp. Was not lifting for about 1-1.5 years, started up a few months ago and strength has been climbing back to old levels steadily. Have used sarms/4andro/R Andro in the past. Have clomiphene and AI on hand, as well as m-test and sustain alpha. Just started with Reta yesterday, starting .5 mg twice a week and titrating up. Will be adding test-e at 125x2 a week, may also raise test up to possibly 500 weekly, depending on how things go. Shooting for 10-12 weeks. First question is should I give Reta a couple weeks to start its process, or start test as soon as I’m ready? And would something like alpha seven be something good to add into the mix? Shaved head no care about hair loss. Like the idea of drive, libido, and more gains. If yes to alpha seven, would it be better at the beginner or end of cycle?
 
There's nothing basic about a recomp, it's literally the hardest thing that there is to do.

I would get my diet dialed in and I would start testosterone once I was lean enough to see my abs.

I'm not sure what you mean by Reta starting it's process..... It starts working the day you start taking it. Appitate suppression can start with a little as 1/2mg per week. But Reta isn't as powerful as an appetite suppressant as some of the other ones. Some people seem to get a lingering effect though where it takes their appetite away for quite a while and if you're trying to put on muscle that's counterproductive, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose fat and you have to be in a caloric surplus to build muscle. So you got to pick a direction and run with it. Loosing fat is a lot faster and easier then building muscle tissue. (Not talking about gaining weight, talking about building actual muscle tissue)

Because it's your first cycle you should have some amount of body recomposition going on but you really should pick a direction and run with it. You will still build muscle while dieting if you've been out of the gym for any significant amount of time which I believe you said you have and coupled with your starting cycle

Alpha 7 is just 7 keto DHEA. You can run it all year round if you want to it's not suppressive.

Hope some of that helps
 
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Sorry, probably didn’t word things very well as I was typing it on my lunch break at work

I know recomping is extremely difficult. I’m currently down roughly 40lbs since July, and looking to lose another 20/30lbs. No need for abs, no 10% or less body fat. Just losing the majority of love handles and gut. I’m a reformed alcoholic so I know that I am surely high in visceral fat, and liver fat as well which is honesty what pushed my to Reta to begin with.

As far as starting test with Reta, I was more thinking staying in a deficit for a few weeks with Reta and losing a bit more weight, before starting test and likely either going up in calories to support some more muscle gain. I’ve always been told that test with also lean you out if eating correctly, but I know it’s a fine line of wasting gains by not eating enough on a cycle vs losing body fat. I’m 6’ and roughly 240lbs currently, looking to be around 215lbs. That isn’t a dead set weight, I’d be happy with whatever the scale says as long as I can lean out my mid section. I’m on a deficit as it is and been steadily losing fat and gaining muscle back.

And as far as alpha seven, I was more interested in the androsterone, I’ve used r Andro and loved the feeling it gave. I know it’s the dht and was just curious to what people have experienced as far as androsterone supplementation on a test cycle. I’ve read on this forum things like 4 Andro don’t really do much while pinning test, so was just curious if alpha seven would be worth the try. Thanks
 
Smont said:
There's nothing basic about a recomp, it's literally the hardest thing that there is to do.

I would get my diet dialed in and I would start testosterone once I was lean enough to see my abs.

I'm not sure what you mean by Reta starting it's process..... It starts working the day you start taking it. Appitate suppression can start with a little as 1/2mg per week. But Reta isn't as powerful as an appetite suppressant as some of the other ones. Some people seem to get a lingering effect though where it takes their appetite away for quite a while and if you're trying to put on muscle that's counterproductive, you have to be in a caloric deficit to lose fat and you have to be in a caloric surplus to build muscle. So you got to pick a direction and run with it. Loosing fat is a lot faster and easier then building muscle tissue. (Not talking about gaining weight, talking about building actual muscle tissue)

Because it's your first cycle you should have some amount of body recomposition going on but you really should pick a direction and run with it. You will still build muscle while dieting if you've been out of the gym for any significant amount of time which I believe you said you have and coupled with your starting cycle

Alpha 7 is just 7 keto DHEA. You can run it all year round if you want to it's not suppressive.

Hope some of that helps
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Alpha Seven actually contains Androsterone also, so it is definitely suppressive & can’t run it indefinitely.

XPG FLO-7 DHEA however is just 7 Keto DHEA so you can run that one year round
 
Joshlm69 said:
Alpha Seven actually contains Androsterone also, so it is definitely suppressive & can’t run it indefinitely.

XPG FLO-7 DHEA however is just 7 Keto DHEA so you can run that one year round
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I didn't know it was in there. But, androsterone is a very mild naturally occurring hormone. You could run it for a very, very long time still. You could definitely do 16-20 weeks of test and alpha 7.

What's the dose on xpg 7
 
Androsterone caused extreme shedding for me and for many others, so if you are prone to hair loss, be wary of that. Makes you feel incredible though
 
Joshlm69 said:
Androsterone caused extreme shedding for me and for many others, so if you are prone to hair loss, be wary of that. Makes you feel incredible though
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I always tell people this and say it on the forums but just go bald and it will make your life a lot easier. Less haircut spend and more money for supplements to :)
 
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