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Epi-Andro

InItForGainz

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I'm setting up my first run of Epi-Andro (Muscle Addiction's Epiandro Lean) and wanted to ask for thoughts on how this looks or experiences from others about similar epiandro runs.
I will be running all staples (Multi vitamin, Vitamin D3, Creatine, Omega-3, Protein etc) throughout the cycle and PCT.

Cycle plan as follows...
Weeks 1-12
Muscle Addiction Epiandro Lean
600mg-900mg per day
-1 cap am (Waking)
-1 cap pm (Dinner)
-1 cap (pre-workout)
CEL Cycle Assist
-2 caps am (Waking)
-2 caps pm (Dinner)

Weeks 11-19 (PCT)
CEL M-Test
-3 caps am (Waking)
-3 caps pm (Dinner)
CEL Cloma-Plex
-3 caps am (Waking)
-3 caps pm (Dinner)
CEL PCT Assist
-2 caps am (Waking)
-2 caps pm (Dinner)

With epiandro having anti estrogenic properties, is there any risk of rebound estrogen post cycle?

Blood tests will be done at 1 week pre-cycle, week 7 of/during cycle and 1 week post PCT.
 
If you have not taken epiandro before, I would start at 300mg for at least a week before moving onto 600mg and then a couple more of weeks (at least) before moving onto 900mg. Many people can’t handle the side effects from 900mg. Ramping up your dose as you progress through your cycle (no matter what your taking and what level your at) works best for assimilation and results. If you blow your load off the get go, you got no where to go in a couple of weeks. Moreover you may find that you cannot handle 900mg (or 600mg) but possibly could have if you would have ramped up. Taking as little as possible of anything and trying to maximize the results through diet,sleep,low stress is the way to go. Imo, don’t put the anabolics before any of these ever.
 
I have used the product a few times and have like 6 bottles of epiandrolean in reserve. your approach looks pretty solid. I have taken as little as 300mg and as high as 1200mg (which was a mix of oral + TD). My dosage was similar to yours when I ramped up although I think I was taking 600mg oral at wake up and the other 300 preWO. I don't recall splitting 3 caps around the entire day but maybe.

I doubt you'll notice side effects. Only thing I noticed when running higher doseage was when I came off it I did feel like I faced massive mood decline. I am a huge fan of XPG Alpha Gel in this PCT for mood, sleep, libido. When I came off the higher dose I actually went ahead and still gave myself 300mg oral once about every 2-3 days for 2 weeks to taper off and have felt great ever since.

I haven't really seen anyone else in favor of tapering off but it felt like it was a good move for me. It's a solid product, well designed, and not harsh at all.
 
I will just caution taking epiandrosterone too late at night, as it can cause sleep issues - I'm not sure how close your dinner and pre workout doses are to bed time
 
InItForGainz said:
I'm setting up my first run of Epi-Andro (Muscle Addiction's Epiandro Lean) and wanted to ask for thoughts on how this looks or experiences from others about similar epiandro runs.
I will be running all staples (Multi vitamin, Vitamin D3, Creatine, Omega-3, Protein etc) throughout the cycle and PCT.

Cycle plan as follows...
Weeks 1-12
Muscle Addiction Epiandro Lean
600mg-900mg per day
-1 cap am (Waking)
-1 cap pm (Dinner)
-1 cap (pre-workout)
CEL Cycle Assist
-2 caps am (Waking)
-2 caps pm (Dinner)

Weeks 11-19 (PCT)
CEL M-Test
-3 caps am (Waking)
-3 caps pm (Dinner)
CEL Cloma-Plex
-3 caps am (Waking)
-3 caps pm (Dinner)
CEL PCT Assist
-2 caps am (Waking)
-2 caps pm (Dinner)

With epiandro having anti estrogenic properties, is there any risk of rebound estrogen post cycle?

Blood tests will be done at 1 week pre-cycle, week 7 of/during cycle and 1 week post PCT.
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I think that your plan looks good overall.

I would personally do M-Test during the cycle as well as in PCT.

I would start off a couple days at 300 mg. and then increase to 600 mg. Some people would go up to 900 mg. for the full cycle, some people would stay at 600 mg., and some people would do 2 weeks at 600, 8 weeks at 900, and back to 2 weeks at 600.

I don't think you'd need to worry about any estrogen rebound issues. If you're worried about that, you could use Inhibit-E to help make sure it doesn't.
 
botk1161 said:
If you have not taken epiandro before, I would start at 300mg for at least a week before moving onto 600mg and then a couple more of weeks (at least) before moving onto 900mg. Many people can’t handle the side effects from 900mg. Ramping up your dose as you progress through your cycle (no matter what your taking and what level your at) works best for assimilation and results. If you blow your load off the get go, you got no where to go in a couple of weeks. Moreover you may find that you cannot handle 900mg (or 600mg) but possibly could have if you would have ramped up. Taking as little as possible of anything and trying to maximize the results through diet,sleep,low stress is the way to go. Imo, don’t put the anabolics before any of these ever.
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It will be my first epiandro run, which is why I'm running it solo. I didn't want to write too much on my first post, incase people were put off by having to read through it all, but I am planning on doing 1 cap per day for at least the first week and then tapering up to 600mg from there depending on how I feel. The results of the blood test at week 7 will decide if I go up to 900mg for the final 4 weeks.
 
delsolrob said:
I will just caution taking epiandrosterone too late at night, as it can cause sleep issues - I'm not sure how close your dinner and pre workout doses are to bed time
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Dinner is 3 hours before workout and preworkout is 3 hours before bed.

Dustin07 said:
I doubt you'll notice side effects. Only thing I noticed when running higher doseage was when I came off it I did feel like I faced massive mood decline. I am a huge fan of XPG Alpha Gel in this PCT for mood, sleep, libido. When I came off the higher dose I actually went ahead and still gave myself 300mg oral once about every 2-3 days for 2 weeks to taper off and have felt great ever since.

I haven't really seen anyone else in favor of tapering off but it felt like it was a good move for me. It's a solid product, well designed, and not harsh at all.
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Your tapering down and off approach looks and sounds like a good idea. Especially as I could do that whilst taking the PCT stack
 
sns8778 said:
I think that your plan looks good overall.

I would personally do M-Test during the cycle as well as in PCT.

I would start off a couple days at 300 mg. and then increase to 600 mg. Some people would go up to 900 mg. for the full cycle, some people would stay at 600 mg., and some people would do 2 weeks at 600, 8 weeks at 900, and back to 2 weeks at 600.

I don't think you'd need to worry about any estrogen rebound issues. If you're worried about that, you could use Inhibit-E to help make sure it doesn't.
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What would be the use of M-Test during a cycle, if I'll only be suppressing my natural testosterone at the same?

Would Cloma-Plex and Inhbit-E not crash my estrogen too low?
 
InItForGainz said:
but I am planning on doing 1 cap per day for at least the first week and then tapering up to 600mg from there depending on how I feel
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that's exactly how I first dipped my toes in the water... right or wrong IDK but I did exactly that. Next thing I knew I was running 2x recommended dose 😅

InItForGainz said:
Your tapering down and off approach looks and sounds like a good idea. Especially as I could do that whilst taking the PCT stack
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It worked for me, I thought it was solid. That said, Hyde did recommend I do not taper down from the Gear Cream I'm using right now, and instead flow straight into my PCT in my log thread, so come mid/end sept I'll be doing that. different product though. I just want to be transparent that what I did with epi, and what felt like it was a success to me, is not what was recommended to me on the different product I'm currently using.
 
InItForGainz said:
Dinner is 3 hours before workout and preworkout is 3 hours before bed.

Your tapering down and off approach looks and sounds like a good idea. Especially as I could do that whilst taking the PCT stack
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I don't think you'd have any issue taking it that far before bed.

I think what Rob meant is that its not something you'd want to take like right before bed for some people. Me on the other hand, I could take it and go to sleep no problem.
 
InItForGainz said:
What would be the use of M-Test during a cycle, if I'll only be suppressing my natural testosterone at the same?

Would Cloma-Plex and Inhbit-E not crash my estrogen too low?
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Epiandro at 600 mg. isn't going to shut most people down. It works off of DHT.

So the purpose of M-Test would be to help keep your natural testosterone levels as high as possible.

No, Cloma-Plex and Inhibit-E won't crash estrogen - they work differently. But I wasn't saying to stack them, what I meant was if you were worried about a rebound, after ending Cloma-Plex and your PCT you could use Inhibit-E after that bc it helps your body metabolize estrogen more efficiently and promotes proper testosterone to estrogen ratio.
 
botk1161 said:
If you have not taken epiandro before, I would start at 300mg for at least a week before moving onto 600mg and then a couple more of weeks (at least) before moving onto 900mg. Many people can’t handle the side effects from 900mg. Ramping up your dose as you progress through your cycle (no matter what your taking and what level your at) works best for assimilation and results. If you blow your load off the get go, you got no where to go in a couple of weeks. Moreover you may find that you cannot handle 900mg (or 600mg) but possibly could have if you would have ramped up. Taking as little as possible of anything and trying to maximize the results through diet,sleep,low stress is the way to go. Imo, don’t put the anabolics before any of these ever.
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side effects from epiandro? do tell?
 
johnny412 said:
side effects from epiandro? do tell?
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anxiety, panicky, dry joints, depression, weakness, sick feeling, other? I have gotten "some of this" around 1200mg TD/Oral a few times over the years. And when removed, symptoms cleared up within a couple of days all things the same. Too much for me to handle it seems and I would not have mentioned this if I had not heard this numerous times on this and other forums. Being affected by it may have led me to more engaged in related threads.
 
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botk1161 said:
anxiety, panicky, dry joints, depression, weakness, sick feeling, other? I have gotten "some of this" around 1200mg TD/Oral a few times over the years. And when removed, symptoms cleared up within a couple of days all things the same. Too much for me to handle it seems and I would not have mentioned this if I had not heard this numerous times on this and other forums.
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honestly I wasn't gonna say anything because I've seen a tiny bit of each of those but not enough to really feel like it was isolated to me or that it was for sure the epiandro. twice I have seen a little bump up in BP on big epiandro runs as well but it was also during high stress periods of life so its hard to isolate it again. except the sick feeling, and for me any hint of depression actually came after getting off but the tapering seemed to fix it fast.
 
Dustin07 said:
honestly I wasn't gonna say anything because I've seen a tiny bit of each of those but not enough to really feel like it was isolated to me or that it was for sure the epiandro. twice I have seen a little bump up in BP on big epiandro runs as well but it was also during high stress periods of life so its hard to isolate it again. except the sick feeling, and for me any hint of depression actually came after getting off but the tapering seemed to fix it fast.
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I am also to old to be taking it anyways lol. I am good with my TRT, but I like to add 300mg oral pre-workout 2-3 times a week for a couple months here and there. Great little boost!
 
Dustin07 said:
that's exactly how I first dipped my toes in the water... right or wrong IDK but I did exactly that. Next thing I knew I was running 2x recommended dose 😅



It worked for me, I thought it was solid. That said, Hyde did recommend I do not taper down from the Gear Cream I'm using right now, and instead flow straight into my PCT in my log thread, so come mid/end sept I'll be doing that. different product though. I just want to be transparent that what I did with epi, and what felt like it was a success to me, is not what was recommended to me on the different product I'm currently using.
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Tapering down/off does logically sound like a good idea, it'll hopefully mitigate a post cycle crash and minimize/prevent the decline in mood and energy.

sns8778 said:
Epiandro at 600 mg. isn't going to shut most people down. It works off of DHT.

So the purpose of M-Test would be to help keep your natural testosterone levels as high as possible.

No, Cloma-Plex and Inhibit-E won't crash estrogen - they work differently. But I wasn't saying to stack them, what I meant was if you were worried about a rebound, after ending Cloma-Plex and your PCT you could use Inhibit-E after that bc it helps your body metabolize estrogen more efficiently and promotes proper testosterone to estrogen ratio.
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I will add M-Test to the cycle itself. Then use Inhibit-E post PCT.
 
Long time fan of epiandro. I like to mix the transderemal by iconic in the morning and the pill before workout in the evening. I'm currently on it right now with ursa added and it's awesome stack for cut/recomp. In the past runs I have only gone 8 weeks. Do yall feel 12 weeks is too long?
 
BigSWOLE25 said:
Long time fan of epiandro. I like to mix the transderemal by iconic in the morning and the pill before workout in the evening. I'm currently on it right now with ursa added and it's awesome stack for cut/recomp. In the past runs I have only gone 8 weeks. Do yall feel 12 weeks is too long?
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yeah, I miss having Alpha Stano around - epiandro complexed with cyclodextrins to cause rapid uptake - I loved taking that pre workout! I actually have a couple bottles around and may need to crack on open...just sad to know there won't be more. Lockout still has a couple bottles in stock...been debating taking them off their hands. Stuff pairs so well with TD epiandro
 
BigSWOLE25 said:
Long time fan of epiandro. I like to mix the transderemal by iconic in the morning and the pill before workout in the evening. I'm currently on it right now with ursa added and it's awesome stack for cut/recomp. In the past runs I have only gone 8 weeks. Do yall feel 12 weeks is too long?
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that's exactly what I did this past winter, a big dose of iconic ultra epi td + an oral 300 or 600mg daily. I have run to 12 weeks but the last couple runs stopped at 8-10.
 
johnny412 said:
side effects from epiandro? do tell?
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I think that most important thing to keep in mind with Epiandro is that the sides, or lack of sides, depend on the dosage.

600 mg. per day - is the dosage that most people feel great at and see no sides at.

900 mg. per day - better results in the gym but some lose the 'feel good' aspects of it, but rarely experience side effects.

1200 mg. per day+ - is the dosage that most people start to experience side effects at. Better results in the gym, but side effects to go along with them.
 
botk1161 said:
If you have not taken epiandro before, I would start at 300mg for at least a week before moving onto 600mg and then a couple more of weeks (at least) before moving onto 900mg. Many people can’t handle the side effects from 900mg. Ramping up your dose as you progress through your cycle (no matter what your taking and what level your at) works best for assimilation and results. If you blow your load off the get go, you got no where to go in a couple of weeks. Moreover you may find that you cannot handle 900mg (or 600mg) but possibly could have if you would have ramped up. Taking as little as possible of anything and trying to maximize the results through diet,sleep,low stress is the way to go. Imo, don’t put the anabolics before any of these ever.
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Great advice
 
Dustin07 said:
that's exactly what I did this past winter, a big dose of iconic ultra epi td + an oral 300 or 600mg daily. I have run to 12 weeks but the last couple runs stopped at 8-10.
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Is there any reason you've cut your cycles down to 8-10 weeks instead of 12?
 
InItForGainz said:
Is there any reason you've cut your cycles down to 8-10 weeks instead of 12?
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even though the sides are mild, I tend to notice them at the halfway point, increasing there on until I cycle off. hair shedding, anxiety, aggression, etc. 8 weeks-ish seems to be a comfortably happy medium for me.
 
Dustin07 said:
even though the sides are mild, I tend to notice them at the halfway point, increasing there on until I cycle off. hair shedding, anxiety, aggression, etc. 8 weeks-ish seems to be a comfortably happy medium for me.
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Is that on the 600mg per day dose or 900mg+?

How long does it take for the physical/physique benefits to kick in?
 
InItForGainz said:
Is that on the 600mg per day dose or 900mg+?

How long does it take for the physical/physique benefits to kick in?
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I typically notice bouts of euphoria at dosing the first couple days, then don't notice it again for the duration.
I feel like I see improved gym aggression/motivation within a week, and unfortunately the majority of the physical changes and improvements I notice at 4+ weeks depending on dose which is why I have tended to go longer, or higher on my dosing lol.
 
InItForGainz said:
Is there any benefit (better absorption for example) to dosing epiandro with a meal or whilst fasted?
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I don't think it really matters. I've done it both ways and never noticed any difference.
 
sns8778 said:
I don't think it really matters. I've done it both ways and never noticed any difference.
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Dustin07 said:
probably an @sns8778 question. I typically ran my first 2 caps when I brushed my teeth (fasted) and a 3rd cap preWO though.
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Week 1 am (Waking/Fasted)
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
Week 1 pm (Dinner/With Food)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements

Weeks 2-12 am (Waking/Fasted)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
Weeks 2-12 pm (Dinner/With Food)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements

Then as outlined in my first post for everything PCT for weeks 11-19.
 
InItForGainz said:
Week 1 am (Waking/Fasted)
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
Week 1 pm (Dinner/With Food)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements

Weeks 2-12 am (Waking/Fasted)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
Weeks 2-12 pm (Dinner/With Food)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements

Then as outlined in my first post for everything PCT for weeks 11-19.
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That looks like a good layout to me.
 
bulldogger.spa said:
Isn't M-Test supposed to be taken with food?
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It can be taken with or without meals.

The suggested use on the bottle says to take with meals, but that's really just bc sometimes herbal products may bother someone's stomach if taken on an empty stomach. It's rare with M-Test, but we label a lot of products with herbal ingredients in them that way just as a precaution.

But if it doesn't bother your stomach to take it on an empty stomach, you can. I take my morning dose on an empty stomach a lot of times.
 
sns8778 said:
It can be taken with or without meals.

The suggested use on the bottle says to take with meals, but that's really just bc sometimes herbal products may bother someone's stomach if taken on an empty stomach. It's rare with M-Test, but we label a lot of products with herbal ingredients in them that way just as a precaution.

But if it doesn't bother your stomach to take it on an empty stomach, you can. I take my morning dose on an empty stomach a lot of times.
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same, I also like to take oral epiandro on an empty stomach before training.
 
sns8778 said:
It can be taken with or without meals.

The suggested use on the bottle says to take with meals, but that's really just bc sometimes herbal products may bother someone's stomach if taken on an empty stomach. It's rare with M-Test, but we label a lot of products with herbal ingredients in them that way just as a precaution.

But if it doesn't bother your stomach to take it on an empty stomach, you can. I take my morning dose on an empty stomach a lot of times.
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Never had that issue with M-Test, AE, AXT or anything really... Except Forskolin 😅
 
InItForGainz said:
Never had that issue with M-Test, AE, AXT or anything really... Except Forskolin 😅
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Forskolin can definitely bother some people's stomachs.

Forslean bothers people's stomachs less than the generic; and Forslean 95% bothers people's stomachs less than the lower %'s.

The patents on Forslean aren't just for Forskolin itself, but there are some process patents related to the way it is made and processed, which helps a lot.

Even with Forslean, it may still bother some people's stomachs but most people can get by that by taking it with food.

There are some people though that its not actually the Forslean that bothers their stomach, its their cAMP levels going up that they are sensitive to and their stomachs may be bothered until they get used to their levels being increased.
 
sns8778 said:
Forskolin can definitely bother some people's stomachs.

Forslean bothers people's stomachs less than the generic; and Forslean 95% bothers people's stomachs less than the lower %'s.

The patents on Forslean aren't just for Forskolin itself, but there are some process patents related to the way it is made and processed, which helps a lot.

Even with Forslean, it may still bother some people's stomachs but most people can get by that by taking it with food.

There are some people though that its not actually the Forslean that bothers their stomach, its their cAMP levels going up that they are sensitive to and their stomachs may be bothered until they get used to their levels being increased.
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Forskolin is a fantastic supplement, so the stomach upset is at least worth it, and if you take it consistently your body gets used to it somewhere around week 2/3.
 
InItForGainz said:
Forskolin is a fantastic supplement, so the stomach upset is at least worth it, and if you take it consistently your body gets used to it somewhere around week 2/3.
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I agree that its a great ingredient. I think it gets overlooked a lot.

I've never gotten any stomach upset with Forskolin XT and I've dosed that pretty high. We use Sabinsa's Forslean 95% in it.

I had tried generics in years past and that was a no go for me bc it was horrible on my stomach.

I've dosed Forskolin XT at up to 100 mg. per day myself; there are a couple of people on here that I know were running it at 150 mg. per day and enjoying it with no stomach issues from it.

It's not something I would take in place of Lean Edge, but its a great addition to it.
 
chainsaw said:
What do you get out of a forskolin supplement?
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-Over average fat loss.
-Less water retention.
-Slight/moderate increase in testosterone.
-Less muscle loss in a deficit than average.

2-4 caps (50mg-100mg) 30 minutes before fasted cardio and you'll see results in no time.

I recommend that you work your way up in terms of dose though
1)Because potential gastro/stomach issues.
2)Because on my third or fourth run with Forskolin I jumped straight in at 4 caps and either my blood pressure or blood sugar level dropped too low during my fasted cardio and my body went really weird (shakey, dizzy, nausious)
 
InItForGainz said:
Week 1 am (Waking/Fasted)
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
Week 1 pm (Dinner/With Food)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements

Weeks 2-12 am (Waking/Fasted)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
Weeks 2-12 pm (Dinner/With Food)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements

Then as outlined in my first post for everything PCT for weeks 11-19.
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I don't know if you've already started, but could you log or do a review for your cycle? I've been really interested in epi-andro for a while now, but haven't had the balls through fear of acne and hair loss. It's good to know that the PCT for this could be purely OTC, instead of having to source and trust Clomid from somewhere.
 
Slims said:
I don't know if you've already started, but could you log or do a review for your cycle? I've been really interested in epi-andro for a while now, but haven't had the balls through fear of acne and hair loss. It's good to know that the PCT for this could be purely OTC, instead of having to source and trust Clomid from somewhere.
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I have run a lot of epi now from very mild half dose preWO to much larger double doses daily. I have seen zero acne from it, and even though I have seen some hair shedding, its been mild. I do counter it with the products I've listed many times and I feel like it tends to thicken back up after a run during my breaks.
 
Dustin07 said:
I have run a lot of epi now from very mild half dose preWO to much larger double doses daily. I have seen zero acne from it, and even though I have seen some hair shedding, its been mild. I do counter it with the products I've listed many times and I feel like it tends to thicken back up after a run during my breaks.
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Probably a dumb question, but have you noticed any difference in shedding between TD and oral?
I like the look of Stano-Plex for oral or XPG for TD
 
Slims said:
Probably a dumb question, but have you noticed any difference in shedding between TD and oral?
I like the look of Stano-Plex for oral or XPG for TD
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I don't think I've personally noticed differences but I stack them so I can mix up application style
 
InItForGainz said:
Week 1 am (Waking/Fasted)
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
Week 1 pm (Dinner/With Food)
1 cap Epiandro
2 caps Cycle Assist
3 caps M-Test
+Staple Supplements
...
Then as outlined in my first post for everything PCT for weeks 11-19.
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Was M-Test your "test base" ? What did your PCT consist of ?
Sorry if you cover that in your other post and have to repeat yourself.
Considering a solo Epi run (as apposed to 1ad or 4ad as on top) and am not on trt or anything.
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
Was M-Test your "test base" ? What did your PCT consist of ?
Sorry if you cover that in your other post and have to repeat yourself.
Considering a solo Epi run (as apposed to 1ad or 4ad as on top) and am not on trt or anything.
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If I'm understanding correctly, from what @sns8778 said (quote attached below) running M-Test during the cyce would help to keep my natural testosterone production going and, in a way, sort of minimize/prevent the risk of suppression.

sns8778 said:
Epiandro at 600 mg. isn't going to shut most people down. It works off of DHT.

So the purpose of M-Test would be to help keep your natural testosterone levels as high as possible.

No, Cloma-Plex and Inhibit-E won't crash estrogen - they work differently. But I wasn't saying to stack them, what I meant was if you were worried about a rebound, after ending Cloma-Plex and your PCT you could use Inhibit-E after that bc it helps your body metabolize estrogen more efficiently and promotes proper testosterone to estrogen ratio.
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I haven't started yet, I wanted to get everything for the whole 19 weeks (cycle and PCT) in before I do.
 
InItForGainz said:
If I'm understanding correctly, from what @sns8778 said (quote attached below) running M-Test during the cyce would help to keep my natural testosterone production going and, in a way, sort of minimize/prevent the risk of suppression.



I haven't started yet, I wanted to get everything for the whole 19 weeks (cycle and PCT) in before I do.
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Gotcha. That makes sense re: the M-Test. How do you plan to PCT? Tamoxifen and enclo or something more natty / OTC / Supplements ?
 
AwakeningAlpha said:
Gotcha. That makes sense re: the M-Test. How do you plan to PCT? Tamoxifen and enclo or something more natty / OTC / Supplements ?
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Purely an OTC PCT. One of the attractive features of Epi-Andro is that it's mild enough to not have to use a SERM based PCT.
My PCT is outlined above as weeks 11-19.
 
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