Halo elite from Blackstone labs
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GQdaLEGEND
Legend
Is that the Eucommia solo product ?
If so i rather run sns anabolic Xt for 12-16weeks
If so i rather run sns anabolic Xt for 12-16weeks
Bulkasaur
New member
It is the pure eucommia ulmoides extract (andro 100) yes. And I have gave plenty of thought about anabolic xt. And I believe this would be one of the main staples of the product. That's why I'd like to try it by itself first and then possibly dabble in the anabolic xt later
Shadowblaze
Active member
That’s a good idea if you wanna try it solo first, anabolic xt is good stuff. Eucommia is my favourite ingredient ever in supplements, I wish it were in more products. I want to dose it much higher but don’t really have much available since there aren’t many high quality extracts other than anabolic xt and the black stone labs one.
I’ve heard good things about the black stone labs one, but you might aswell just spend a bit more money on anabolic xt and get all the other ingredients.
LeanEngineer
Legend
Agreed completely here. I would pay the extra money and go with SNS any day.
Bulkasaur
New member
See my whole thing with shooting right for anabolic xt is I want to see a level of difference. Because personally if I try the plain ole andro 100 on its own then I'll get a feel for what that's like, and afterwards I'll get to differentiate how much more there is to anabolic xt, rather if that's a little or a lot in potentcy of the product. Especially Due to the price difference as well. What would you say though running a cycle on anabolic xt feels like?
Bulkasaur
New member
How was your experience with anabolic xt you'd say personally?
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
Oh i see what you meant .. yeah its the exact same extract and dosage in both product .. for $10-15 you just get more out of anabolicXT
Havent tried solo ingrident but have read numerous studies on it, think it will treat u right with good diet
Shadowblaze
Active member
The price difference isn’t that significant honestly. Trust me go straight for the AXT, knowing the different between the strengths doesn’t bring you anything.
Anabolic xt in my experience, made me significantly stronger and increased my motivation, vascularity went up aswell. Gained a few pounds while staying lean.
LeanEngineer
Legend
Can't beat it! Definitely made me progress quicker than normal in terms of recovery, strength and my training sessions were on point!
KlausCoin
Member
Im 1.5 weeks in Anabolic XT and there is a feeling of being motivated to go train. Even when im sore or have a day off i find that i have a desire to keep moving in some capacity.
And when im at the gym i feel hyper focused on crushing the workout.
Visual effects- noticing that the subq water is being pushed into the muscle and increasing definition - cuts in arms are deeper between bis/tris and shoulders
Waist has tightened up and looks more sucked in - weight is the same at 175
And when im at the gym i feel hyper focused on crushing the workout.
Visual effects- noticing that the subq water is being pushed into the muscle and increasing definition - cuts in arms are deeper between bis/tris and shoulders
Waist has tightened up and looks more sucked in - weight is the same at 175
LeanEngineer
Legend
Definitely seems like it's kicking in quick for you! Glad to hear.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Use what you'd like of course, but I felt the need to clarify a couple things for anyone reading:
- I wouldn't consider Eucommia to be the main ingredient in Anabolic XT at all; not even really one of the main ones.
- There really isn't a lot of price difference - for between 10 and 15 dollars a month difference, you get a lot more active ingredients in Anabolic XT.
Anabolic XT contains 9 ingredients, including 6 branded ingredients, and I wouldn't consider Eucommia to be one of the main ingredients at all.
The write up is very comprehensive and can be found at: https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/anabolic-xt/
The feedback and discussion thread has a lot of information and feedback: https://anabolicminds.com/community...dcore-natural-anabolic-muscle-builder.330125/
I'm not going to go into detail about all the different ingredients because anyone that wants to learn about them can find the information at the above 2 links, but here is some information that just recently became available about 1 of them that is used in Anabolic XT.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40323176/
Title: The effects of spilanthol (SA3X) supplementation on muscle size and strength in healthy men - a randomized parallel-group placebo-controlled trial
Abstract
Objectives: To assess the effects of daily spilanthol (SA3X) supplementation over three months on muscle metrics and hormonal profiles in healthy males.
Methods: A total of 546 participants were randomized into SA3X or placebo groups, with or without structured exercise. Muscle size (mid-arm, chest, thigh circumference) and strength (bench-press, squatting) were measured pre- and post-intervention. Serum testosterone (total and free), estradiol, and SHBG levels were assessed.
Results: Among the participants in the exercise groups, those given SA3X had significant increases than those given placebo in terms of muscle size - mid-arm muscle circumference (10.54 vs. 7.21 cm; p<0.05), chest circumference (15.23 vs. 10.82; p<0.05) and thigh circumference (change in quadriceps area, 12.84 vs. 9.01 cm; p<0.05) and significant increases in strength in the bench-press (85.01 vs. 65.09 kg, p<0.05) and squatting exercises (155.04 vs. 95.06 kg, p<0.05). The participants assigned to the SA3X-no-exercise group had significant increases in muscle size than those assigned to the placebo-no-exercise group (p<0.05). A significant increase was also observed in total and free testosterone levels in SA3X group as compared to placebo (p<0.05). No significant increase was seen in estradiol levels. No significant adverse effects were observed among the participants.
Conclusions: SA3X supplementation significantly enhanced muscle size, strength, and testosterone levels in exercising participants compared to placebo, with additional benefits observed even without exercise.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
I notice the motivation to train aspect bigtime too and that's a major thing for me.
I'm glad you're liking it so far and looking forward to how you like it as it goes - most people see better results by the week.
Bulkasaur
New member
I'm super surprised you wouldn't consider andro 100 one of the main ingredients tbh. Especially since it's one of the only ingredients I've heard prohormone users even say they use it due to how well it works. ( Not trying to knock anabolic xt at all) Regardless I eventually will run anabolic xt just to get to experience with it as well due to all the good reviews, and I'm definitely excited for it. But the eucommia ulmoides seems far to interesting to throw off as a side character ingredient I feel like. Could you tell me though how well anabolic xt would compare to competitive edge labs b.a.s.i.s?
Shadowblaze
Active member
Wow I had no idea eucommia wasn’t one of the main ingredients, I always thought it was the main ingredient by far. I’ll definitely be trying spilanthes XT at a double dose along with anabolic xt, that would seem like a great stack. I had no idea spilanthes was that great of an ingredient.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
I have no idea what you are talking about.
The thread and discussion is on Eucommia Ulmoides. Not sure what Andro 100 has to do with anything?
Anabolic XT and BASIS are completely different products. The write ups are very detailed and the threads have a lot of feedback in them.
Anabolic XT discussion thread - https://anabolicminds.com/community...dcore-natural-anabolic-muscle-builder.330125/
BASIS discussion thread - https://anabolicminds.com/community...-of-natural-anabolic-intro-discussion.339460/
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Blackstone Labs retail price on their website is 54.99 for Halo Elite, which is just Eucommia.
Anabolic XT retail is 59.99 and contains Eucommia + 8 other ingredients, including 6 branded ingredients.
Different retailers are going to run different sales - for example, right now, BPN has Halo Elite at 44.99 and Anabolic XT at 49.99, so the same 5.00 difference.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
I've never said that it was and never presented Eucommia as being the main ingredient.
What makes Anabolic XT work so well is the combination of ingredients all at effective dosages and the way they work together to target different pathways.
mase1
Well-known member
DPS $95 for 3AXT and halo $61 for 2. If you look for it $34 is a big difference for most people. But I was just pointing out prices, I like AXT
sns8778
Board Sponsor
As I pointed out in my post, different retailers are always going to do different sales.
You're using the example of DPS doing a 30% off sale on Blackstone right now.
When we do a 30% off sale, a 3 pack of Anabolic XT comes out to 39.66 each.
The reason I used BPN as an example is they are Blackstone's preferred partner online retailer, so I was pointing out that even at the place that pushed Blackstone the most, there was a 5.00 per bottle difference.
Someone made the statement making it out like Anabolic XT's benefits are primarily related to Eucommia, which is not true at all, and I was trying to be helpful.
Bulkasaur
New member
Andro 100 is another name for the eucommia ulmoides extracts. It got the name due to the 100 pounds of eucommia ulmoides bark used to make 1 pound of the extract. And as far as me asking you about the b.a.s.i.s. it might've been a tad off subject but I felt that anabolic xt and b.a.s.i.s. were two of the more potent products that sns and cel had to offer, that's why I simply asked if you were able to compare the two.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Andro 100 isn't a common name for Eucommia Ulmoides.
Andro 100 was the name of a product by a brand that used to sponsor here that has nothing to do with Eucommia Ulmoides is why that confused me.
I see where you got it from - the Blackstone write up where they call it Andro 100, which is completely misleading because it has nothing to do with Andro at all.
Anabolic XT and BASIS are completely different in the way that they work - its not that I mind answering you, its that they are so different that the write ups are the best answer bc they go into detail.
Bulkasaur
New member
And it's called andro 100 due to the fact it's a phytoandrogen which is were the andro comes from, and the 100 is the one hundred pounds of eucommia ulmoides bark it takes to receive one pound of extract (100:1). Just a name for the extract of the bark, and not the actual bark itself.
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
it so hard to say that it isnt the main ingredient
i mean you got
symplocos
Eucommia
eckonia
spilanthes
panax
cistanche
black ginger
all those 7 at well dosed .. you cant beat a product and would be so hard to say "one ingredient" is the main one
when we do testing with multiple ingredients, its done numerous times and diff ingredients/dosages to see which work well together and not just a single ingrident.
sns8778
Board Sponsor
No, andro does not come from Eucommia.
They call it 'Andro 100' because its a fancy marketing thing - and just like Hi-Tech, they name a lot of products after old school ph's and aas. A lot of people dislike that about them, but it works, and they're within their rights to do so. But its no different than if you call it Bulkasaur100 - its a nickname, marketing name, whatever you want to call it.
And no, I don't need to be copied and pasted their sales pitch about what a 100:1 extract means - I've written entire educational threads here many years ago walking people though how to understand herbal extracts and what ratios mean.
You quoted me and said:
I'm super surprised you wouldn't consider andro 100 one of the main ingredients tbh.
I replied to you that I have no idea what you're talking about because I was talking about Eucommia, which has nothing to do with Andro anything. Blackstone doesn't call it Andro 100 on their supplement facts panel, they call it that in their write up.
You referred to it in context of discussing one of our products and I didn't know what you were talking about.
My posting in this thread started when someone posted misinformation about Anabolic XT and I posted to correct and clarify that.
I give up on this thread.
Bulkasaur
New member
As I stated. The name andro 100 is broken down from the fact of the matter that it's what is called a phytoandrogen. It's one of the few only known natural ingredients that have an androgenic like effect when used. There fore they use the word andro.and as you said you were familiar with the 100:1 extract process that is used for getting the eucommia ulmoides extract. Which in turn is were the "100" comes from.so they sandwich the two terms together and gave it the overall name of "andro 100". Yes it's eucommia ulmoides lol. But it's the name for the extract. Even if you were to type andro 100 into Google or chat gpt it will go on to tell you about eucommia ulmoides extract 100:1
sns8778
Board Sponsor
I've been on AM for over 20 years, so when someone says Andro 100, I think of the product that the brand that sponsored here that had that was named Andro 100.
You said to me, when talking about Anabolic XT:
I'm super surprised you wouldn't consider andro 100 one of the main ingredients tbh.
I replied I had no idea what you were talking about because I was talking about Eucommia Ulmoides, not anything related to andro.
I don't care what they call theirs in their sales write up - you were saying you were surprised I didn't include something in our product - when I had no idea what you were talking about - bc I looked at their supplement facts, and could care less about reading their write up. My point is that I didn't want anything to think that Anabolic XT had anything in it related to Andro.
You then wrote your post like you were saying Eucommia has Andro in it - copy and paste:
And it's called andro 100 due to the fact it's a phytoandrogen which is were the andro comes from
^^^ Which is why I said that it doesn't have Andro in it.
I could care less about their product, what they call it, etc. - I posted in this thread because you made the statement that you felt like this would be one of the main staples of Anabolic XT - when there are 8 other ingredients including 6 branded ingredients in Anabolic XT, so its wildly inaccurate to compare a single ingredient Eucommia to Anabolic XT. Heck, we make a single ingredient Spilanthes, Spilanthes XT, and you don't see me compare it to full scale formulas that have it in there.
I've explained this in detail and am not going to continue to go back and forth with it.
Bulkasaur
New member
Ah I see, I understand you definitely wouldn't want people to relate the name to a steriods/ prohormone product. And yes the main reason I felt that it would be one of the main staples in anabolic xt is due to actually many upon many of amazing user reviews. And people such as Travis Dillard the prohormone professor on YouTube even say it has potent and highly noticeable effects, especially even more crazy due to the fact it's a natural product. and people like him that use prohormones/steroids are still using this product due to its high androgenic activity. My claim was I would first like to try the eucommia ulmoides extracts to see how effective it is. Then eventually going to try anabolic xt to see just how large of a difference between the two there is for my results in training, so yes I do still feel like eucommia ulmoides extracts is one of the main ingredients within anabolic xt, I'm aware of the multiple other products within it. Yes I'll still be running anabolic xt eventually. And believe me brother I'll be the first to nerd out and speak on all major differences I noticed between the two. Don't think I'm discrediting any of the products. It's just a simple personal test to see the effectiveness and results of each product. I was a huge fan of the mpc 185 from competitive edge labs, ran a 8 week cycle. So I know you guys sell legit products. Regardless I'm glad you took the time to have a conversation with me on the product my brother
sns8778
Board Sponsor
Eucommia is a great ingredient if the proper type and proper extraction type is used and its dosed properly. When it comes to things like that, I don't worry about what other companies do, I worry about what we do and our focus is on providing top quality products that deliver the best results.
You, and anyone else, are entitled to use whatever you want. I didn't post in this thread until that statement was made about Anabolic XT, and I posted to clarify that bc I didn't want others to assume it to be correct.
My posts in this thread were not to try to convince you to take or do anything - they were to clarify for the people that read and don't post here that there is a lot more to Anabolic XT than Eucommia.
Anabolic XT contains 9 ingredients including 6 branded ingredients, some of which with multiple double blind placebo controlled studies - so implying or reducing that to one ingredient working, which happens to be one of the lesser researched ingredients in the product, was very much worth clarifying.
I've had people ask us numerous times to do a single ingredient Eucommia and each time, I've said I'd be open to it if there was enough demand and that we could easily undercut the price of Halo Elite, BUT I thought that it wouldn't sell well in that people wouldn't be happy with it compared to Anabolic XT and may buy it once and then go back to Anabolic XT bc Anabolic XT offers so much more in the way of ingredients and results.
I'm out of this thread. For anyone that wants to read more or feedback on Anabolic XT, there's a lot of it: https://anabolicminds.com/community...dcore-natural-anabolic-muscle-builder.330125/
JROSA006
New member
Nutrition Faktory app sell Halo Elite for$32 per bottle.
LeanEngineer
Legend
We have it at Strong Supplement Shop as well. STAYSTRONG for discount code
LeanEngineer
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div1872
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div1872
Member
Wow hopefully this progresses into some recomp also
Bulkasaur
New member
Tbh I wouldn't exactly use this for just a state of bulking, cutting, or recomping. It could be used in any of those scenarios . As Travis Dillard said, it's like motivation in a bottle. But to me it's been that and even more. It's earned the goat status for being one of the best stand alone ingredient based products in the market in my opinion. It's used by both naturals and those who are enhanced. It is an absolute game changer in every possible fashion. The pure drive from this stuff doesn't just want to make you do more reps, hell it makes you want more sets with lest rest. It's earned my respect and a spot in all my future natty based cycles
zaareleq
Member
This makes me even more pumped to get going on this. I have this , Anabolic Effect, Prime XT and Peptibolic set to arrive Monday. Will also run Urso-bolic with it mostly for it's ability to reduce the level of T in prostate tissue. Also will use DIM to help with reducing estrogen conversion and it's also purported to be good for the prostate.
div1872
Member
Does Eucommia increase estrogen?
Bulkasaur
New member
Technically yes very slightly, but it also increases testosterone, and the androgenic side effects are much much much more pronounced then anything else. It's not like a dampener, meaning your estrogen won't go through the roof making your hormones out of wack. But you androgenic sensitivity accompanied with the testosterone boost will definitely cause you to be more aggressive, motivated, dominant feeling.
zaareleq
Member
Mine is already high as well. Multi reasons I'm addressing it