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Smont

Smont

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Sorry didn't have a good title name lol

My boy goes to the DR. He's about 6'1 220lbs. He uses gear, looks like it to a degree. Kinda like me. When I'm on I look on and when I'm off I look fit and good but I don't pop and I'm not that big. He asked his doc about getting a script for telmasartin and metformin. Dr. Wants to use a regular BP med instead of telmasartin. Ok I understand that he may not be as well versed in one or the other so he feels more comfortable prescribing something he knows better. We can probably change his mind on that one. Except he refuses to prescribe anything because he's on testosterone. His blanket response was well you wouldn't have slightly high blood pressure if you didn't take testosterone so you need to come off testosterone before I can prescribe you a blood pressure medication. He also said you look very fit why do you need metformin and refuses to prescribe that.


On the flip side, my girlfriend has a friend who's obese, her daughter is obese, they literally do nothing but bake and eat. Every day on Facebook it's pictures of cookies and candy. Mom has a prescription for a BP medication, ozempic and metformin and her 17 year old is also on metformin and another drug. Never did the Dr. Say well I can't prescribe you these things unless you lose some weight because if you lost some weight it would correct these health problems. Nope you can just keep eating all your cakes and garbage and take these pills.

Why, why do we demonize things that can make you bigger, stronger, faster, leaner, more youthful appealing and improved quality of life. But if that same person decided to stop eating healthy, stop going to the gym, stop paying any attention to their health, and gain a hundred pounds of body fat and doctors will jump to help you and prescribe you all kinds of medications that won't actually fix your problem and you'll just spend the rest of your life fat unsatisfied and on medication.

Of course some ppl could care less about being fit or living a fit lifestyle and that's okay, But that's not my question. Why do we sensationalize being unhealthy and demonized being fit.

The average steroid users take baby doses. A fraction of what real bodybuilding uses. I know that someone can make a very good argument that bodybuilders die in their '50s and 60's from "steroids" definitely a thing, but those are extreme cases and guess what, morbidly obese men also die in there 50's and 60's

A morbidly obese 30-year-old man has a 12 times higher risk of a heart attack then his fit counterpart. The studies for that one are literally just based off body weight.

Pretty sure every doctor knows if they had to spend the next 30 years on testosterone or the next 30 years on McDonald's which one would kill them faster
 
Smont said:
Sorry didn't have a good title name lol

My boy goes to the DR. He's about 6'1 220lbs. He uses gear, looks like it to a degree. Kinda like me. When I'm on I look on and when I'm off I look fit and good but I don't pop and I'm not that big. He asked his doc about getting a script for telmasartin and metformin. Dr. Wants to use a regular BP med instead of telmasartin. Ok I understand that he may not be as well versed in one or the other so he feels more comfortable prescribing something he knows better. We can probably change his mind on that one. Except he refuses to prescribe anything because he's on testosterone. His blanket response was well you wouldn't have slightly high blood pressure if you didn't take testosterone so you need to come off testosterone before I can prescribe you a blood pressure medication. He also said you look very fit why do you need metformin and refuses to prescribe that.


On the flip side, my girlfriend has a friend who's obese, her daughter is obese, they literally do nothing but bake and eat. Every day on Facebook it's pictures of cookies and candy. Mom has a prescription for a BP medication, ozempic and metformin and her 17 year old is also on metformin and another drug. Never did the Dr. Say well I can't prescribe you these things unless you lose some weight because if you lost some weight it would correct these health problems. Nope you can just keep eating all your cakes and garbage and take these pills.

Why, why do we demonize things that can make you bigger, stronger, faster, leaner, more youthful appealing and improved quality of life. But if that same person decided to stop eating healthy, stop going to the gym, stop paying any attention to their health, and gain a hundred pounds of body fat and doctors will jump to help you and prescribe you all kinds of medications that won't actually fix your problem and you'll just spend the rest of your life fat unsatisfied and on medication.

Of course some ppl could care less about being fit or living a fit lifestyle and that's okay, But that's not my question. Why do we sensationalize being unhealthy and demonized being fit.

The average steroid users take baby doses. A fraction of what real bodybuilding uses. I know that someone can make a very good argument that bodybuilders die in their '50s and 60's from "steroids" definitely a thing, but those are extreme cases and guess what, morbidly obese men also die in there 50's and 60's

A morbidly obese 30-year-old man has a 12 times higher risk of a heart attack then his fit counterpart. The studies for that one are literally just based off body weight.

Pretty sure every doctor knows if they had to spend the next 30 years on testosterone or the next 30 years on McDonald's which one would kill them faster
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Do you feel comfortable telling him that truth?

I JUST got another Dr.
My previous one seemed like he was going to be Great. He addressed all of my concerns, and prescribed medications that Dramatically improved my life, in several areas. He also seemed very caring.
I left that day, very happy that I had found a primary care Dr, that I was satisfied with.
And then I needed him .... And couldn't get in contact with him.
Generally.... You can't call the office anymore.... Your call goes to call centers, that generally suck.

So I actually went to a Doc in the box 3 times since then (which cost me more $$$), because I couldn't reach him.

Anyway .... New Dr DOES seem Great (again). He made sure to address any need I had, in any area, and spent a lot of time with me.
AND .... as he mentioned (and I knew) .... his practice is new. So, I'll be able to get in contact with him, and his office.
He seemed like he would prescribe me any medication that I thought would help me. I didn't mention Anabolics use (although I may, later). I wouldn't ask him for Anabolics, because hopefully he would be (I'm sure) hesitant to prescribe me something that he believed could be harmful to me.

I believe (after my first visit) that he would be willing to discuss those medications that you mentioned (but he doesn't know anything about my current, if there were any) or previous Anabolics use
 
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Being unhealthy is profitable. That is the real concern for “american medicine”. Money. Truly disgusting really.
 
I believe this was partly sparked by my hospital stay due to pulmonary embolism and my suspicions, but please also see my original thread and latest responses for latest development of events.

All in all i will say that if given 10 "weight" points, i would give testosterone 9 positives and 1 negative, and the lsrgest part of that negative is being dependent on a pharmaceutical industry. Thats if normal replacement doses are used.

And yeah i agree, even in Soviet Union and Nazi Germany you would get hospital treatment and not get skinned like today in grand USA. The cost of my treatment in America would be in the 10s of thousands USD. Its a machine to keep people grinding to death, just to grind some more to delay that from coming for them...
 
Tell your friend to get a new doctor, the current one seems biased to their own personal beliefs over what is truly in your friend's best interest. At the risk of sounding like I'm body shaming I'll just say the "body positive" and "healthy at any weight" movements have done a great harm to this country's health. It caused an encouragement to stay unfit and unhealthy instead of encouraging people to make better healthier choices... and of course big pharma and the medical industry capitalized on it.
 
Renew1 said:
Do you feel comfortable telling him that truth?

I JUST got another Dr.
My previous one seemed like he was going to be Great. He addressed all of my concerns, and prescribed medications that Dramatically improved my life, in several areas. He also seemed very caring.
I left that day, very happy that I had found a primary care Dr, that I was satisfied with.
And then I needed him .... And couldn't get in contact with him.
Generally.... You can't call the office anymore.... Your call goes to call centers, that generally suck.

So I actually went to a Doc in the box 3 times since then (which cost me more $$$), because I couldn't reach him.

Anyway .... New Dr DOES seem Great (again). He made sure to address any need I had, in any area, and spent a lot of time with me.
AND .... as he mentioned (and I knew) .... his practice is new. So, I'll be able to get in contact with him, and his office.
He seemed like he would prescribe me any medication that I thought would help me. I didn't mention Anabolics use (although I may, later). I wouldn't ask him for Anabolics, because hopefully he would be (I'm sure) hesitant to prescribe me something that he believed could be harmful to me.

I believe (after my first visit) that he would be willing to discuss those medications that you mentioned (but he doesn't know anything about my current, if there were any) or previous Anabolics use
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I would definitely be hesitant with a new Dr. That I didn't have some kind of relationship established with. Yeah your story is very common. My girlfriend works at the hospital billing department and she had a hell of a time getting a doctor's appointment She got rescheduled like three times just to find out that her original doctor never even knew she requested an appointment. One of the contractors I work for girlfriend is also a nurse at the ER and had a similar thing happened to her where she couldn't get a doctor's appointment at her own job lol.

Like wtf
 
CroLifter said:
I believe this was partly sparked by my hospital stay due to pulmonary embolism and my suspicions, but please also see my original thread and latest responses for latest development of events.

All in all i will say that if given 10 "weight" points, i would give testosterone 9 positives and 1 negative, and the lsrgest part of that negative is being dependent on a pharmaceutical industry. Thats if normal replacement doses are used.

And yeah i agree, even in Soviet Union and Nazi Germany you would get hospital treatment and not get skinned like today in grand USA. The cost of my treatment in America would be in the 10s of thousands USD. Its a machine to keep people grinding to death, just to grind some more to delay that from coming for them...
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No not at all, I just had my normal weekend check ins and that was one of the topics. But the other way around. It made me think about your thread. I went off on about 4 things this weekend and then off on a few ADHD tangents this weekend too. The medical field and testosterone just happened to be two of the topics lol.

If I'm being a royal douchebag just tell me and il zip it 😂
 
Smont said:
On the flip side, my girlfriend has a friend who's obese, her daughter is obese, they literally do nothing but bake and eat. Every day on Facebook it's pictures of cookies and candy. Mom has a prescription for a BP medication, ozempic and metformin and her 17 year old is also on metformin and another drug. Never did the Dr. Say well I can't prescribe you these things unless you lose some weight because if you lost some weight it would correct these health problems. Nope you can just keep eating all your cakes and garbage and take these pills.

Why, why do we demonize things that can make you bigger, stronger, faster, leaner, more youthful appealing and improved quality of life. But if that same person decided to stop eating healthy, stop going to the gym, stop paying any attention to their health, and gain a hundred pounds of body fat and doctors will jump to help you and prescribe you all kinds of medications that won't actually fix your problem and you'll just spend the rest of your life fat unsatisfied and on medication.

Of course some ppl could care less about being fit or living a fit lifestyle and that's okay, But that's not my question. Why do we sensationalize being unhealthy and demonized being fit.
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we've put the dadbod up on the pedestal.
people generally don't like to help other people succeed.
doctors generally don't know much beyond what they're told to know. few actually continue to learn, fewer still are critical thinkers who ask questions. Look at how many doctors would rx the covid vaccine for a perfectly healthy 17 year old who already had natural immunity. insanity. But they're like lemmings or programmable robots who do what they're told.

They also have insane malpractice insurance and what they "can" do is written by those same underwriters who charge them $100k's per year for insurance. my old doctor (small town) finally stopped delivering babies because she had to deliver 18 of them to pay for her insurance every year, before she made any profit for herself. so we lost a good doc to the system who went to work for a huge corporate medical facility and collect an income where someone else handled the day to day insurance risks etc. I can't blame her.

it also is why really great sports doctors, therapists, etc are worth their weight in gold. When someone tells me "I can't do this anymore, the doctor said so" I say get a better doctor. or a better PT. Their goal is to get you from the couch to the fridge. go find a PT or surgeon or doctor who's goal is to see you set new PRs.


people look for an excuse to roll over and wave the white flag. They look for reasons to quit, blame age, genetics etc. and most medical professionals are there to help them fail, IMO.


I'm grateful for doctors for sure, but I've encountered far too many that knew less than even me. or would pull up a webmd article WHILE I'M IN THE ROOM WITH THEM because they didn't know and Google was their answer!!
 
Dustin07 said:
we've put the dadbod up on the pedestal.
people generally don't like to help other people succeed.
doctors generally don't know much beyond what they're told to know. few actually continue to learn, fewer still are critical thinkers who ask questions. Look at how many doctors would rx the covid vaccine for a perfectly healthy 17 year old who already had natural immunity. insanity. But they're like lemmings or programmable robots who do what they're told.

They also have insane malpractice insurance and what they "can" do is written by those same underwriters who charge them $100k's per year for insurance. my old doctor (small town) finally stopped delivering babies because she had to deliver 18 of them to pay for her insurance every year, before she made any profit for herself. so we lost a good doc to the system who went to work for a huge corporate medical facility and collect an income where someone else handled the day to day insurance risks etc. I can't blame her.

it also is why really great sports doctors, therapists, etc are worth their weight in gold. When someone tells me "I can't do this anymore, the doctor said so" I say get a better doctor. or a better PT. Their goal is to get you from the couch to the fridge. go find a PT or surgeon or doctor who's goal is to see you set new PRs.


people look for an excuse to roll over and wave the white flag. They look for reasons to quit, blame age, genetics etc. and most medical professionals are there to help them fail, IMO.


I'm grateful for doctors for sure, but I've encountered far too many that knew less than even me. or would pull up a webmd article WHILE I'M IN THE ROOM WITH THEM because they didn't know and Google was their answer!!
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I agree totally…..what kills me when someone is looking at supplements and they ask is it doctor approved. I haven’t met a doctor yet that is more knowledgeable than me on supplements. On the other hand I have educated quite a few on supplements myself. Over the year and half that I took my Mom to her Oncologist I periodically would tell her about numerous supplements, which would lead her to do her own research, which I respected. When we would go on the next visit, she would tell me she researched it and I was right. Eventually it got to where she would ask me questions when we came in. She is a Hematologist as well as an Oncologist, and when I told her about Nattokinase could dissolve blood clots, she was really intrigued and researched it. She eventually was so impressed she told me she started recommending it to the patients it is appropriate for.
But you’re right….Doctors do not know as much as they should on nutrition, natural products, and proper exercise. A big reason why is they are basically educated by the pharmaceutical industry.
 
Open minded, that's a huge quality in finding a good Dr. They don't necessarily have to be All gung ho about performance enhancement or supplements, but a willingness to listen and look into a suggestion is a home run. Bodybuilding, athletes and gym bros, the ones that try to do **** safe are usually ahead of the game For Lipid, BP, sugar and various other concerns from gear and shoveling down tons food or messing around with insulin and growth hormone.
Even though the reason for the health issue might be different the way to fix the issues is still pretty much the same. If your a big dude 250+ and on gear, many ofthe health supplements you might take to keep bloods good would also benefit the guy who's a overweight coach potato 250
 
People feel sorry for sorry-looking people. Meanwhile they are envious of those getting ahead of them, especially if they’re willing to do what they won’t.

So Suzy Eatstoomuch is helped because doctors know most Americans don’t have the will to reverse their bad habits, but Johnny Steroids is not because he’s seen as responsible AND capable. There’s simply a double standard. I would not expect it to change anytime soon.
 
The thing is, most Dr’s only knows how to treat illness.

Find a new Dr would be my recommendation, I have gone through so many Dr’s before I found one that actually knows what’s up and are willing to make me better, not just treat symptoms.

I knew I had a superstar of a Dr when I asked if we could add something to make me stronger and he answered “yeah, we can add Deca, Anavar or Winstrol” 😎
 
Another thought I had is that it takes a lot of courage to break through the programming. Where we live, my wife and I and my son were the only people not to get the covid vaccine (I'm not making this political, I'm building here). We took a LOT of heat for it. all of her family, even her kids against her wishes did get it. it would have been easy to buckle and 'just do it'. but we held our ground based on how we understood the actual science and our beliefs. The reason I bring that up is because:

my wife had a bad mammogram in August and by Dec 5th had a mastectomy after weekly visits, poking, prodding, tests. We simply did not have enough information for us to argue with them against their method of removing her cancer. As far as we knew and still know, this was the best for her health. Luckily, we dodged any radiation, chemo, or tamaxofin. so I consider us lucky.

But I see daily, more and more discussion on cancer, cancer treatments, natural approaches, zero approaches, and even discusion of seeing ivermectin used successfully. Hopefuly down the road we will know more about these things to use that information without having to cut off limbs or submit people to chemo and radiation treatments. We did not know enough and still do not, to question the system. the system told us you need to have a biopsy, you need an MRI, you need to have your breast amputated. so we followed the rules because we didn't and don't know any better in that field.
 
BBiceps said:
The thing is, most Dr’s only knows how to treat illness.

Find a new Dr would be my recommendation, I have gone through so many Dr’s before I found one that actually knows what’s up and are willing to make me better, not just treat symptoms.

I knew I had a superstar of a Dr when I asked if we could add something to make me stronger and he answered “yeah, we can add Deca, Anavar or Winstrol” 😎
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Now that’s the kind of Doctor we need….one who is willing to understand your lifestyle and respect your ability to think for yourself, and who is willing to be a part of your team in health care. 😎👍
Dustin07 said:
Another thought I had is that it takes a lot of courage to break through the programming. Where we live, my wife and I and my son were the only people not to get the covid vaccine (I'm not making this political, I'm building here). We took a LOT of heat for it. all of her family, even her kids against her wishes did get it. it would have been easy to buckle and 'just do it'. but we held our ground based on how we understood the actual science and our beliefs. The reason I bring that up is because:

my wife had a bad mammogram in August and by Dec 5th had a mastectomy after weekly visits, poking, prodding, tests. We simply did not have enough information for us to argue with them against their method of removing her cancer. As far as we knew and still know, this was the best for her health. Luckily, we dodged any radiation, chemo, or tamaxofin. so I consider us lucky.

But I see daily, more and more discussion on cancer, cancer treatments, natural approaches, zero approaches, and even discusion of seeing ivermectin used successfully. Hopefuly down the road we will know more about these things to use that information without having to cut off limbs or submit people to chemo and radiation treatments. We did not know enough and still do not, to question the system. the system told us you need to have a biopsy, you need an MRI, you need to have your breast amputated. so we followed the rules because we didn't and don't know any better in that field.
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Yeah my wife and I, and two of our sons and their families chose not to get the vaccines. My youngest son is in the military and was forced to take it. And actually my wife’s Neurologist, for her MS, recommended we not get the vaccine, because he said they had it too quick and there was no way it went through enough testing and was proven safe, and we now know the vaccines are really not that effective and has caused all kinds of issues in people that were otherwise healthy, including numerous people with heart conditions. And I’m not trying to get political either Dustin, but I was so pissed when I found out the military made my son take the vaccines against his will. That boy served two tours in Afghanistan, and went through all kinds of hell for our country, and then they make him and our other warriors take an unproven vaccine all because of what that idiot Fauci was lying about ….sorry guys don’t mean to rant, but the health care system and all its issues get me fired up. I think I’m gonna have to go chill out and beat the crap out of my heavy bag.💪😎👍
 
BBiceps said:
The thing is, most Dr’s only knows how to treat illness.
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This quote is the issue in modern medicine. We treat symptoms, not causes.

That and you have to remember that most doctors (family medicine, internal medicine, etc.) are generalists - not specialists. And specialists, while they may be experts in one area - cannot be experts in all areas.

Most are likely not trained in preventive medicine, deeply into nutrition, and certainly not supplementation. Every once and a while you'll find a doc who has decided to add some supplementation recommendations to their patient's routine.

And while I love my supplements - I do prefer them over most medicines - if we're being honest with ourselves here, a lot of them do not have the scientific rigor behind them to say for certain there is a benefit. We take them because we believe there to be a benefit, and we feel the cost ($) / access is easier to get than a prescribed medicine.

But back to the OPs original post, while it certainly may be frustrating in the scenario you just described - one of those scenarios is being viewed as a problem (obesity), while one is being viewed as a self-induced choice. But I do hope your son gets what he needs, and like others have mentioned - it's important to find a doctor that is the right "fit" for you.
 
gphagan1 said:
And I’m not trying to get political either Dustin, but I was so pissed when I found out the military made my son take the vaccines against his will. That boy served two tours in Afghanistan, and went through all kinds of hell for our country, and then they make him and our other warriors take an unproven vaccine all because of what that idiot Fauci was lying about ….sorry guys don’t mean to rant, but the health care system and all its issues get me fired up. I think I’m gonna have to go chill out and beat the crap out of my heavy bag.💪😎👍
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honestly though I think this still matches Smont's original post tbh. yeah we've been conditioned to think this one particular drug/vaccine is all about politics but you're right, look how many doctors blindly prescribed it because they were told to, in the same way they'll blindly prescribe test to a confused young girl, but not help someone who's already healthy looking for more.
 
Dustin07 said:
honestly though I think this still matches Smont's original post tbh. yeah we've been conditioned to think this one particular drug/vaccine is all about politics but you're right, look how many doctors blindly prescribed it because they were told to, in the same way they'll blindly prescribe test to a confused young girl, but not help someone who's already healthy looking for more.
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But we agree having high blood pressure at a young age is not healthy.
 
mase1 said:
Read OP
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Ok…you had copied Dustin’s post, so that’s the one I was referring to. But if you read Smont’s entire post the Doctor didn’t want to prescribe blood pressure medication because he was on testosterone, and told the guy that was the problem, but on the flip side the same Doc would prescribe blood pressure medicine to an obese girl instead of telling her to diet and lose weight. Truthfully he should prescribe it to both to help with the blood pressure, and then if he wants to tell them why he thinks it’s high that’s fine.
So the problem was the Doctor didn’t want to treat the guy he thought may be doing steroids, but he is fine with obesity. So I don’t think anyone was saying high blood pressure was fine, in fact I know all these guys don’t think it’s fine. So yeah, having high blood pressure at a young age is not healthy, but it’s not healthy at any age, whether it’s a young overweight girl or a man on testosterone. The Doctor shouldn’t refuse treatment to either one. And really Smont’s example wasn’t so much about blood pressure as it was about double standards, and that was more what Dustin was referring too, as well as the vaccines many were made to take.
 
High blood pressure should be treated by the Dr regardless of reasoning of HBP. Steroids or obesity. And yes tell the obese one to lose weight and they may not have HBP, but give them the meds while on their weight loss journey.
 
mase1 said:
High blood pressure should be treated by the Dr regardless of reasoning of HBP. Steroids or obesity. And yes tell the obese one to lose weight and they may not have HBP, but give them the meds while on their weight loss journey.
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Agree
 
mase1 said:
High blood pressure should be treated by the Dr regardless of reasoning of HBP. Steroids or obesity. And yes tell the obese one to lose weight and they may not have HBP, but give them the meds while on their weight loss journey.
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Long term HBP is probably the leading silent killer for people. Definitely BP meds are the way to go if you can't get it down naturally.
 
gphagan1 said:
Ok…you had copied Dustin’s post, so that’s the one I was referring to. But if you read Smont’s entire post the Doctor didn’t want to prescribe blood pressure medication because he was on testosterone, and told the guy that was the problem, but on the flip side the same Doc would prescribe blood pressure medicine to an obese girl instead of telling her to diet and lose weight. Truthfully he should prescribe it to both to help with the blood pressure, and then if he wants to tell them why he thinks it’s high that’s fine.
So the problem was the Doctor didn’t want to treat the guy he thought may be doing steroids, but he is fine with obesity. So I don’t think anyone was saying high blood pressure was fine, in fact I know all these guys don’t think it’s fine. So yeah, having high blood pressure at a young age is not healthy, but it’s not healthy at any age, whether it’s a young overweight girl or a man on testosterone. The Doctor shouldn’t refuse treatment to either one. And really Smont’s example wasn’t so much about blood pressure as it was about double standards, and that was more what Dustin was referring too, as well as the vaccines many were made to take.
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mase1 said:
High blood pressure should be treated by the Dr regardless of reasoning of HBP. Steroids or obesity. And yes tell the obese one to lose weight and they may not have HBP, but give them the meds while on their weight loss journey.
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the more you think and dig in on this topic, here's another caveat. In our state you can get needles. In lots of places they're creating safe injection sites, etc. we have methadone for addicts, BP meds and semaglutides for the obese, but again, zero assistance for the enhanced athletes.
 
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