3ChainedAminos
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Bros gonna have first ever recorded tap out without using hands, arms, or legs.
BASIS - An All New Type of Natural Anabolic - Intro & Discussion
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max silver
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If you were able to kick the nicotine habit along with utilizing an effective BMP supplement the improvements would be off the charts.
3ChainedAminos
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Im actually kinda trying. I’ve reduced the amount considerably over the past year because I go outside to vape now since we have a 1 year old. Before I would vape in the house all day everyday. Every addict has an excuse, but kiddo and pregnant wife with #2, along with work stress has kept me from trying cold turkey. Since it’s vape so I’m sure I’m getting 10 times the amount of nicotine other methods get, super unhealthy I know but it’s my only vice.
LucasBagoDoce
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Got two bottles on their way 
sns8778
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He had it listed by the time that I had seen your post.
sns8778
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Unreal does have it listed and in stock now - https://unrealsupps.co.uk/competitive-edge-labs/basis/
I think like Josh mentioned, the 6 must have been a special sale or something because I know they ordered more than 6 units. But I do expect it to sell out for them because they didn't get a ton, so I would definitely grab them while you can.
sns8778
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They have them in stock. They probably will sell out though.
sns8778
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Yes, I think that would be a great stack.
sns8778
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I think that you would like it. I think it would go really well with ATP Elite too.
sns8778
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I think that it would go really well with your stack.
Hard to say about replacing Prime XT with it because they're completely different types of products, and you're doing so well with your current stack, I may would add to it, but if it were me I wouldn't remove anything from it.
sns8778
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Thank you. I'm glad that you liked the write up.
I knew that this write up was going to be too long for some people to have any interest in reading, so I tried to summarize everything at the beginning for people that didn't care about the in depth part - but for people that did, there was a lot to explain and I wanted people to understand the depth of it and understand that while it does encompass Bone Morphogenetic Protein aspects to it, that there's a lot more to it than just that.
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Matrixxx1984
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Для сушки и повышения тестостерона что лучше сочетать с BASIS recomp20, Inhibit E или Tongkat Ali?
I use Hooligan for pre so hopefully not too much pump.
sns8778
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You are exactly right - very well said.
That's why when discussing this product and the leadup to it, I never called it a BMP product, I always made it a point to say that it was a product that would have Bone Morphogenetic Protein (BMP) aspects to it but that there was a lot more to it.
BASIS is about exactly what you said, hitting so many angles that help to strengthen the infrastructure of the body (bones, muscle, immune system, etc.) and the pathways that strengthen them (anabolic pathways, anti-catabolic pathways, senescent cell clearance, BMPs, etc.) because strengthening these pathways allows the other pathways the products works through, including the BMPs, to work better to provide better results.
I think that the Bone Morphogenetic Protein (BMP) aspects do grab a lot of peoples attention first on here because some here have heard of that pathway before, but its only one aspect of how the product works - and an aspect that is made to work better itself by some of the other avenues that the product targets to lay the foundation for those to work better.
The BMP aspects were something that I felt that we had to go into more depth on in the write up because while some here on AM may be familiar with them, most people aren't and I wanted to make sure that the average person reading about it could understand about the product and what it does, how it works, etc.
I tried really hard in the leadup to BASIS and in the write up to emphasize that I don't want people to stereotype BASIS as a just a BMP type product because there is a lot more to it than just that.
As you mentioned, BASIS has some benefits that should be noticed fairly quickly and also some great long-term health benefits.
sns8778
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For anyone reading, his question is:
For drying and increasing testosterone, what is better to combine with BASIS recomp20, Inhibit E or Tongkat Ali?
BASIS will make for a great stack with Recomp20.
For your question though, for increasing natural testosterone levels, I think that best stacking options are M-Test, Optimize-T, Cloma-Plex, or Alpha Gel because they are formulations so they provide multiple ingredients.
Tongkat Ali XT is a great product/ingredient though and will help increase test levels.
Inhibit-E is great for improving testosterone to estrogen ration and drying out.
sns8778
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I think that BASIS would make for a great stack with Prime XT and with Alpha One.
If picking between BASIS and Alpha One to stack with Prime XT, that would be a hard choice but I would probably pick Alpha One because there is so much great feedback on the Prime XT and Alpha One stack for pumps, fullness, and recomp. So for now, I would have to say that one until there is more feedback on the BASIS & Prime XT stack.
KimChee75
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I’ve taken BMP product for a really long time and one of my favorites, but it was never in good supply, and be out of stock for months at a time. Lot of the same ingredients, but the old BMP would lean me out really quick in 3 weeks especially around my waist. I’m hoping to read those kind of results. Major Recomp effect.
sns8778
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I think that there will be a definite great recomp effect with BASIS.
Segansational
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This looks really good - and also very innovative. Feel like this is the first really unique supplement we've seen come out in a while now. Nice job Steve! Pulled the trigger on a 3 pack.
Sparta12
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It does look good, but it is not that innovative, BMP by Evoumuse went this route first... sorry SNS not starting a fight, I am still excited to try this
Tunaking14
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Depends on what you consider innovative. BMP was innovative for it's time, but I think this is innovative for now. It's going to be good for long term health as well. I can see this just being a staple for general health and being taken year round.
Tunaking14
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3bottles on the way for me so..............I can't wait!!
schizm
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Solid write up, Steve 
(and appreciate it being broken into segments) for a SOLID profile, love it. Think I'm ~6 weeks in on BASIS, within the first couple of weeks definitely noticed better pumps, endurance and felt noticeable 'food pumps' after eating (ie nutrient repartitioning) and since then just all around muscle fullness and continued leaning out. Have been running this alongside Alpha One the whole time (lost track how many months been using, probably 6 months) and added in C3G a couple weeks ago. Great stack and run so far (also worth noting, can really tell improved digestion/gut and joint health) 
(and appreciate it being broken into segments) for a SOLID profile, love it. Think I'm ~6 weeks in on BASIS, within the first couple of weeks definitely noticed better pumps, endurance and felt noticeable 'food pumps' after eating (ie nutrient repartitioning) and since then just all around muscle fullness and continued leaning out. Have been running this alongside Alpha One the whole time (lost track how many months been using, probably 6 months) and added in C3G a couple weeks ago. Great stack and run so far (also worth noting, can really tell improved digestion/gut and joint health) 
sns8778
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If anyone really thinks that BASIS and that product are comparable, then they need to go back and read the write up again and also think for themselves rather than believing what they want you to believe.
I can't do much more to emphasize that there's a lot more to BASIS than being a Bone Morphogenetic Protein (BMP) product than that comprehensive of a write up detailing the different aspects of the product and mechanisms through which it works, what each of the ingredients do and breaking it down into BMP and non-BMP related benefits, and how they tie in together.
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sns8778
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I think 2 twice per day is the best way to take it.
As far as I know, most people that have been using it already are doing 2 caps in the morning and 2 caps in the evening.
max silver
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There is certainly a lot of overlap in the ingredient profile, although I fully agree that BASIS is a more comprehensive formula for certain.
AndrewMcD
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I also just trust CEL and SNS way more than that 'other' company. Which website gives me the impression of a very low quality product made in a basement.
Danksta710
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Zero estrogen raising ingredients.
Multiple in the other option. No interest in the estrogen is good debate.
Support who you want. Glad I'm supporting BASIS. Nice we have more options now.
Multiple in the other option. No interest in the estrogen is good debate.
Support who you want. Glad I'm supporting BASIS. Nice we have more options now.
determination
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I like and support both companies. The owner of that "other" company is quite smart and innovative. My supplement supply consists of mostly SNS products though.
Garyboy
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The 8% salidroside from 240mg of RR in BPM made me extremely fatigued and feeling nauseous. Is the SalidroPure an even stronger version of the RR that BPM had in theirs? Thanks for the comprehensive write up, Steve. BASIS sounds great, but think the RR is just too much for my system.
sns8778
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No, there really isn’t.
I realize he’s trying to say there is, but there isn’t.
BMP has 15 ingredients.
BASIS has 12 ingredients.
BMP has zero branded ingredients.
BASIS had 7 branded ingredients.
There are 4 common ingredients.
There are 2 ingredients that may appear similar at a glance but that are very different.
SalidroPure is very different than Rhodiola Rosea.
Quercefit is very different then quercetin dihydrate and has multiple human clinical studies to prove it.
Thats 9 ingredients in BMP and 6 in BASIS that don’t have anything to do with one another.
Go try to find pre-workouts, fat burners, or test boosters w that many ingredients not in common.
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sns8778
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This part is not directed at you - I’m using your post as an example.
See, this right here is why I’ve tried to avoid comparisons to their product - bc of stuff like this.
I’ve tried to be nice and not compare BASIS to theirs bc there’s things about their product that I was trying to not address.
Rhodiola Rosea has a higher % Rosavins than Salidroside. According to the largest Rhodiola suppliers in the world, there is no such thing as an 8% salidroside from Rosea. But if someone did somehow custom do that then the Rosavin content would go up with it and the Rosavin is the relaxing component and at super high amounts would cause lethargy.
Salidroside is the part that increases mental energy and physical endurance.
Which is why Rhodiola Rosea and SalidroPure are not comparable. And I politely hadn’t pointed that out.
@Garyboy there won’t be any lethargy issues with BASIS. You can look at the feedback on BASIS and also ReV02 which has SalidroPure in it and you’ll see how mental energy and physical endurance go up, not down with it.
sns8778
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I went out of my way in the buildup to BASIS to avoid comparisons to the other product.
I did this for several reasons:
1. To be polite and professional.
2. We are fully cGMP and I don’t want anyone to think that we have any association with them.
3. They use ingredients in their product that I would never use in one.
4. The products are very different.
None of that is a knock against them - if they believe in their ingredients and formula, cool - stop saying ours is like theirs - embrace their differences.
The only reason I haven’t been more open about not embracing differences in them was I have been trying to be professional.
We have not targeted them, have not compared to them, & do not want to be compared to them because I did not want to be put in a position to where I had to start breaking down any differences like I just had to about Rosea.
There’s a lot more to BASIS than just a BMP product. We don’t even mention bone morphogenetic protein on the labels or the banners.
They’re the ones saying our product is like theirs - we’re not - bc it isn’t and I wouldn’t want it to be.
I don’t want to have to go into a full on breakdown comparison, so I’d like to ask kindly that other ppl worry about their own businesses, issues, and products and stop running their mouths about other people’s.
I did this for several reasons:
1. To be polite and professional.
2. We are fully cGMP and I don’t want anyone to think that we have any association with them.
3. They use ingredients in their product that I would never use in one.
4. The products are very different.
None of that is a knock against them - if they believe in their ingredients and formula, cool - stop saying ours is like theirs - embrace their differences.
The only reason I haven’t been more open about not embracing differences in them was I have been trying to be professional.
We have not targeted them, have not compared to them, & do not want to be compared to them because I did not want to be put in a position to where I had to start breaking down any differences like I just had to about Rosea.
There’s a lot more to BASIS than just a BMP product. We don’t even mention bone morphogenetic protein on the labels or the banners.
They’re the ones saying our product is like theirs - we’re not - bc it isn’t and I wouldn’t want it to be.
I don’t want to have to go into a full on breakdown comparison, so I’d like to ask kindly that other ppl worry about their own businesses, issues, and products and stop running their mouths about other people’s.
max silver
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The other product that's being referenced and your new products BASIS are the only two products on the market that I can recall targeting BMP pathways to this type of degree. It's a pretty basic observation from myself and others that these products share quite a few similarities, and I have seen that the owner of the other company isn't happy about this as his was the first product to market. The fact that you are using branded ingredients doesn't really change the similarity of the ingredient profile, but I do feel that it's good for me as a consumer as it's far more likely that your product will have properly standardized ingredients as a direct result.
Please don't think that I'm attempting to criticize you in any way as I am most likely going to switch to your product as it's far more comprehensive and targets so many other pathways that it will likely be more effective overall. I've been using the other product for an extended period of time, and it immediately jumped out at me how many similarities the two products share once I was able to see the labels.
hercules_22
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The other product is always out of stock anyway. Atleast now we have a reliable and available product.
sns8778
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That may be the narrative here, but if you want to get technical, Supersmart has had a Bone Morphogenetic Protein product for years.
Bone Morphogenetic Proteins are signaling molecules, not a supplement. They're being heavily researched for longevity, osteoporosis, sarcopenia, and a lot more.
Just bc he chose to name his product after the pathway doesn’t give him the right to be pissy bc someone else makes a supplement related to that pathway. That would be like me naming a product Test and getting mad that other ppl made test boosters.
We were the first company to use KSM66 in a test booster that I know of and were the first company to use Fadogia and Tongkat together in one. They’re in everything now days - I don’t get pissy about that.
My issue isn’t you. You’re posting things I’ve been trying to be polite and professional and not point out and you posting them is putting me in a spot to where I need to address them.
4 common ingredients.
Yes, branded ingredients do matter.
5 of the 7 branded ingredients are things that he doesn’t have in his product at all anyway.
2 of the branded ingredients may seem similar at a glance, but really aren’t:
- SalidroPure is not the same as salidroside from Rhodiola, and especially not if it’s from Rosea bc Rosea, you increase the content of the salidroside you increase the content of the Rosavins which are the relaxing component.
- QuerceFit is not the same as Quercetin Dihydrate. There are multiple human clinical studies that prove that including human studies on athletic performance.
I tried to be courteous and respectful to him and asked ppl over and over for ppl not to compare them, read the write up, and see the BASIS is very different than their product.
We haven’t mentioned theirs, haven’t targeted theirs, and any time someone has in one of our threads I’ve emphasized that BMPs were only going to be one aspect of BASIS.
Fact is, I’ve been asked to make a product like theirs for years and hadn’t bc I didn’t want to - bc I feel that that pathway can be much more effective when other pathways are addressed too - hence the other pathways targeted by BASIS and the huge emphasis in the write up about it being much more to it than just BMPs.
If you notice - we don’t even mention BMPs on the label or the banners - bc BASIS is not just a BMP product. It’s a natural anabolic that is based around building a solid infrastructure, as in the pathways addressed in the write up, of which BMP is only one aspect of.
So while they might want to make it out like BASIS is comparable to theirs, it absolutely is not, nor would I want it to be.
Danksta710
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Ostinol has been out for years as well. That and super smart are probably the more mainstream offerings for BMP. They aren't marketed to this crowd really.
I mention that product because BMP support could benefit many different types of people. I have already purchased BASIS for close family members who don't train at all. The joint support on this is amazing and I'm just over a month in.
I've been taking eggshell membrane and cissus for years; while both are great, my knee and shoulder never got back to where I wanted them. Close but there has always been a small % that doesn't want to improve. A month with BASIS and both my knee and shoulder haven't felt this good in years. I don't have to put as much focus on my knee recovery between leg training sessions.
If you research BMPs you will see how long ago they were discovered. Well before that other product was available. Tbh I bought multiple orders of that one before digging more into each ingredient. It's not for me but glad some are still happy with it.
I have greater peace of mind using BASIS.
I mention that product because BMP support could benefit many different types of people. I have already purchased BASIS for close family members who don't train at all. The joint support on this is amazing and I'm just over a month in.
I've been taking eggshell membrane and cissus for years; while both are great, my knee and shoulder never got back to where I wanted them. Close but there has always been a small % that doesn't want to improve. A month with BASIS and both my knee and shoulder haven't felt this good in years. I don't have to put as much focus on my knee recovery between leg training sessions.
If you research BMPs you will see how long ago they were discovered. Well before that other product was available. Tbh I bought multiple orders of that one before digging more into each ingredient. It's not for me but glad some are still happy with it.
I have greater peace of mind using BASIS.
Drakee
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Always wondered about that 8% salidroside
big_jewels
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Love it ! thank you for the wonderful write ups Steve !
chainsaw
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This is by no means a critique. Just would like some more indepth discussion on hgw. I see 10% 20% 50% 98%... and just confused on what makes a quality hgw extract. I see the icarrin and icarrins but percentage and why you chose this percentage.
Garyboy
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Thanks a lot, Steve. I appreciate the detailed explanation and my apologies for missing your post on how SalidroPure differs from RR earlier. I look forward to giving BASIS a go.
sns8778
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You may notice some extra pumps from pre-workout timing, but I don’t think timing will effect the recomp benefits.
I’d be curious to hear from people using it if they’ve played with the dosage timing, and if so, if they’ve noticed a difference.
sns8778
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Most 50% and 98% material will not test out to that % Icariin if testing via HPLC.
I’m not saying that none will, but most doesn’t and if it does the cost per mg would be a lot more expensive.
500 mg @ 20% = 100 mg.
1000 mg @ 10% = 100 mg.
^^^ the extra 500 mg would have made the product not fit in 4 capsules.
The main reaaon we chose 20% besides the capsule space part, specifically the HG20X is that it is 20% Icariin by HPLC and bc we use it in PCT Assist and the feedback has been excellent for libido and erection quality.