Woman Doc Put Me on Kyzatrex

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I am 60. Lift and Gym = Healthy. T = 240. D = dead. Muscle Mass = leaving. So woman Doc put me on Kyatrex TRT. The problem is the oral T peaks and completely leaves my system in 12 hours. This **** is useless. I cant tell if I am 600 or 300. I want to be at 1000 average with less spikes, maybe blast for a month and get jacked. I god what I would give for a raging boner when some chick walked by.

But the women in the gym are outlifting me and I went and got a tattoo from a hot woman and despite her doing a complete sleeve and basically shoving her tits in my face for 3 hours my D didnt wake up.

My life is over.


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I hate to tell you this but the difference in 600 vs 1000 for your strength isint probably much. But, those fluctuations from 250-600 2× day are a bit bizzaro to me........ and i just remembered that kyzatrex is oral testosterone, i waould say im not happy with the fluctuations and how i feel and id like a referral to a endocrinologist and if she refuses i would make sure i have enough of my svript to last a while and id tell her im done with her services and will be finding a new doc.
I am by no means saying that is what everybody should do, I'm just saying that is what I would do
 
No mention of an endocrinologist. That bitch said "I might grow out of it".

Id like to get jacked and fix the D. Thats the plan.
 
TRT won’t give you raging boners just because you see attractive women, but I wake up hard and can easily get hard when the situation is right. Which is great, it’s perfect - just setting expectations so you don’t think it’s like Freshman year of highschool.

As for strength…that’s a factor more of training, so don’t expect to become a gorilla on 1-200mg of testosterone cyp per week. My strength definitely is most tied to how & where my training has been going over time

Also, I agree with everything Smont said wholeheartedly. Voice your grievances and pursue desired care. And don’t focus on absolute numbers, but rather how you feel. You might FEEL way better on even 100mg test/wk split over a couple slinpin injections, despite having the same ~600ng/dl total t levels. And you might still grow off that.
 
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Thanks for all the advice. Ill talk to the Queen of Scripts and report back. I do appreciate the wisdom imparted above. And @Hyde by raging boner, I really meant anything that isnt remotely soft, but it made me feel better to phrase it like that. I am trying to keep some sembalance of manhood here, which does not appear to be working for me anyway.
 
Oh boy. Is that what I have to look forward to? I’m 54 and that sounds a lot like me. I’m not on TRT but levels been dropping rapidly.

Doc is a free-range type of guy so “just change your diet…”. 😐
 
BlastDreams said:
I am 60. Lift and Gym = Healthy. T = 240. D = dead. Muscle Mass = leaving. So woman Doc put me on Kyatrex TRT. The problem is the oral T peaks and completely leaves my system in 12 hours. This **** is useless. I cant tell if I am 600 or 300. I want to be at 1000 average with less spikes, maybe blast for a month and get jacked. I god what I would give for a raging boner when some chick walked by.

But the women in the gym are outlifting me and I went and got a tattoo from a hot woman and despite her doing a complete sleeve and basically shoving her tits in my face for 3 hours my D didnt wake up.

My life is over.


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I've only read good things about Kyzatrex. The early peaks and evening drop off in levels reflects a healthy young mans natural rhythms. Trt isn't supposed to get you "jacked".
As to not finding the hot woman's tits arousing, not sure. I was a horn dog even when my levels were sub 200ng/dl. Is there a chance you just don't like chicks? No judgement, but what happens if you close your eyes and think of hairy men?
 
BlastDreams said:
Thanks for all the advice. Ill talk to the Queen of Scripts and report back. I do appreciate the wisdom imparted above. And @Hyde by raging boner, I really meant anything that isnt remotely soft, but it made me feel better to phrase it like that. I am trying to keep some sembalance of manhood here, which does not appear to be working for me anyway.
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No shame; it is what it is.

You can choose to accept the hand you’ve been dealt, or refuse to settle & look for solutions.
 
enigma2771 said:
I've only read good things about Kyzatrex. The early peaks and evening drop off in levels reflects a healthy young mans natural rhythms. Trt isn't supposed to get you "jacked".
As to not finding the hot woman's tits arousing, not sure. I was a horn dog even when my levels were sub 200ng/dl. Is there a chance you just don't like chicks? No judgement, but what happens if you close your eyes and think of hairy men?
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That Fluctuation does NOT mimic a natural healthy young mans natural rythems. Its bouncing from very low to mid range twice a day, a healthy fluctuation us about a 10-25% rise and fall not 50-70% rise and fall.
 
Sooooo, this doctor told a 60 year old man that he "might grow out of it" she should have her license revoked purely for stupidity
 
Smont said:
Sooooo, this doctor told a 60 year old man that he "might grow out of it" she should have her license revoked purely for stupidity
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I just shook my head when I read that; you couldn’t be any more dismissive & incompetent.
 
TRT is great. BUT you need to find an experienced doctor who is on board with it. Urologists and endocrinologists both do it, I have found better luck with urologists. I found mine by googling "TRT urologist <area>" and found a guy about a ten minute drive away who had a publication on TRT. So I went to him, he is not frankly the most sophisticated but he is highly enthusiastic. This is my base, and I supplement from there.
 
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Thanks for all your help. @Smont Here is my labs from yesterday. Oral T Kyzatrex, skipped morning dose, drew at 10 am. View attachment 246291
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Yeah, so this is basically what you’re waking up with before morning dose.

I’d be curious to see what total test is when you take morning dose normally but have blood drawn just before your second dose in the afternoon.

But in any case, you have low test levels while you sleep and until you take first dose at a minimum. So that will definitely not be as advantageous as a more round the clock level from injection.
 
I will test a full dose and mark it on this chart. But when I work out, I feel like I should not be at 200 when recovering. Maybe the solution for me is to inject and keep the pills. That combination offers a lot of control.

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I'm not familiar with Kyzatrex. I don't think I even know a single person who has been prescribed it. I know people prescribed gel, pellets, hcg, test, etc., with very satisfying results. But I don't think I know a single person who has ever even tried oral test for TRT. Why is this a favorable form of TRT compared to all the other options out there?
 
i talked with someone on jatenzo back in april ish face to face at work. they were on androgel for a long time before that and decided to try something different when he changed doctors. he said not much difference but insomnia if he took it before bed so he took it around dinner time instead and was ok with that
 
@lanky @Stacks1 @Hyde I am hitting that ****. I am jacked for 8 hours well I pump the iron. The next day they think I am hypogowhatever. I mean look at the graph I posted. Pill pop all weeklong. Monday you are nuts on, lean as a whisle.

But I degress. The Jury is out.
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I am not a huge fan of creams. I have a wife and kids, I don't want the stuff on my skin coming into contact with them. Injectables all the way. I recommend telling the doctor "Hey, I have a wife/girlfriend/small child and I don't want to risk the creams" and you will end up with injectables.
 
@BlastDreams - Thread on excelmale about what your doc's prescribed you, might find it interesting:

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Optimizing Oral Testosterone Undecanoate (Kyzatrex) TRT: All You Need to Know - ExcelMale - #1 TRT & Testosterone Forum | Expert-Moderated Men's Health Community

Transcript: Nelson Vergel: Hello, everybody. Nelson Vergel here with ExcelMale.com and DiscountedLabs.com. I'm very honored today to have one of the top urologists here in Texas. He's in Dallas, Dr. Andrew Sun. He's actually in Arlington, north of Dallas. Dr. Sun specializes in...
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rixrix said:
I am not a huge fan of creams. I have a wife and kids, I don't want the stuff on my skin coming into contact with them. Injectables all the way. I recommend telling the doctor "Hey, I have a wife/girlfriend/small child and I don't want to risk the creams" and you will end up with injectables.
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In practicality, is the testosterone from creams transferable to others if administered with a little care?
 
enigma2771 said:
@BlastDreams - Thread on excelmale about what your doc's prescribed you, might find it interesting:

www.excelmale.com

Optimizing Oral Testosterone Undecanoate (Kyzatrex) TRT: All You Need to Know - ExcelMale - #1 TRT & Testosterone Forum | Expert-Moderated Men's Health Community

Transcript: Nelson Vergel: Hello, everybody. Nelson Vergel here with ExcelMale.com and DiscountedLabs.com. I'm very honored today to have one of the top urologists here in Texas. He's in Dallas, Dr. Andrew Sun. He's actually in Arlington, north of Dallas. Dr. Sun specializes in...
www.excelmale.com www.excelmale.com
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Do you really wanna spend a bunch of time and effort Is trying to optimize a crap trt protocol when all you need to do is go to a a dr. Whos not a moron? If you were a 60-year-old man and your Doctor told you that you might grow out of your low testosterone would you continue to go to them??? Because that's not a real thing, you don't grow out of it lol. Thats what she told him lol
 
Nodus1 said:
In practicality, is the testosterone from creams transferable to others if administered with a little care?
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I would imagine rubbing it on your stomach and then throwing a shirt on would manage it pretty easily. I suppose if you're a nudist it would be more challenging though.
 
Smont said:
Do you really wanna spend a bunch of time and effort Is trying to optimize a crap trt protocol when all you need to do is go to a a dr. Whos not a moron? If you were a 60-year-old man and your Doctor told you that you might grow out of your low testosterone would you continue to go to them??? Because that's not a real thing, you don't grow out of it lol. Thats what she told him lol
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No i wouldn't, i was just sharing info. What i'd do is what i've actually done - bought ugl test-e from a reliable source and done the whole thing myself using a private blood testing company (Medichecks, UK) to monitor levels.
 
enigma2771 said:
No i wouldn't, i was just sharing info. What i'd do is what i've actually done - bought ugl test-e from a reliable source and done the whole thing myself using a private blood testing company (Medichecks, UK) to monitor levels.
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I do the same 😁
 
BlastDreams said:
No wonder I cant get it up

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enigma2771 said:
Why don't you just buy some ug testosterone and do this yourself? If you know what you're doing and keep up with bloodwork, i can't see why you'd want to go through using a doctor and being at their mercy.
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Agreed on the test, a person with some regular bloodwork and a general understanding of the drugs should be able to do there own trt but unfortunately most ppl dont even slightly understand how anabolics or trt work, never mind l side effect management.
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enigma2771 said:
Why don't you just buy some ug testosterone and do this yourself? If you know what you're doing and keep up with bloodwork, i can't see why you'd want to go through using a doctor and being at their mercy.
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My feeling is that using UG for AAS is typically a must. But for someone who just legit wants test for a real TRT need, in the actual medical sense, shouldn't have to resort to UG. Personally, I would exhaust all my medical sources first before just resorting to UG TRT for the rest of my life.

It's different for us because we use UG products all the time. But this can't be expected for everyone who needs TRT. And from what I've seen, with a little bit of effort, OP should be able to get a script for legit test.
 
@enigma2771 @Stacks1 @Smont This forum has been great for me. Its been really nice to go somewhere where people are knowledgable and can chime in.

Basically I am healthy. Zero problems with anything. PSA was 0.5. I lift heavy in the gym, I am sure much heavier then Stacks1. Noticed all the symptoms of low T, I wont name them all you all know what they are. Bottom line I test at about 220 ng/dl T natty.

With zero knowledge I decided to go to the doc this thread is named for. She put me on this oral T Kyzatrex which is some crap that disapears (see the graph above).

So my plan is to go to a Urologist get a diagnosis of hypogonadism and get injectable T covered by insurance. This is a decent plan becuase once I get that it will cover a lifetime of injectable T. I will then use ugl and maybe this **** kiddy garbage crap Kyzatrex (I dont reccomend this garbage) to blast when ever I want to.

That is the plan and no Stacks I dont need your help but thanks anyway.
 
I mean if it’s not covered by insurance injectable is the most cost effective . 12 weeks at 160 mg/wk (1 vial) for 50-100 bucks at most pharmacies with a script.

The kyatrex is going to be around $500 a month . If she just sampled it to you and didn’t tell you that ,she is even more clueless than her lack of trt knowledge suggests

You could probably go back to her and say that it is way too expensive , you want injectable .

Same with creams as kyatrex … they are expensive and don’t work well unless doctor is targeting levels of 450-500. Decent option for really old bachelors without families who are afraid of needles , otherwise would avoid

Best bet is to find a good pcp who is open to trt/hrt, next best bet is go to a urologist
 
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I am a strong proponent of doing TRT the "right way" with a urologist.

I am always concerned that the flow of UGL stuff could dry up, nobody in charge cares right now about personal use and it's cheap and easy. But what happens if the feds decide to treat it more like other illicit drugs? If they decide five vials of test are jailable? Having a legal TRT prescription is insurance. Legal TRT gives me cover although most employment drug tests don't cover steroids and I'm not about to compete athletically.

And there is the real insurance aspect as well. I get 100mg a week of test, that is $10 every 90 days, so about $40 a year for what would be $160 to $200 on the illicit market. And it gets shipped to my door with UPS from a licensed pharmacy, most recently it was Pfizer brand. I also get liver and testosterone values for a few dollars. I paid $2 for my most recent liver values test since it was mostly covered by my health insurance ($100 negotiated down to $20 by the insurance company, I paid 10%).

The negatives:

Most doctors, even specialists know much less than the bro-science guys, I hate to say. So you will both have to find your guy, and also advocate for yourself with what you learn on boards like this one.

You can't talk to your doctor about any 'extras' . I made that mistake once with my PCP. Never again. She told me she could lose her license for insurance fraud if she ordered liver tests and didn't note the reason. We compromised on the fact that her notes would not include the specific substance involved (it was TBOL) and I learned a hard lesson. So use the bros on the boards, they live this stuff and find a way to get the extra blood tests yourself.
 
Wow what a great forum. Lot of knowledge being shared here.
1. "The kyatrex is going to be around $500 a month." Actually I pay $130
2. @rixrix I am going to follow in your footsteps. I am going to go the legal and insurance way.
3. I might also get an extra 6 months supply of extra injectable, so I will have it for the gym.
 
BlastDreams said:
Wow what a great forum. Lot of knowledge being shared here.
1. "The kyatrex is going to be around $500 a month." Actually I pay $130
2. @rixrix I am going to follow in your footsteps. I am going to go the legal and insurance way.
3. I might also get an extra 6 months supply of extra injectable, so I will have it for the gym.
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Wonder if its come down , or getting it though a speciality pharmacy? Honestly don’t know anyone who’s ever written it. There is a competing brand that is in that ballpark price wise.

Hopefully eventually the stigma with trt will change. It’s imbedded in medicine because of PEDs in sports , anti male propaganda , and a few poorly designed studies from 20+ years ago . They aren’t easy to find but their are knowledgeable primary docs out there about it. Benefit of this is they will deal with your associated health issues over the years too. In general urologists are going to be a lot more “trt friendly” as a group and as a group know more , but are going to be less helpful dealing with other health issues.

“hey doc I check my BP at home and sometimes it’s up a little, I’m worried about cardiovascular risk . Could I try some telmisartan “

good pcp- sure
Urologist - go see your pcp




This tip may be useful….

Look for doctors in your area that do testosterone pellets . Many of these doctors are cash only , and for the pellets definitely cash only , but many have general practices that do pellets on the side . The pellet literature/community isn’t about the 299 low and 301 normal BS. Call those clinics and nicely ask the desk if they treat low T patients and when they say yes, ask if they do pellets only or other options. The pellet community targets levels of 800-1200 in general . This is a good way to find a general doctor who understands replacement , managing estrogen appropriately and can deal with other issues
 
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Rockslide said:
Wonder if its come down , or getting it though a speciality pharmacy? Honestly don’t know anyone who’s ever written it. There is a competing brand that is in that ballpark price wise.

Hopefully eventually the stigma with trt will change. It’s imbedded in medicine because of PEDs in sports , anti male propaganda , and a few poorly designed studies from 20+ years ago . They aren’t easy to find but their are knowledgeable primary docs out there about it. Benefit of this is they will deal with your associated health issues over the years too. In general urologists are going to be a lot more “trt friendly” as a group and as a group know more , but are going to be less helpful dealing with other health issues.

“hey doc I check my BP at home and sometimes it’s up a little, I’m worried about cardiovascular risk . Could I try some telmisartan “

good pcp- sure
Urologist - go see your pcp
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Good advice. I would say I personally would check blood pressure regularly on TRT. I use a Bluetooth model that automatically records history to an app, a scale that uses the same app for weight, and a smartwatch for pulse and sleep. But you need to keep on top of all the blood pressure meds, too. My doctor prescribed me a medication that caused erectile dysfunction. It took me a long time to figure out I needed to change from metoprolol to nebivolol.
 
I just went down the rabbit hole on telmisartan, as mentioned by @Rockslide above. I learn stuff every day here as I had not heard of Telmisartan before.

You're telling me that **** makes my dick hard AND burns visceral fat? Sign me up.

I just requested that I get switched from Benazepril to Telmisartan as my main BP medicine.

By the way, if you intend to take high stim preworkouts and steroids, BP lowering medication is probably a really good idea.

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Don’t forget that it’s being placed on the list of substances to monitor for potential performance enhancement in sports. It’s a weak PPAR, it may have cardarine like effects , though weaker and it’s non selective to one ppar receptor irrc (no concern about the cancer thing which IMO is not overblown like bro scientists and YouTubers say it is)
 
You’re not going to notice endurance, erectile, or body composition effects from Telmisartan in a practical sense. All of those things are just on paper benefits, I promise you firsthand - but that does mean it’s generally “good for you” overall on paper, and if your BP shoots up when you add steroids it’s very much the ideal drug to add.

The lone thing you will need to monitor is your potassium levels, which will be a normal part of your CMP/CBC bloodwork. Telmisartan will raise it slightly, so you just want to make sure your diet isn’t sending potassium into dangerously elevated concentrations. I’ve only heard one coach having a client eating so many veggies in a bodybuilding prep that they had to limit them to reign in her potassium on her ARB.

My potassium just goes up like 0.1-0.2, nothing scary. But I do see it when I add it in or pull it out in the bloodwork.
 
Agree, it’s kind of silly that it’s on the watch list . Have I used that fact to convince someone who needed but didn’t want to be on a BP med to be on one though, absolutely .

It’s a great BP med because it’s potent , low on side effects, and has a 24 hour half life. BP gets managed inappropriately in a lot by people being prescribed meds with 6-12 hour half lives . You spend 1/3 of your life sleeping and nocturnal hypertension is just as bad or worse

The hyperkalemia becomes a concern in those with poor kidney function , renal artery stenosis , concurrent use of potassium sparing diuretics. 2 of those 3 things are pretty common in high level body builders. The other is just a rareish thing
 
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I suspect it has no acute endurance effects like cardarine does. A single dose of cardarine can bump up a VO2 max or take tens of seconds of a minute off a mile run pace even in trained athletes. Or allow a lower HR zone at the same pace

If telmisartan enhances performance it’s probably more of a thing like this

Someone decides to start a running program for 1 year. At the end of that year two identical subjects who trained the same , maybe the one who took telmisartan had a small bump in VO2 max or lactate threshold compared to the other group who trained identically. Maybe even only statistically but not clinically relevant . Study hasn’t been done to my knowledge though
 
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