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Haterank74

Haterank74

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Looking to run Iconic Formulations Ultra Hard at 6 pumps a day 3 bottles worth.

Total would be 450 Epi ANDRO and 150 Androsterone topical.

Anyone run this at this dosing , maybe add some 7 keto from iron legion.
 
You would be better off running Ultra Seven with Ultra Epi. Would cover all three compounds at relatively similar doses.
 
I’ve ran Ultra Hard many times, great stuff.

Currently running Alpha Gainz 1 and 4 andros along with Anabolic Trinity, which is essentially oral Ultra Hard. 6 caps so 150mg androsterone 450mg epiandrosterone, similar to six pumps UH.

Five weeks in with three more to go
 
xxaleksi said:
I’ve ran Ultra Hard many times, great stuff.

Currently running Alpha Gainz 1 and 4 andros along with Anabolic Trinity, which is essentially oral Ultra Hard. 6 caps so 150mg androsterone 450mg epiandrosterone, similar to six pumps UH.

Five weeks in with three more to go
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How did you dose it
 
I would be interested in Seeing the results
 
Haterank74 said:
Looking to run Iconic Formulations Ultra Hard at 6 pumps a day 3 bottles worth.

Total would be 450 Epi ANDRO and 150 Androsterone topical.

Anyone run this at this dosing , maybe add some 7 keto from iron legion.
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I have the same plan but with 300 oral EpiAndro and 3/4 pumps UH split dose am and pwo.
Anyone have an idea which form would be better for the 6/7 am morning dose vs the pre workout dose at 2pm?
I am thinking topicals in the morning for longer time on the skin before shower around 5pm, but if there is quicker absorption/greater pumps or aggression felt from one delivery method (or the low dose Androsterone) - I'd prefer it pwo.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
I have the same plan but with 300 oral EpiAndro and 3/4 pumps UH split dose am and pwo.
Anyone have an idea which form would be better for the 6/7 am morning dose vs the pre workout dose at 2pm?
I am thinking topicals in the morning for longer time on the skin before shower around 5pm, but if there is quicker absorption/greater pumps or aggression felt from one delivery method (or the low dose Androsterone) - I'd prefer it pwo.
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I like topical AM due to sleep issues later anything hormonal i like AM dosing esp topical as it absorbs over 8 hours are so. I would use the topical AM 3/4 pumps and then take that oral dose and a pump of topical 30-45 min pre workout as a boost. Epi andro gives me great pre workout effects, stronger more aggresion i lvoe it.
 
Haterank74 said:
I like topical AM due to sleep issues later anything hormonal i like AM dosing esp topical as it absorbs over 8 hours are so. I would use the topical AM 3/4 pumps and then take that oral dose and a pump of topical 30-45 min pre workout as a boost. Epi andro gives me great pre workout effects, stronger more aggresion i lvoe it.
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Great advice. Thanks.
 
Haterank74 said:
Nice how is your 1/4 run going u feel better on it then UH... 1 andro tends to give me the lethargic and low libido sides its known for.
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Going well, 5 weeks in atm. Pretty good mass gains, strength and hardness. I just ran out of Alpha Gainz 4 Andro so switched to a leftover Alpha Four bottle from last summer.

1 Andro dose is at 250mg, 4 Andro at 225mg and Anabolic Trinity at 6 caps per day (150mg androsterone/450mg epiandro).

The Anabolic Trinity feels pretty much identical to UH IMO, just oral instead of td.

The only downside is the lethargy from the 1 - libido’s surprisingly still pretty good. Going to continue for three more weeks.
 
xxaleksi said:
Going well, 5 weeks in atm. Pretty good mass gains, strength and hardness. I just ran out of Alpha Gainz 4 Andro so switched to a leftover Alpha Four bottle from last summer.

1 Andro dose is at 250mg, 4 Andro at 225mg and Anabolic Trinity at 6 caps per day (150mg androsterone/450mg epiandro).

The Anabolic Trinity feels pretty much identical to UH IMO, just oral instead of td.

The only downside is the lethargy from the 1 - libido’s surprisingly still pretty good. Going to continue for three more weeks.
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Awesome update , yeah 1 ANDRO is rough on me to but the results are great on it
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
What "rough" sides to expect with 1? Are they dose dependent? Wondering if they would be lessened at lower doses and only last 4 weeks of cycle.
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1 ANDRO most doses I tried a few 130-330 even with test base around week 6-7 makes me lethargic , lose libido and pct is always a tad rougher. I wouldn’t run it 4 weeks almost no point for me as the positive effects like strength , lean mass don’t become apparent until a few weeks in.

1 ANDRO when inside the gym feels great outside of the gym I feel like ****
 
Haterank74 said:
How long did you run it and how was PCT , overal effects body composition and did u keep it
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8 weeks, definitely added some muscle mass. PCT was CEL Clomaplex which is an incredible product (not using a SERM for epiandro/androsterone). Kept 90% of gains. I personally wouldn't ever touch 1-Andro, so many sides when you could just run 4andro+epiandro for similar gains without all the nasty sides
 
LETS GO

3 bottles came in today gonna start tomorrow 3 pumps each shoulder / trap (6 pumps a day) until there empty. Having run epiandro before 450mg a day with 150mg of androsterone keeps that 3-1 ration and def sounds like a fun run.

I am also going to add some VII-KT, 7-KETO DHEA unless other wise shouldn’t

Gonna run my tried and true CEL cycle assist and Tudca then pct with enclophine , sustain alpha and icongen
 
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I advise you to frequently change the application area of ultra hard, in my first run I used the same ones(chest,shoulder) and suffered from redness and dryness.
Now I also apply it to my forearms, biceps, triceps...
 
Sansimon said:
I advise you to frequently change the application area of ultra hard, in my first run I used the same ones(chest,shoulder) and suffered from redness and dryness.
Now I also apply it to my forearms, biceps, triceps...
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Thanks for input i will keep this under consideration
 
Haterank74 said:
Thanks for input i will keep this under consideration
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I have olive skin, so a lot more oily than a normal person. Never ever get dry skin. Ultra hard gave me dry skin after a week, first time in my life. As I mentioned above I fixed it by moisturising my upper body every day after applying it. So if you don't moisturise, its a guarantee you will end up with Dry, cracked, red skin, which really doesn't look very nice. I just used E45 Daily Moisturiser Lotion
 
Slims said:
So apply Ultra-Hard, wait 5 minutes for it to dry and then apply moisturiser ontop of that?
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Correct. Moisturising may even aid in helping deeper absorption of Ultra Hard, so you may see more benefit from moisturising
 
Day one 6 pumps .. this is like slightly more watery then say there topical Dermacrine or lconogenin almost like consistency of sustain alpha but opaque slight white. Applied it to traps and shoulders and chest both sides absorbs well no real off smell , felt like in a better mood an hour into it maybe placebo will see but def felt happier per say today and it around noon now applied around 5am

Also did 1ml of VII-KT -7keto to my stomach area

I will also add back in iconic formulations topical laxogen product iconogenin , I’m thinking applying inner thigh area and back of knees ? What’s u thoughts

I figure the epi andro , androsterone and laxogen would be like Hard rock supplements Anabolic Trinity but topical and 7 keto just cause
 
Joshlm69 said:
Correct. Moisturising may even aid in helping deeper absorption of Ultra Hard, so you may see more benefit from moisturising
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Looking at getting Ultra-Hard after my Stano-Plex stash runs out.

What kind of sides do you notice on Ultra-Hard?
 
Joshlm69 said:
Rapid hair loss unfortunately , hair thinned pretty aggressively on it
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Ah yeah, kind of expected that. I've been loosing a lot more hair since starting on Stano-Plex. Was kinda hoping a it wouldn't be as bad with a transdermal
 
Slims said:
Ah yeah, kind of expected that. I've been loosing a lot more hair since starting on Stano-Plex. Was kinda hoping a it wouldn't be as bad with a transdermal
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Stano is just epiandro right? Ultra Hard will be 100x worse for your hair. Androsterone is the hair killer if youre prone. Im considering 600mg epiandro at some point as I always dosed at 900, but if I see any shedding on 600 in canning it. Not worth.

The new formeron treated me amazing. Wet compound but nice gains, libido is insane on it and best of all, zero hair shedding, or anything DHT related.
 
Joshlm69 said:
Stano is just epiandro right? Ultra Hard will be 100x worse for your hair. Androsterone is the hair killer if youre prone. Im considering 600mg epiandro at some point as I always dosed at 900, but if I see any shedding on 600 in canning it. Not worth.

The new formeron treated me amazing. Wet compound but nice gains, libido is insane on it and best of all, zero hair shedding, or anything DHT related.
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Stano is straight epiandro with vaso6.
If Ultra-Hard is going to make things worse, I might have to re-think my options. I can't risk take anything "wet" that aromatises, like 4-Andro, because the estrogen sides were through the roof.
 
Joshlm69 said:
Stano is just epiandro right? Ultra Hard will be 100x worse for your hair. Androsterone is the hair killer if youre prone. Im considering 600mg epiandro at some point as I always dosed at 900, but if I see any shedding on 600 in canning it. Not worth.

The new formeron treated me amazing. Wet compound but nice gains, libido is insane on it and best of all, zero hair shedding, or anything DHT related.
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Dm me the link to the exact one u got im interested down the road about formeron
 
Slims said:
Stano is straight epiandro with vaso6.
If Ultra-Hard is going to make things worse, I might have to re-think my options. I can't risk take anything "wet" that aromatises, like 4-Andro, because the estrogen sides were through the roof.
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Yeah that’s fair enough, I added a low dose AI and got zero e2 sides
 
Haterank74 said:
Dm me the link to the exact one u got im interested down the road about formeron
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I bought mine directly from BLR in their introduction Sale. I’m not sure where you are based, EU/UK retailer is powermyself. State side I think most people use DPS or something, unsure as I don’t live there
 
Haterank74 said:
I like topical AM due to sleep issues later anything hormonal i like AM dosing esp topical as it absorbs over 8 hours are so. I would use the topical AM 3/4 pumps and then take that oral dose and a pump of topical 30-45 min pre workout as a boost. Epi andro gives me great pre workout effects, stronger more aggresion i lvoe it.
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dude I didn't realize you had a thread going too, lol.
but this is basically what I did, topical in the morning maybe with an oral on lifting days, then I'd pop the other oral with my preWO before heading to the gym.

Slims said:
Looking at getting Ultra-Hard after my Stano-Plex stash runs out.

What kind of sides do you notice on Ultra-Hard?
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Joshlm69 said:
Rapid hair loss unfortunately , hair thinned pretty aggressively on it
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Joshlm69 said:
Stano is just epiandro right? Ultra Hard will be 100x worse for your hair. Androsterone is the hair killer if youre prone. Im considering 600mg epiandro at some point as I always dosed at 900, but if I see any shedding on 600 in canning it. Not worth.
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I'm having a hard time noticing if I'm shedding naturally at this point or if it's the epiandro but I do feel like I notice it in general from epiandro. I did not notice more hair shedding using ultra hard than any other epiandro source. Many people have said they notice epiandro best at 900mg if taken orally. That's about the most I have taken orally but I stacked it with ultra epi too to hit the occasionally 1100-1250mg.

hair shedding was normal. aggression was high. libido high. towards the end of a run I notice some anxiety. When I run a high dose of epiandro, coming off I can feel a little bit of the blues like a depression mood. I've learned that I prefer to stagger my dosage down. like a 300mg oral every other day for a week or 2 when i'm completing my run. seems to keep me more even keel.
 
Dustin07 said:
dude I didn't realize you had a thread going too, lol.
but this is basically what I did, topical in the morning maybe with an oral on lifting days, then I'd pop the other oral with my preWO before heading to the gym.







I'm having a hard time noticing if I'm shedding naturally at this point or if it's the epiandro but I do feel like I notice it in general from epiandro. I did not notice more hair shedding using ultra hard than any other epiandro source. Many people have said they notice epiandro best at 900mg if taken orally. That's about the most I have taken orally but I stacked it with ultra epi too to hit the occasionally 1100-1250mg.

hair shedding was normal. aggression was high. libido high. towards the end of a run I notice some anxiety. When I run a high dose of epiandro, coming off I can feel a little bit of the blues like a depression mood. I've learned that I prefer to stagger my dosage down. like a 300mg oral every other day for a week or 2 when i'm completing my run. seems to keep me more even keel.
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Listen to Dustin boys he has ran cycles of epi low high and super high and triple killllllll lol he knows a thing or two about running high doses . I would lean on his knowledge I have
 
Haterank74 said:
Listen to Dustin boys he has ran cycles of epi low high and super high and triple killllllll lol he knows a thing or two about running high doses . I would lean on his knowledge I have
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I started really slow, like half doses on workout days only, preWO and worked up. I think it was Hyde who suggested that method for starting and it was MrKleen who mentioned needing like 600-900mg if using orally (IIRC, I don't want to put words in their mouthes....)
 
Day Four
Still running 6 pumps and let me tell you I actually think I look slightly leaner in my arms its weird; I sent a gym flexing pic to my brother and told him how I was one day 3 of Ultra Hard at the time and his reply in text "ewwww i think I'm seeing more definition bro for real " strength seems to be improving only 4 days in. Mood wise is the best I am in a constant like good / talkative mood just feeling more awake and mood wise great. Libido feels slightly stronger.

I am still applying all over both shoulders' traps and chest, it a little watery but nothing bad and absorbs well no real smell maybe slight medicinal alcohol but nothing offensive and so far pumps working great all pumps appear even in amount.

I have used a few of Iconics stuff and this does appear to make my shoulders slightly dry no real irritation at all but skin just feels a little dryer then normal, so at night I started using a light lotion actual one called moonlight zen lotion by bath and body works, yeah I know lol but hell it was a free gift to my wife from some lame co-worker and it smells decent and isn't greasy soooo been using that and seems to be helping alot.

i am applying all pumps AM

I will try to post up here and there and maybe make it into an all in one post , but who knows.
 
Joshlm69 said:
I have olive skin, so a lot more oily than a normal person. Never ever get dry skin. Ultra hard gave me dry skin after a week, first time in my life. As I mentioned above I fixed it by moisturising my upper body every day after applying it. So if you don't moisturise, its a guarantee you will end up with Dry, cracked, red skin, which really doesn't look very nice. I just used E45 Daily Moisturiser Lotion
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Yeah you were right it is a little drying, per your recommendation I started using some lotion at night to balance it out. So far this product has been great effect wise will report back. Have you ever tried there ALPHA 4 ? i heard good things and its one of the last products of there's I wanna run
 
Haterank74 said:
Yeah you were right it is a little drying, per your recommendation I started using some lotion at night to balance it out. So far this product has been great effect wise will report back. Have you ever tried there ALPHA 4 ? i heard good things and its one of the last products of there's I wanna run
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I’ve used it yes. Felt very good on it, joints felt great & put on some decent mass. I did get water retention in my face & stomach while using, but overall a v good product
 
Joshlm69 said:
I’ve used it yes. Felt very good on it, joints felt great & put on some decent mass. I did get water retention in my face & stomach while using, but overall a v good product
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if you had to compare vs Ultra Hard ? If you could pick only 1 which one would it be ?

What dose Alpha 4 did you run and how long. I am very interested in try it after this current run then PCT maybe run ALPHA 4 with 11 Ultra.

THANKS AGAIN I appreciate your Insite
 
Haterank74 said:
if you had to compare vs Ultra Hard ? If you could pick only 1 which one would it be ?

What dose Alpha 4 did you run and how long. I am very interested in try it after this current run then PCT maybe run ALPHA 4 with 11 Ultra.

THANKS AGAIN I appreciate your Insite
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Alpha Four if you’re bulking or using it as a test base
Ultra hard if you’re cutting

I can’t really do a fair comparison as I don’t touch androsterone anymore due to the risk of hair loss, but I think they were both great. Ultra hard did make me feel like I was 21 again & Alpha Four had me feeling strong AF and confident. You’ll have to find out for yourself!

I think I did 5 pumps a day for 8 weeks
 
Joshlm69 said:
Alpha Four if you’re bulking or using it as a test base
Ultra hard if you’re cutting

I can’t really do a fair comparison as I don’t touch androsterone anymore due to the risk of hair loss, but I think they were both great. Ultra hard did make me feel like I was 21 again & Alpha Four had me feeling strong AF and confident. You’ll have to find out for yourself!

I think I did 5 pumps a day for 8 weeks
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awesome info thanks again

yeah on Ultra Hard currently since 2/25 and I know this is early but so far mood wise this been one of the best products I have ever run
 
Hey @Joshlm69, I loved ultrahard as well but got super anxious about shedding on it. I am interested in 3-ad to see if thats better.

How would you compare alpha 4 to the new formeron?
 
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