Test CYP Needle gauge and syringe size
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Anthony SM
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Depends on where you're going to pin and how lean you are. If glutes or VG, 1 1/2 is what I'd use. If delts and you're fairly lean, 5/8 should work. I think 25 gauge is perfect. Hardly feel a thing.
Thewarmth
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I’m very lean. Low test has caused me to lose like 10lbs. No real hunger or motivation lately. I’m pretty young too and it’s a medical thing. I’m not able to get IM needles and syringes without a prescription my pharmacist tells me? I just got my vials who’s week
Thewarmth
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Buttocks is where I will more than likely pen at
sammpedd88
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I pinned IM for about 10 years with a 23 gauge 1 inch and rotated between delts, quads and glutes. Almost a year ago a switched to sub-q just to help E2 and to get off of arimidex. I had zero issues pinning IM with the 23 gauge 1 inch.
Thewarmth
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Is there a brand that is better than others? Or a brand to stay away from?
sammpedd88
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I always used BD brand for IM. I did buy a cheap brand online and the needle felt very dull.
Thewarmth
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This is for both drawing and pin? Sorry for the dumb questions. I swear I am not as stupid as I sound right now. Occasionally at least.
Anthony SM
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I like Nipro luer lock syringes.
Westend Medical Supply
sammpedd88
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I draw and pin with the same needle. Some guys like to use a larger gauge to draw but I’ve never done it.
Anthony SM
New member
Nipro luer lock syringe, draw with 23 gauge needle and pin with 25 gauge.
Hyde
Legend
EZ Touch 27g 1/2i inch 100cc/1ml insulin syringe I can hit IM everywhere but glutes. Delts, pecs, tris, lats, quads, ventroglutes all can be hit IM even at close to 20% bodyfat probably are no issue. You can order online.
Right now I take 0.1/10 units daily on a 30g insulin syringe from the pharmacy, bought over the counter 100 for $13 at Sam’s Club.
You can draw and pin with the same needle and it still pins smooth with slinpins.
The bigger needles are what you want to change out/have a separate draw needle. You should be able to hit ANYWHERE IM with a 25g 1” if you use a traditional 1cc or 3cc barrel luer-lock syringe.
But you don’t need thick or long needles to get it in the muscle, and you won’t have the same scar tissue accumulation from slinpins.
Right now I take 0.1/10 units daily on a 30g insulin syringe from the pharmacy, bought over the counter 100 for $13 at Sam’s Club.
You can draw and pin with the same needle and it still pins smooth with slinpins.
The bigger needles are what you want to change out/have a separate draw needle. You should be able to hit ANYWHERE IM with a 25g 1” if you use a traditional 1cc or 3cc barrel luer-lock syringe.
But you don’t need thick or long needles to get it in the muscle, and you won’t have the same scar tissue accumulation from slinpins.
Thewarmth
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Unfortunately in Missouri (my residency) there are very strict laws on needles and syringes. I need a prescription to buy in person or from a retailer. but can order on Amazon no problem. So I found some on Amazon 23g x 1”. Is it ok to post a link to see if this is what I need?
Hyde
Legend
No, PM me & I’ll look.
If you’re close to the IL border, you can buy insulin syringes otc at any pharmacy there. They will only be 29-31g like I mentioned though, you have to order the thicker 27g online.
23g is unnecessarily thick. Length is totally preference, but I have done many 2.5-3cc shots on blasts and never needed thicker than 25g for my injection needle. I draw with a 21g for those, as 18g will core out the stopper on your bottle eventually.
Thewarmth
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So I ended up with 18g draw and 27g x 1” pin from the pharmacy. I feel pretty good about it now and am now going to post in another forum for suggestions on other supplements for overall health while injecting. As there are 1000 forums where would be the appropriate place to post? Apologies for the noooby questions 
Roy Natty Gas
Member
I use 23 gauge 1” for draw and injection with water base. Oil based you still can just harder to draw.
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Wehrwulf
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For years I've used insulin syringes, 5/8" x 27g. No problem filling syringe, takes about a minute or two to get to the .5ml mark.
Wehrwulf
New member
There's no reason to use a needle that large, you'll end up with a lot of scar tissue. When I first started trt, my original doc was giving me 18g x 1.5" harpoons. I used them the first year until I started reading about using smaller gauge shorter needles.
sammpedd88
Well-known member
Agreed. Over time you’ll just develop more scar tissue. 1 inch is plenty long to pin with
Hyde
Legend
That’s a cute thought, until you hit your first patch of scar tissue, and you literally have to jam the needle to bust through after it gets stuck halfway going into you. It is painful and unsettling when it happens, but much worse is the realization that all of the surrounding area is now useless. Maybe that’s not a big deal if you’re just on TRT for the rest of your life, but for people pushing real doses you want all the real estate you can get to rotate through.
If you force the oil into the pocket of scar tissue it can get trapped, so you have to go beyond it or shallow of it or withdraw and move around it.
sammpedd88
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Been there and done that. It sucks. I’ve been on TRT for a decade now so I have to be careful.
Thewarmth
New member
How do you feel being on TRT for this long? When did you start? I have just begun TRT.
sammpedd88
Well-known member
I feel great on TRT. I’ve been on for going on 11 years. The key is to have a dr that is up to date on hormone replacement. It’s more than just the numbers it’s how you feel also. So guys feel better with a total T level of 600-700 vs 900-1000. Some feel better at the high end. It’s so individually based. Also you need to have your DHEA, pregnenonlone and vitamin D3 checked along with your total test, free test and E2. Need to keep an eye on your RBC as well.
Thewarmth
New member
I had labs done 3 weeks ago. I scheduled an appointment for last Wednesday after being prescribed test cyp to be shown the proper procedure to do everything. I started the same day. My doctor is a HRT specialist. Which means he has a PHD with an emphasis on HRT. Luck of the draw really bc he is my PCP also. As there is great information on this website and I love it here. Always consult a good doctor. I’m shooting for the 11-1300 range. No pun intended
Hyde
Legend
Yep, totally normal - experience will smooth you out.
Take a moment to close your eyes, picture something relaxing, then calmly draw a breath in, aim your needle, and exhale smoothly as you relax the entire body - then take your shot. Not unlike target shooting. Breathe gently during the administration once the needle is seated, and stay relaxed.
Quads are easier when seated, lats I set my wrist on a towel rack in the bathroom, glutes/VG make sure you have shifted all your weight onto the leg you aren’t injecting. Triceps I raise my elbow to the ceiling and put my hand on my head. Pecs and delts are just there, almost fool-proof.
I find it easier to do all my shots in front of a mirror, except quads - I just look down at them.
Don’t do traps or calves or abs.
lanky
Active member
if i had the choice i would to a 25g or slin needle looking back, there were times i have had to use 18g for months due to supply issues many years ago(long story)(actually short story) lol. used 21 and 23g without difficulty. i do have scar tissue on both delts and glutes. unmistakable sound and feel of a needle going through scar tissue. those 18g needles are harpoons.
using a large gauge to draw will core out the stopper like others have said before me. especially if you use a disposable red BD blunt needle to draw
using a large gauge to draw will core out the stopper like others have said before me. especially if you use a disposable red BD blunt needle to draw