Trenavar, how bad for endurance?

[tom_poland]

Hi

When you guys used trenavar how much did it affect endurance?

I an going back to training kick-boxing, was thinking about doing a cut with trenavar but I wonder how much it affects endurance at lower dose (90mg)?

Would be great to get anwsers from someone who used it, many threads get off topic replies.

Thanks

 

[Smont]

It's not tren

 

[Ironpirate]

Cardarine can help

 

[Hyde]

It's not tren

I’m telling you I got every classic side of Tren besides the cough, the only one you can’t get. Feels just like dosing Tren No Ester, with a side of heartburn. It’s a direct PH to trenbolone.

Rage, ego, libido, difficulty climaxing, acne, gyno aggravation, bad lipids, high bp, massively winded in later weeks, terrific strength gains, lean mass, hot after meals, big metabolism elevation, worse sleep, everything.

It’s like dropping Tren NE throughout the day. I remember being on 210mg, and the night before comp getting out of breath laying down in bed. I was warming up for squats next morning, doing singles, and I found a folding chair to sit in & pant while my wife loaded my plates between sets.

150mg is a powerful sweet spot. I have used 90mg added to my stack though at other times with good success though too. But that’s probably not enough solo.

 

[PhantomReaper]

I’m telling you I got every classic side of Tren besides the cough, the only one you can’t get. Feels just like dosing Tren No Ester, with a side of heartburn. It’s a direct PH to trenbolone.

Rage, ego, libido, difficulty climaxing, acne, gyno aggravation, bad lipids, high bp, massively winded in later weeks, terrific strength gains, lean mass, hot after meals, big metabolism elevation, worse sleep, everything.

It’s like dropping Tren NE throughout the day. I remember being on 210mg, and the night before comp getting out of breath laying down in bed. I was warming up for squats next morning, doing singles, and I found a folding chair to sit in & pant while my wife loaded my plates between sets.

150mg is a powerful sweet spot. I have used 90mg added to my stack though at other times with good success though too. But that’s probably not enough solo.

Does not sound like fun..
Tren above 40-45 is extremely risky..
Not familiar with the Trenavar..
Tren No Ester I am familiar with, too strong..
Z

 

[tom_poland]

thanks for replies.

I will start @ 60mg and see if it does anything positive or negative

I am not bodybuilding so in my situation 60-90mg with androtest should be enough

If it affects cardio/BP too much I will switch it.
Will update when anything changes in case someone else has similar question in the future.

Have a good day.

 

[Smont]

I’m telling you I got every classic side of Tren besides the cough, the only one you can’t get. Feels just like dosing Tren No Ester, with a side of heartburn. It’s a direct PH to trenbolone.

Rage, ego, libido, difficulty climaxing, acne, gyno aggravation, bad lipids, high bp, massively winded in later weeks, terrific strength gains, lean mass, hot after meals, big metabolism elevation, worse sleep, everything.

It’s like dropping Tren NE throughout the day. I remember being on 210mg, and the night before comp getting out of breath laying down in bed. I was warming up for squats next morning, doing singles, and I found a folding chair to sit in & pant while my wife loaded my plates between sets.

150mg is a powerful sweet spot. I have used 90mg added to my stack though at other times with good success though too. But that’s probably not enough solo.

Thought trenavar was the one similar to dienolone. In this case I dont believe I've used trenaver than. What's the other ph with tren in the name?

 

[Stacks1]

Thought trenavar was the one similar to dienolone. In this case I dont believe I've used trenaver than. What's the other ph with tren in the name?

I think dienedione is the one similar to dienolone. Personally, I found dienedione to be stronger than dienolone, which is odd because it's the PH to dienolone.

Trenevar is trendione I belive. Although I feel like you're right and there was another "tren" compound out there... can't remember though.

 

[Smont]

 

[Smont]

Antus labs "check spelling" had a ph that I think was called trenazol or trenazone or trenavar or something lol, but I think that's what I'm thinking of and it was dienolone or diendione

 

[Hyde]

Thought trenavar was the one similar to dienolone. In this case I dont believe I've used trenaver than. What's the other ph with tren in the name?

I think dienedione is the one similar to dienolone. Personally, I found dienedione to be stronger than dienolone, which is odd because it's the PH to dienolone.

Trenevar is trendione I belive. Although I feel like you're right and there was another "tren" compound out there... can't remember though.

Xtren was Dienedione. It is a methylated PH to Dienelone, and as mentioned very stout. 60-120mg/day was what you typically saw. Wet size & strength.

Trenavar/Tvar was Trendione, PH to trenbolone. Obviously no ester, and had a faster half life. Use it like Tren Ace. It was commonly dosed entirely too low, 90mg is about the lowest effective dose for many but it truly got better and better the more you would take up to ~200/day. Or 60-90 as a preWO option compared to Tren No Ester. For convenience and legality it made sense at the time, but now it’s a huge waste of money. Better to get a $40 vial of Tren Ace and some slinpins. And if you just want a fast oral preWO, most things are going to be cheaper these days.

 

[Smont]

Sounds like I need some trenavar lol

 

[Stacks1]

Xtren was Dienedione. It is a methylated PH to Dienelone, and as mentioned very stout. 60-120mg/day was what you typically saw. Wet size & strength.

Trenavar/Tvar was Trendione, PH to trenbolone. Obviously no ester, and had a faster half life. Use it like Tren Ace. It was commonly dosed entirely too low, 90mg is about the lowest effective dose for many but it truly got better and better the more you would take up to ~200/day. Or 60-90 as a preWO option compared to Tren No Ester. For convenience and legality it made sense at the time, but now it’s a huge waste of money. Better to get a $40 vial of Tren Ace and some slinpins. And if you just want a fast oral preWO, most things are going to be cheaper these days.

Even though it's the PH to dienolone, I would swear X-Tren was stronger than dienolone. I know it makes absolutely no sense. But the amount of size and strength it packs on and how fast is freaky. I don't know if I can think of anything that put on as much size and as quick as dienedione. Having said that, I'll never take it again lol.

 

[Smont]

Even though it's the PH to dienolone, I would swear X-Tren was stronger than dienolone. I know it makes absolutely no sense. But the amount of size and strength it packs on and how fast is freaky. I don't know if I can think of anything that put on as much size and as quick as dienedione. Having said that, I'll never take it again lol.

it might also be active on it's own? Maybe like how hdrol converts to tbol a little and is active also. I prefer hdrol over tbol, but then again I've never used 125mg tbol lol

 

[Hyde]

Even though it's the PH to dienolone, I would swear X-Tren was stronger than dienolone. I know it makes absolutely no sense. But the amount of size and strength it packs on and how fast is freaky. I don't know if I can think of anything that put on as much size and as quick as dienedione. Having said that, I'll never take it again lol.

You’re not crazy at all; this is pretty well-accepted. This is like taking M1A vs injecting DHB. They are both potent drugs, but the methylated oral PH is a more dramatic (and much higher side) compound.

it might also be active on it's own? Maybe like how hdrol converts to tbol a little and is active also. I prefer hdrol over tbol, but then again I've never used 125mg tbol lol

It is, similar to the comparison I listed above.

 

[Smont]

You’re not crazy at all; this is pretty well-accepted. This is like taking M1A vs injecting DHB. They are both potent drugs, but the methylated oral PH is a more dramatic (and much higher side) compound.



It is, similar to the comparison I listed above.

I always laugh when guys run pro hormones and say there natty or dont need pct because they got it at a supplement shop or wherever. No1 realizes that all the late 90's early 2000's pro hormones were all super potent designer steroids

 

[Rockslide]

I thought x tren wasn’t methylated. Methyl-dienolone was a separate compound that was in the original 2005 ban with 1-diol, m1t, methyl dienolone, m4ohn, methyl 4-ad and some others

Methyl dienolone I ran once and was like the ultimate recomp compound . Put like 8 lbs on while dropping 2 inches and going from flabby to abs in like a month with almost zero sides

 

[Rockslide]

That being said I suspect the reason some of the pros may be stronger than the targets are because 1) they are active and 2) the pros may be more bio available than the target

I’m sure diendione isn’t as potent as injectable dienolone , but probably better absorbed than oral dienolone. Like how mentabolan (trest-Dione) is stronger than oral trest

 

[Dblock]

I have ran Dienolone in every form and it is pretty epic…definitely “tren light”, and you are correct about Mentabolan which has a legendary name….oral trest doesn’t get as much love

 

[Smont]

I thought x tren wasn’t methylated. Methyl-dienolone was a separate compound that was in the original 2005 ban with 1-diol, m1t, methyl dienolone, m4ohn, methyl 4-ad and some others

Methyl dienolone I ran once and was like the ultimate recomp compound . Put like 8 lbs on while dropping 2 inches and going from flabby to abs in like a month with almost zero sides

I thought/think all the tren-like designers and the tren Ph's are non methyl.

 

[Rockslide]

I thought/think all the tren-like designers and the tren Ph's are non methyl.

Correct . At least since 2005. Methyl dienolone was like 2003-2005. I can’t remember if someone released something spiked with methyl tren or just actual tren acetate as well (tren has some bioavailability)

 

[Stacks1]

I thought x tren wasn’t methylated. Methyl-dienolone was a separate compound that was in the original 2005 ban with 1-diol, m1t, methyl dienolone, m4ohn, methyl 4-ad and some others

Methyl dienolone I ran once and was like the ultimate recomp compound . Put like 8 lbs on while dropping 2 inches and going from flabby to abs in like a month with almost zero sides

I think he was referring to M1A being methylated vs DHB. You're right, I don't believe dienedione was methylated but it was, in my opinion, stronger than dienolone. Maybe it was active on its own like Smont said, maybe it was spiked, maybe I just respond differently to it... but in my experience dienedione > dienolone as far as gains and sides go. I don't have a scientific explanation for it.

There has to be other people on this forum who have a similar opinion to mine whether it's regarding dienedione or other PH/DS out there compared to their target hormone.

 

[Rockslide]

It’s probably more bioavailable so you get more of the target hormone . It’s like boldione (the one step precursor to EQ) well absorbed and converts into boldenone after absorption . Worked well. Trying to drink 200 mg of EQ a day though and I bet you would have zero gains

Same with testosterone . 4-ad diol worked to a degree but PO testosterone doesn’t unless you put a huge fat soluable ester and then still is underwhelming

Injectable Dien I expect would blow diendone out of the water but I never actually tried it when it was available