Looking for something additional to add to improve libido and Test
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Ziyo
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Optimize T does not have the Ash
Esgor
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Oh yes, I mixed it up with Tongkat Ali.
Afi140
Legend
Love cloma-plex. It’s effects are definitely noticeable pretty quickly and the formula is great.
Cloma-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs
Boost your Test and reduce estrogen fast with Cloma-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs by CEL
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sns8778
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M-Test or Cloma-Plex either one will make for a great stack with Optimize-T.
Smont
Legend
Tadalafil give better erections but does nothing for libido
sns8778
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I never realized, or paid attention to up until the past year how many people thought of erection quality being the same or part of libido.
When I'd started discussing the upcoming Libido Boost XT originally, so many people started making comments on it associating it with erections that I had to take a step back and change up the formula quite a bit because even though libido is desire, not erection quality - so many people thought it was, that I had to change the formula some. It went from being just libido (desire) based to erection quality/endothelial health and libido based. That's one of the reasons it has taken longer to come out than originally planned. Then once I did change the formula, decided to push it back a little to wait for a new branded ingredient to come out that I wanted to include in it.
Smont
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Ya your definitely right. Id wager that 75% of the forum thinks libido means erections. It causes a lot of confusion when ppl are trying to trouble shoot there issues.
sns8778
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I agree. When I'd see libido and make suggestions, I used to just think in terms of desire; now I try to ask or see if I can tell which the person is thinking of to make sure I make the right suggestions.
Like desire wise - our Pine Pollen will put the desire part through the roof for a lot of people; but if someone is actually thinking erection quality and having issues with that part, having their desire go through the roof could be rough.
We should have Libido Boost XT out in the next couple of months and it had went from originally being a super potent libido/desire formula to being a formula that will still help with libido/desire but also added in things for erection quality.
Dustin07
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yup, this combo. Alpha Gel by itself is good, but I am enjoying M Test personally.
M test is another supplement that I have noticed my voice seems to be deeper on, strangely enough.
LeanEngineer
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Love cloma-plex. It’s effects are definitely noticeable pretty quickly and the formula is great.
Cloma-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs
Boost your Test and reduce estrogen fast with Cloma-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs by CEL
Can't go wrong with these options.
THEstudent
Member
Yeah I think for a lot of guys the increased ability to get erections from viagra,cialis, etc. makes them think it is actual increase in libido and it is....indirectly. For some pde5 inhibitors also increases the sensitivity of the penis which increases confidence because of the almost on demand ability to get an erection.
Smont
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Thats pretty irrelevant. When someone has erectile dysfunction it dosent matter if there libido is high, you still wont get hard. And having a healthy libido is a 24-7 thing. Not a only when your dicks hard thing
Smont
Legend
personal opinions are great, but personal opinion doesn't change the definition of words. We all like to associate libido with function and they do share times where one compliments the other. But when someone who legit has erectile dysfunction says they need something for libido, the boost in libido wont fix your ED. If fact its probably gonna get worse if you really have high urge but cant perform. Ever talk to anyone who runs deca only? You can get it up no problem but you have zero intrest in sex. No matter how much someone wants the words to mean the same thing, libido and erectile function are not interchangeable. People's personal feelings are mostly responsible for the conflict here. No1 wants to start a thread that says help my dick wont work, so they say libido and the confusion starts. I had this problem last year with a client in pct and post pct he kept saying he has no libido. Then eventually asked me for viagra. I said viagra wont fix libido and i could tell he was very comfused and thats where we figured it out. The poor guy has been telling me the wrong thing the whole time and because of that he couldn't solve the problem cus hes treating the wtong problem.
EpiStrong
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I initially put Tadalafil or cialis out there. If if doesn't get you hard, then yes you have a deeper lying problem.
I'm sorry if cialis/Tadalafil is not a viable item.... it also is shown to possibly increase LH....
For reference the OP is on optimize T, natty stuff.
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EpiStrong
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Effects of tadalafil treatment combined with physical activity in patients with low onset hypogonadism: results from a not-randomized single arm phase 2 study - PubMed
PA in association with phosphodiesterase V inhibitors could compensate the effects of hypogonadism on erectile function and facilitate the clinical response to these drugs even in the absence of adequate serum concentrations of total testosterone.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Smont
Legend
You have completely missed the point several times over. Libido and erection are 2 different things. I have no libido issues or ed problems, quite the opposite issue most of the time and its a bit annoying when you want it all the time and you got **** to get done cus its the middle of the day lol . But none of this thread is about me. Were trying to help ppl adress there problems. You getting sensitive and trying to crack jokes helps no1, especially if op does have that actual problem which later was adressed. No need to try to shift the goal post in your favor, it doesn't help anyone, it only makes you feel betterI'm just a dude. If you call up HIMS or another provider decide for yourself at less than 20 bucks a month last I saw. Best of luck brother, slay that wife.. or husband
Smont
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Spilanthes has popped up a lot when im looking for anti inflammatory ingredients, what do you find most notable about that stuff, like...... what would you say is the most stand out effect
EpiStrong
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I'm not sure where you're coming from buddy. If you have a problem with me solve it over private messages.
Being a natural I would whole heartedly recommend Tadalafil. You get a pump, lh benefits (raising t), Ed benefits.
Rockslide
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Libido- For me (everyone is different) , it helps mine more than Tongkat. I get more effect from it at 1 gram than I do with M Test .
I personally haven’t run some of the newer SNS/CEL formulations to compare it to those . Optimize T, cloma plex etc
Also ejaculatory volume goes way up. This makes sense as it is supposed to increase LH and FSH.
Based on that , not sure how much it would work on hormones/TRT. It enhances libido increase on enclomiphene though significantly for me though and seemed to plump things up and increase load volume when I ran before enclom.
As many herbs do it may have multiple mechanism of action so I don’t want to make a claim that it won’t work if someone is on injectable TRT. If it didn’t though that would be my hypothesis. It’s a great product though
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Smont
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I didn't have a problem, nor do i now, im also not going to argue with anyone on the internet. You just seem overly sensitive because i corrected something you said solely for helping the actual questions asked. If you need a good pat on the back to make you feel better tjen thats fine, i can help with that too.
Congrats bud, your the winner, your the king of the internet too. WINNING!
Congrats bud, your the winner, your the king of the internet too. WINNING!
WickedWarlock
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Smont
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Rockslide
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Also… just going to chime in and say
You can be hard as a rock and have no libido (interest in sex).
You can have high libido and not get hard. There is a little overlap as erection quality is related to multiple things besides blood flow (neuro transmitters etc) which is why some of the compounded ED meds have PT-141 and oxytocin troche to enhance them, but in general two totally different things
Take someone who is on hormone blockage for prostate cancer and have them inject trimix. Hard as a rock but won’t want to do anything with it (no libido)
You can be hard as a rock and have no libido (interest in sex).
You can have high libido and not get hard. There is a little overlap as erection quality is related to multiple things besides blood flow (neuro transmitters etc) which is why some of the compounded ED meds have PT-141 and oxytocin troche to enhance them, but in general two totally different things
Take someone who is on hormone blockage for prostate cancer and have them inject trimix. Hard as a rock but won’t want to do anything with it (no libido)
EpiStrong
Member
I've been with the libido craze since I was a teen. I've tried ksm, tongat, trib, basically every product over the years. My experience over time is that the "blue pill" is more beneficial than all... in my case I like cialis better vs viagra.
Saying to try HIMS or any other internet company was not a joke. It's about the same to get a months supply from either a supplement company supp or a pharma generic. Ed meds has worked better for me than any other multiple natty combo I've tried for my "libido"
Argument on definition of libido is awesome. I desire to have more sex while taking cialis... which I would equate to increased libido
Saying to try HIMS or any other internet company was not a joke. It's about the same to get a months supply from either a supplement company supp or a pharma generic. Ed meds has worked better for me than any other multiple natty combo I've tried for my "libido"
Argument on definition of libido is awesome. I desire to have more sex while taking cialis... which I would equate to increased libido
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sns8778
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The ongoing argument in this thread about the definition of libido illustrates what I was saying about why I had paused on the Libido Boost XT project and changed the formula up - bc the whole time when people were requesting it, I thought they were asking for a product to increase their libido (sexual desire) and then I realized that many people were actually meaning erection quality.
My thought with the original version of the formula was, as the name implies - making a formula for libido, or sexual desire. But I wound up changing things up and the formula will now contain 8 ingredients including 6 branded ingredients - 3 ingredients for libido, 3 ingredients for erection quality, and 2 additional ingredients for reasons I'll explain when we launch it.
I do wish people would use the correct terminology, but its not because I actually care how they phrase it, its just that using the correct terminology helps me be able to give the best answers to help people.
When it comes to sexual health, there are really 2 main aspects:
There are plenty of men that have plenty of sexual desire and want to have sex, but have issues achieving or maintaining an erection, so that keeps them from being able to do anything about it. They can sit and think about sex all the time, but not be able to have sex or at least not to their or their partners satisfaction.
For some men, the inability to get or maintain an erection can lead to a psychological loss of libido because they can become frustrated at themselves over the inability and it can lead to their libido going down bc of it.
For some men, improving erection quality may help them want to have sex more. Simply put, its easier for them to get hard, so they then want to do something about it.
For others, ED medications that increase erection quality can decrease actual libido. This can happen for a variety of reasons - headaches, blood pressure fluctuations associated with the ED medications, lessening sensation or feeling, etc.
I tried them years ago and found that to be the case for me - Cialis, Viagra, and Levitra all increase erection quality but absolutely killed my desire to have sex.
I hope this helps anyone reading whether now or in the future understand the subject better.
My thought with the original version of the formula was, as the name implies - making a formula for libido, or sexual desire. But I wound up changing things up and the formula will now contain 8 ingredients including 6 branded ingredients - 3 ingredients for libido, 3 ingredients for erection quality, and 2 additional ingredients for reasons I'll explain when we launch it.
I do wish people would use the correct terminology, but its not because I actually care how they phrase it, its just that using the correct terminology helps me be able to give the best answers to help people.
When it comes to sexual health, there are really 2 main aspects:
- Libido - which by definition is sexual desire.
- Erection quality - the ability to achieve &/or maintain an erection
There are plenty of men that have plenty of sexual desire and want to have sex, but have issues achieving or maintaining an erection, so that keeps them from being able to do anything about it. They can sit and think about sex all the time, but not be able to have sex or at least not to their or their partners satisfaction.
For some men, the inability to get or maintain an erection can lead to a psychological loss of libido because they can become frustrated at themselves over the inability and it can lead to their libido going down bc of it.
For some men, improving erection quality may help them want to have sex more. Simply put, its easier for them to get hard, so they then want to do something about it.
For others, ED medications that increase erection quality can decrease actual libido. This can happen for a variety of reasons - headaches, blood pressure fluctuations associated with the ED medications, lessening sensation or feeling, etc.
I tried them years ago and found that to be the case for me - Cialis, Viagra, and Levitra all increase erection quality but absolutely killed my desire to have sex.
I hope this helps anyone reading whether now or in the future understand the subject better.
Smont
Legend
Theres no actual argument boss, your trying to explain the same thig as me, same as rockslide. The distinction between the 2 things so ppl dont keep confusing the meaning and how to address there problems. The other guy is just ignoring the topic and changing words so he can feel like hes right. And i get it, thats how the world works now. If a man can identify as a woman, the high school kids get to identify as animals, Then the word libido can identify as whatever he wants it to. The world is a very confusing place these days. Im gonna get real crazy tonight and call my tricep extensions a big toe exercise.
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LeanEngineer
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Can't beat this combo in terms of natty test boosting.
Austin118
Member
Im surprise no one says Moringa and Garlic - i've run both seperately and loved the TEST boost i got off both, when i run a Test boosting libidio erection stack i add these 2 and pairing it with cialis makes cialis work better!
if anything Garlic with Cialis is great, i usually get bad headaches and eye pain when i take cialis, GARLIC stopped those side effects and kept everything balanced
if anything Garlic with Cialis is great, i usually get bad headaches and eye pain when i take cialis, GARLIC stopped those side effects and kept everything balanced
Austin118
Member
This would be my TEST BOOSTING/ERECTION Stack, mine you i have to take cialis but these make cialis work better
MORINGA
GARLIC
LONGVIDA CURCUMIN ( but apparently you shouldn't take curcumin with ginseng but ran it solo helped with boners)
KOREAN GINSENG
GOTU KOLA
SHODEN ASHWAGANDHA ( gave me wet dreams, only sup to ever do this)
SENSORIL ASHWAGANDHA ( whenever i take sensoril, i instantly respond to sexual stimuli within seconds which is amazing for me as it takes me ages in general)
RHODIHOLA ROSEA
all these a great for ED and desire
MORINGA
GARLIC
LONGVIDA CURCUMIN ( but apparently you shouldn't take curcumin with ginseng but ran it solo helped with boners)
KOREAN GINSENG
GOTU KOLA
SHODEN ASHWAGANDHA ( gave me wet dreams, only sup to ever do this)
SENSORIL ASHWAGANDHA ( whenever i take sensoril, i instantly respond to sexual stimuli within seconds which is amazing for me as it takes me ages in general)
RHODIHOLA ROSEA
all these a great for ED and desire
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Bob1983
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Do you find sensoril works better for you than ksm-66?
Austin118
Member
Yes Sensoril makes me calm and have good sleep, for sex it worked well and I also love Shoden as it gave me a wet dream within 3 days of using it which it's nuts, but also made my penis super plump and it felt bigger! Also increase my sexual stamina which I also get with Korean ginseng, I haven't had a wet dream in 3 years ( yes I know too much information)
Sensoril works way better for me then KSM66 does, KSM66 makes me freaking lazy, unmotivated, makes me question life, no libido either I only get decent sleep on it that's it!
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Austin118
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I take regular! Dosafe at 600mg for 2 weeks then I up it to 1200mg then cycle off,I tried black garlic and it upset my stomach for some reason, next will be trying KYOLIC garlic to see if it improves libido/test