TRT....should I take it?

SpartanMuscle7

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Hello all.....This is my first post.

I discovered this forum via Reddit and was told you guys really know your stuff so hence my post......

I apologize if this is not the proper place to post this as I am new.

Im a 50 year old male in great shape, working out 5 days per week, cardio 5x per week at 40 min sessions and a perfect diet dialed in from a pro dietacian bodybuilder.

I just had my bloodwork which is amazing and my test level is at 546 which I was told is good for my age.

However, a good friend who is also my age is on TRT and told me that 90% of the guys in the gym are on it. He said he feels amazing with energy of a 25 year old, recoveres fast, adds muscle on faster, loses fat faster, better sleep, on and on.

These are all the reasons I'd want to take it but I have done a farily decent amount of research and I'm on the fence about it. I can argue both why to take and not to.

I ordered my first 10 week supply of TRT and it's on the way but I really would like input from some of you all who have been there and done it. I truly appreciate your advice in advance.

I also had another friend tell me to get on enclomiphene which is just as good.

Thank you!
 
With natural levels that high at 50, I wouldn’t mess with anything.
At 38 my levels were 200, so making the lifelong commitment made sense.
I don’t think you’re going to feel a miracle drug type boost like your buddies are telling you.
 
itanius said:
With natural levels that high at 50, I wouldn’t mess with anything.
At 38 my levels were 200, so making the lifelong commitment made sense.
I don’t think you’re going to feel a miracle drug type boost like your buddies are telling you.
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I appreciate your feedback.

Anyone else?
 
I can’t believe any Doctor or clinic for that matter would give you TRT as your levels are high for your age. That being said I know 3-4 people who got on TRT in their late 40s and although feeling good they don’t look any different body wise except more bloated….it’s definitely not magic
 
Dblock said:
I can’t believe any Doctor or clinic for that matter would give you TRT as your levels are high for your age. That being said I know 3-4 people who got on TRT in their late 40s and although feeling good they don’t look any different body wise except more bloated….it’s definitely not magic
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You assumed I got this from a doctor. I did not. I spoke to my PCP about it and she said you really don't need it and I don't recommend you do it since you are at 546 already but if you do, you surely would feel better and only take half what they prescribed you.

I got this from one of the many companies that offer it for sale.

My trainer is 40 years old and not only looks amazing, but feels fantastic. I am not doing this just for aesthetic reasons but for energy, better sleep, and higher libido. There are a lot of people who just get it and don't do the mandatory items like weight training, cardio, and diet. I do as I mentioned it.
 
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Numbers are just that, numbers. They don't explain how you feel each and everyday and if that could be improved. You'll know within 4-6 weeks (libido the first couple weeks) if increasing your levels to 800-1000 is helping. A good TRT doc goes off of both numbers and your actual symptoms.

You're 50. Go for it.
 
Admin said:
Numbers are just that, numbers. They don't explain how you feel each and everyday and if that could be improved. You'll know within 4-6 weeks (libido the first couple weeks) if increasing your levels to 800-1000 is helping. A good TRT doc goes off of both numbers and your actual symptoms.

You're 50. Go for it.
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I really appreciate your feedback. You being a moderator, I'm sure has seen a lot.

I do agree with you in that numbers are numbers.......symptoms are another real world metric.

Thanks again bud!
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
However, a good friend who is also my age is on TRT and told me that 90% of the guys in the gym are on it. He said he feels amazing with energy of a 25 year old, recoveres fast, adds muscle on faster, loses fat faster, better sleep, on and on.
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You will find stories like that a lot but its usually overstated. Will you benefit, sure....but I see a lot of guys go on and the excitement itself tends to give reaction like the one above. After years on TRT, that tends to to fade a lot and reality sets in. It really isn't a magic pill or answer for that matter.
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
Hello all.....This is my first post.

I discovered this forum via Reddit and was told you guys really know your stuff so hence my post......

I apologize if this is not the proper place to post this as I am new.

Im a 50 year old male in great shape, working out 5 days per week, cardio 5x per week at 40 min sessions and a perfect diet dialed in from a pro dietacian bodybuilder.

I just had my bloodwork which is amazing and my test level is at 546 which I was told is good for my age.

However, a good friend who is also my age is on TRT and told me that 90% of the guys in the gym are on it. He said he feels amazing with energy of a 25 year old, recoveres fast, adds muscle on faster, loses fat faster, better sleep, on and on.

These are all the reasons I'd want to take it but I have done a farily decent amount of research and I'm on the fence about it. I can argue both why to take and not to.

I ordered my first 10 week supply of TRT and it's on the way but I really would like input from some of you all who have been there and done it. I truly appreciate your advice in advance.

I also had another friend tell me to get on enclomiphene which is just as good.

Thank you!
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I would try the enclomiphene first before I go full blown TRT. Your numbers are pretty good and you seem to be feeling pretty good. Enclomiphene will boost your own endogenous testosterone levels and it may be all you need to get that extra boost you are looking for. You can always step it up to full TRT if the enclomiphene does nothing for you.
 
THEstudent said:
I would try the enclomiphene first before I go full blown TRT. Your numbers are pretty good and you seem to be feeling pretty good. Enclomiphene will boost your own endogenous testosterone levels and it may be all you need to get that extra boost you are looking for. You can always step it up to full TRT if the enclomiphene does nothing for you.
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Thank you so much. I made an appointment with my doctor yesterday to ask if this is something she can prescribe to me.

Is this something that needs to be prescribed or is the an over the counter item?
 
THEstudent said:
I would try the enclomiphene first before I go full blown TRT.
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I'm in a similar situation to the OP and this is what I would suggest also. I'm 60 years old, in the best shape that I've been in in a while, workout 4-5 days a week and my diet is better than it's ever been.

While I don't look, feel or act anywhere close to my age the calendar doesn't lie. I"m also in that same in between area. Test levels too high to go on TRT but not what they used to be.

When I did bloodwork I told the doctor "I don't unrealistically expect to feel the same as I did at 20, you're telling me that me test levels are ok, but I can tell that I don't feel as good overall as I did just ten years ago."

His response was "You probably had pretty high test levels when you where younger so for you your current levels are comparatively low relative to what you were used to operating on which is why you clearly don't feel the same. But no one is going to put you on TRT at your current levels."

I ended up going on enclomiphene and haven't felt this good in years. Maybe decades. My energy, recovery, workout results, sleep quality (if anything I seem to need less sleep) have all been enhanced. About the only area where I was a bit disappointed was in libido. This hasn't been a problem and it was fine to begin with but I anticipated that I might see an increase but didn't see any change positive or negative. Many report a big increase but I didn't experience that.
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
Thank you so much. I made an appointment with my doctor yesterday to ask if this is something she can prescribe to me.

Is this something that needs to be prescribed or is the an over the counter item?
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Enclomiphene is technically a drug and not a supplement. I don't know about if your doctor will prescribe it but I do know that there are online companies that will (you'll have to send them bloodwork and sign up with them).

Personally I've been going with online "research chemical" sites. The problem with this is that you have to really research the company. Some are great and have third party certificates of authenticity to confirm that you're actually getting what the label says. Others are complete fly by night garbage so who knows what their quality control looks like or if you're actually getting what the label says.
 
johnl1800 said:
I'm in a similar situation to the OP and this is what I would suggest also. I'm 60 years old, in the best shape that I've been in in a while, workout 4-5 days a week and my diet is better than it's ever been.

While I don't look, feel or act anywhere close to my age the calendar doesn't lie. I"m also in that same in between area. Test levels too high to go on TRT but not what they used to be.

When I did bloodwork I told the doctor "I don't unrealistically expect to feel the same as I did at 20, you're telling me that me test levels are ok, but I can tell that I don't feel as good overall as I did just ten years ago."

His response was "You probably had pretty high test levels when you where younger so for you your current levels are comparatively low relative to what you were used to operating on which is why you clearly don't feel the same. But no one is going to put you on TRT at your current levels."

I ended up going on enclomiphene and haven't felt this good in years. Maybe decades. My energy, recovery, workout results, sleep quality (if anything I seem to need less sleep) have all been enhanced. About the only area where I was a bit disappointed was in libido. This hasn't been a problem and it was fine to begin with but I anticipated that I might see an increase but didn't see any change positive or negative. Many report a big increase but I didn't experience that.
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Yeah libido is a complex thing. For some guys simply an increase in test raises libido but for others you have to have a raise in test and estrogen in a certain range, etc.
 
johnl1800 said:
I'm in a similar situation to the OP and this is what I would suggest also. I'm 60 years old, in the best shape that I've been in in a while, workout 4-5 days a week and my diet is better than it's ever been.

While I don't look, feel or act anywhere close to my age the calendar doesn't lie. I"m also in that same in between area. Test levels too high to go on TRT but not what they used to be.

When I did bloodwork I told the doctor "I don't unrealistically expect to feel the same as I did at 20, you're telling me that me test levels are ok, but I can tell that I don't feel as good overall as I did just ten years ago."

His response was "You probably had pretty high test levels when you where younger so for you your current levels are comparatively low relative to what you were used to operating on which is why you clearly don't feel the same. But no one is going to put you on TRT at your current levels."

I ended up going on enclomiphene and haven't felt this good in years. Maybe decades. My energy, recovery, workout results, sleep quality (if anything I seem to need less sleep) have all been enhanced. About the only area where I was a bit disappointed was in libido. This hasn't been a problem and it was fine to begin with but I anticipated that I might see an increase but didn't see any change positive or negative. Many report a big increase but I didn't experience that.
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Thank you so much for your reply. It certainly was enlighting!

I'm very torn with taking TRT or not. As I mentioned, I can argue taking it and not taking it.

I feel almost guilty tampering with a perfectly "healthy" amount of TRT. I also don't know if I will like having to stick myself 2x per week and possible testicale shrinkage.

However, I want that extra burst of energy. Energy is probably the most important reason I'm doing this. Everyone that is on TRT tells me the energy is wonderful but also the enhancement in muscle gain, better sleep, libido, and easier fat loss. So it's very tough.

I'm going to see if I can get enclominphine. If not, I'm probably going to do TRT.
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
I also don't know if I will like having to stick myself 2x per week
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I think this is what holds most ppl back from taking TRT. And knowing that once you start it your pretty much on it for the rest of your life.
 
THEstudent said:
I would try the enclomiphene first before I go full blown TRT. Your numbers are pretty good and you seem to be feeling pretty good. Enclomiphene will boost your own endogenous testosterone levels and it may be all you need to get that extra boost you are looking for. You can always step it up to full TRT if the enclomiphene does nothing for you.
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This would be my advice if you don’t have the symptoms needed for TRT. Especially if the needle aspect bothers you. As some stated above this is not a miracle drug that’s going to change everything. Keep us in the loop how it goes.
 
cheftepesh1 said:
This would be my advice if you don’t have the symptoms needed for TRT. Especially if the needle aspect bothers you. As some stated above this is not a miracle drug that’s going to change everything. Keep us in the loop how it goes.
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I appreciate your recommendation.

I'm sure I can get over the needle especially if it's as good as what I'm hearing.

The supply comes this Tuesday. I'm also going to see if I can talk to my PCP regariding enclomiphine which I'm in doubt she will give it to me.

That said, does anyone know where I can get enclominphine?

My business partner told me about Maximus Tribe. Are they good?
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
I appreciate your recommendation.

I'm sure I can get over the needle especially if it's as good as what I'm hearing.

The supply comes this Tuesday. I'm also going to see if I can talk to my PCP regariding enclomiphine which I'm in doubt she will give it to me.

That said, does anyone know where I can get enclominphine?

My business partner told me about Maximus Tribe. Are they good?
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I think MA carries it. If not DM me I’m
Might have a place.
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
@cheftepesh1 Appreciate you bro!

Ran into someone in the gym today and spoke to him about enclomiphine. He was telling me he doesn't do it because of the side effects which he didn't go into but what is the concern about it? Do you know?
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I’ve heard of acne, dizziness and headaches. Most people I know on cycles use it
 
Personally I haven't experienced any negative side effects from enclomiphene myself but these are some of the things that have been reported.

https://www.maximustribe.com/resources/what-are-the-side-effects-of-enclomiphene

"Research on the safety of enclomiphene has found no evidence of drug toxicity. And rates of adverse events do not seem to be significantly different from placebo. From dizziness observed in just 1% of patients to headaches observed in 3%, the most common enclomiphene side effects were considered minimal."
  • Headache (observed in 3.3% of patients)
  • Nausea (2.1%)
  • Diarrhea (1.9%)
  • Common Cold (1.7%)
  • Hot flush (1.7%)
  • Joint pain (1.2%)
  • Dizziness (1%)
 
johnl1800 said:
Personally I haven't experienced any negative side effects from enclomiphene myself but these are some of the things that have been reported.

https://www.maximustribe.com/resources/what-are-the-side-effects-of-enclomiphene

"Research on the safety of enclomiphene has found no evidence of drug toxicity. And rates of adverse events do not seem to be significantly different from placebo. From dizziness observed in just 1% of patients to headaches observed in 3%, the most common enclomiphene side effects were considered minimal."
  • Headache (observed in 3.3% of patients)
  • Nausea (2.1%)
  • Diarrhea (1.9%)
  • Common Cold (1.7%)
  • Hot flush (1.7%)
  • Joint pain (1.2%)
  • Dizziness (1%)
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Thank you so much! Great resource here.

That said, the TRT just got delivered and man, am I tempted. LOL
 
Spoke to the nurse practioner and medical director where I purchased the TRT from and he, on his own account, recommended that I try enclomiphine. So I ordered it and will try this first.
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
I appreciate your feedback.

Anyone else?
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If your natural levels are in the 500’s at 50 years old you shouldn’t start TRT all you’re going to do is crush your natural levels of T and cause more problems down the road. Wait until your levels get to less than 350 then explore it. Just FYI I’ve been on TRT for 11 years.
 
sammpedd88 said:
If your natural levels are in the 500’s at 50 years old you shouldn’t start TRT all you’re going to do is crush your natural levels of T and cause more problems down the road. Wait until your levels get to less than 350 then explore it. Just FYI I’ve been on TRT for 11 years.
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I really appreciate your input especially being that you are on it for 11 years.

If you see my most recent post, I'm going to try enclomiphine first. Just ordered it. My friend told me about it and said, this could double my natural test.
 
SpartanMuscle7 said:
I really appreciate your input especially being that you are on it for 11 years.

If you see my most recent post, I'm going to try enclomiphine first. Just ordered it. My friend told me about it and said, this could double my natural test.
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If you double your test levels then you’ll be out of normal range which is not what TRT is. If you’re not concerned with that then why not do a cycle?
 
sammpedd88 said:
If you double your test levels then you’ll be out of normal range which is not what TRT is. If you’re not concerned with that then why not do a cycle?
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because encyclo is stimulating natural production. taking trt can shut off natural production, so if he stops encyclo or doesnt get his shipment he'll just go back to where he was before. also, 1000 is not outside of the normal testosterone range. there may be some benefit in adding topical dhea to ensure sufficient substrate and also whatever else you can supplementally to help with free test levels
 
thescience said:
because encyclo is stimulating natural production. taking trt can shut off natural production, so if he stops encyclo or doesnt get his shipment he'll just go back to where he was before. also, 1000 is not outside of the normal testosterone range. there may be some benefit in adding topical dhea to ensure sufficient substrate and also whatever else you can supplementally to help with free test levels
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It disagreeing with you at all. But Lap Corp now has a reference range for total T of 264 - 916 according to my recent labs. That’s neither here nor there. What I’m getting at with OP is he originally asked about TRT with his T levels and any sound person would agree TRT is not good in his case. If he’s wanting T levels in the upper range then why not do a cycle if he’s not opposed to pinning test. In my opinion that’s the answer he’s fishing for.
 
sammpedd88 said:
It disagreeing with you at all. But Lap Corp now has a reference range for total T of 264 - 916 according to my recent labs. That’s neither here nor there. What I’m getting at with OP is he originally asked about TRT with his T levels and any sound person would agree TRT is not good in his case. If he’s wanting T levels in the upper range then why not do a cycle if he’s not opposed to pinning test. In my opinion that’s the answer he’s fishing for.
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because he doesnt want to potentially cause suppression, infertility etc. 1000 produced is different than an exogenously induced 1000
 
I'd rather not kill my own test especially if it is considered a "healthy level" which 546 is for my age. That said, I want to be "optimal" which most guys tell me it is in the 800-1000 range that they feel it.

So I'm opting for enclom so I can keep my natural test and hopefully get to those optimal ranges to feel the benefits of a higher test.
 
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