Cut/Body Comp cycle without Sarms at age 48

Miles Johnson

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So at the age of 48, putting on mass is easy but the battle with the waste line, not so much. For the past 4-5 years, I have done one or two ostarine cycles a year with incredible results- like I lose three inches off my waist while adding significant muscle and strength in 2-3 months. I last did one 18 months ago and I had a bit of a psychological breakdown after ten weeks, so I said never again. That was amplified by the fact that I now have elevated liver enzymes.

So now I’m looking for an alternate to SARMS. My general diet is pretty diet with low to medium card, 200 grams of protein per day. Yeah, I need a bit of a shortcut because I work 70-80 hours a week and I can’t do something crazy like zero carbs that will make me unable to function. Anyone think of what would be a good alternative to the Ostarine, with the following guidelines:

1. No SARMS.

2. No interest in doing anything that is outright illegal, gray area is fine.

3. Somewhat prone to shedding and wanting to avoid anything DHT based.

4. Not overly worried about shutdown as I have access to PCT.

5. Already take 600 mg caffeine per day. Look to avoid something additional that is too stimulant-ish (clenbuterol?) that will interfere with how I feel and how I interact with clients or have other mental effects.

6. As humbly as I can put it, cost isn’t (too much) of a concern.

7. I’ve recently gotten some GH boosters- specifically, CJC (No DAC) and Hexarelin. I know, I know they aren’t going to be earth shattering on their own.

8. I tru to do HIT training 3x a week along with four hard lifts a week. Sometimes I double up so I can also have rest days.s

9. I know this is a lot of stipulations.

A sincere thank you in advance for any insight you can provide!
 
EpiStrong said:
Get bloods. Try test, possibly trt at the age.
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Appreciate the feedback. I got bloodwork done at a TRT clinic about five years ago. My test levels were high-normal and I was thus not a candidate for TRT at that time. I don’t know how much would have changed.

Can you tell me if TRT is tremendously beneficial if I have fairly high levels of Test already, and if so,why?
 
Miles Johnson said:
Appreciate the feedback. I got bloodwork done at a TRT clinic about five years ago. My test levels were high-normal and I was thus not a candidate for TRT at that time. I don’t know how much would have changed.

Can you tell me if TRT is tremendously beneficial if I have fairly high levels of Test already, and if so,why?
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If you have a naturally high level of test, then you add exogenous test then it’s not TRT it’s a cycle.
 
Miles Johnson said:
Exactly. Any Non-TRT suggestions?
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There’s several natty anabolics that different guys have logged on here. The ones below are the ones I’ve taken. I’m currently taking Prime XT and getting ready to add in Anabolic XT. There’s a sale going on as well too and @sns8778 has posted the details. If I were you and grab Prime XT and either Anabolic XT and or Anabolic Effect. You won’t be disappointed!

SNS Anabolic XT
CEL Anabolic Effect
SNS Prime XT
SNS Optimize XT
 
That much work likely leads to stress then add in 7 training sessions a week and I'd guess your body is taking a beating. Assuming there's no changing any of that I'd try a stack that might help with overall stress and recovery. Here's a few things I've liked that are natty:
-Reduce XT
-MTest
-Inhibit E (this helped me a ton with cutting since I was high end of normal E)
-Recomp 20
-Lean Edge (or other non stim fat burner)
-Haven't tried Growth Factor XT but could be good in your situation

More gray area that I've used:
-MK677 but in a cut you have to be disciplined
-Cardarine for the cardio/work capacity but not a "fat burner" in my experience
-I've heard injectable carnitine is really good with the next best thing being topical from XPG

Also if your stress/workload has changed a lot since last bloods your test certainly could have dropped a lot.
 
sammpedd88 said:
There’s several natty anabolics that different guys have logged on here. The ones below are the ones I’ve taken. I’m currently taking Prime XT and getting ready to add in Anabolic XT. There’s a sale going on as well too and @sns8778 has posted the details. If I were you and grab Prime XT and either Anabolic XT and or Anabolic Effect. You won’t be disappointed!

SNS Anabolic XT
CEL Anabolic Effect
SNS Prime XT
SNS Optimize XT
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Prime XT with Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect will make for a great stack. I plan on doing that myself with Pepti-Plex and Phosphatidic Acid XT as soon as my training is back more consistent. I look forward to seeing how you like it.

Recomp20 is another good addition, especially for anyone looking to build muscle and lose fat.

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You work a ton, use a lot of caffeine, and had a psychological breakdown (I've been there, no judgement). If your stress and sleep aren't under control, cutting will be much much harder than it needs to be.

I'd recommend Iron Legion XI-KT as the go-to, I swear by the stuff. Hormonal, not DHT based, no real shutdown, no sides for me. Any SNS products mentioned above are good too. But make sure you get something (XI-KT, Invictus, Reduce XT, Neuro AET) that addresses cortisol.
 
kira1357 said:
You work a ton, use a lot of caffeine, and had a psychological breakdown (I've been there, no judgement). If your stress and sleep aren't under control, cutting will be much much harder than it needs to be.

I'd recommend Iron Legion XI-KT as the go-to, I swear by the stuff. Hormonal, not DHT based, no real shutdown, no sides for me. Any SNS products mentioned above are good too. But make sure you get something (XI-KT, Invictus, Reduce XT, Neuro AET) that addresses cortisol.
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I had thought about mentioning cortisol control myself.

Good options for that are:
Different people may respond differently to each and one person may like one better than the other. Feedback wise, we hear the most positive mood feedback on Reduce XT.

Stress & Anxiety Support is great for stress, anxiety, and mood and it does have some cortisol lowering properties too. A lot of people, myself included, love the feel of that with Reduce XT. https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/stress-anxiety-support/

My mood definitely suffers when I'm cutting.
 
This is the anabolics section, try the supplement section instead if you’re not interested in anabolic steroids.
 
Miles Johnson said:
So at the age of 48, putting on mass is easy but the battle with the waste line, not so much. For the past 4-5 years, I have done one or two ostarine cycles a year with incredible results- like I lose three inches off my waist while adding significant muscle and strength in 2-3 months. I last did one 18 months ago and I had a bit of a psychological breakdown after ten weeks, so I said never again. That was amplified by the fact that I now have elevated liver enzymes.

So now I’m looking for an alternate to SARMS. My general diet is pretty diet with low to medium card, 200 grams of protein per day. Yeah, I need a bit of a shortcut because I work 70-80 hours a week and I can’t do something crazy like zero carbs that will make me unable to function. Anyone think of what would be a good alternative to the Ostarine, with the following guidelines:

1. No SARMS.

2. No interest in doing anything that is outright illegal, gray area is fine.

3. Somewhat prone to shedding and wanting to avoid anything DHT based.

4. Not overly worried about shutdown as I have access to PCT.

5. Already take 600 mg caffeine per day. Look to avoid something additional that is too stimulant-ish (clenbuterol?) that will interfere with how I feel and how I interact with clients or have other mental effects.

6. As humbly as I can put it, cost isn’t (too much) of a concern.

7. I’ve recently gotten some GH boosters- specifically, CJC (No DAC) and Hexarelin. I know, I know they aren’t going to be earth shattering on their own.

8. I tru to do HIT training 3x a week along with four hard lifts a week. Sometimes I double up so I can also have rest days.s

9. I know this is a lot of stipulations.

A sincere thank you in advance for any insight you can provide!
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I'm the same age as you (48), and have come to similar conclusions regarding Ostarine and SARMS. They're effective, but feel very artificial and I stopped using them a while ago. I may dip my toe in the water again at some point, but generally I'd never run a SARM longer than 4-6 weeks. I don't care what they claim about shutdown with those research compounds, anything that acts as an external anabolic in your body is going to mess with you after 10+ weeks. You're better off doing 6 weeks, taking 12 weeks off, then another 6 week run etc.

For me, the 2-stage PH's like Iconic Alpha-Four and Icon-One have been FAR more enjoyable than any SARM I've ever done. Maybe not as intense but the gains come slow and steady, and stick around after you're done with the cycle. I've run Icon One and Alpha Seven for 8 weeks and come off with a standard 4-week Clomid PCT and felt great. I've run Alpha-Four and Ultra Eleven for 6 weeks with no PCT at all and felt great. Body compositions improved, strength up, mood up - everything you'd hope to get out of a cycle - albeit much more mild compared to 'real' gear. They're also much more mild in terms of potential sides.

If you're looking for something legal, that's the first place I'd turn. I have also found Turkesterone to be pretty effective.

Also:

- If you drink alcohol, try real hard not to drink to the point of having a hangover. This is one of the worst things I've noticed as I've gotten older. I can feel like I'm in my 20's in terms of athleticism and one night of hard drinking will make me feel like **** for way longer than I care to deal with.

- The less you have to rely on caffeine the better you're going to feel. I weaned myself off a massive caffeine habit a few years ago and it was one of the best things I ever did. Now a cup of coffee in the morning and maybe some green tea before a workout is all I need. I feel, look, and sleep a lot better.

- 3x HIIT sessions and 4x Hard lift sessions + working 70 hours a week is a week is a lot. I follow a similar routine - with work as well although I have a sit down job. Get a deload week in there every 4 weeks or so where you train HIIT 1x and lighten up on the weights. Take a day to spend time with your friends/family and completely **** off once in a while.

- DO NOT go on TRT if you don't absolutely need to. Everyone seems to jump on hormone replacement these days before getting to the root of their issues. Personally, I think it's a real bad move. Get consistent with yearly bloodwork. If you can, get bloods before/after any kind of cycle. I was bad about getting yearly checkups until recently. Started thinking I'd need TRT 'at my age' and my test came back over 700. I know everyone is different, but eating right, lifting right, and living right go a LONG way toward keeping your body in optimal condition as you go through life.

That's all I got. Hope that helps brutha.

-BV
 
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Miles Johnson said:
Appreciate the feedback. I got bloodwork done at a TRT clinic about five years ago. My test levels were high-normal and I was thus not a candidate for TRT at that time. I don’t know how much would have changed.

Can you tell me if TRT is tremendously beneficial if I have fairly high levels of Test already, and if so,why?
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Exactly the reason you get bloods. Good on you, most don't and just assume their test is low. If you're within range to your liking, there is definately no need to supplement with trt
 
I know you said nothing illegal, and cost isn’t likely an obstacle.

If those are both truly true, contact a hormone optimization clinic that will write you a script for GH. 1.5-2iu each morning before cardio will definitely aid fat loss. You’re also going to pay through the nose for it.

People spend $10-20/vial on the black market, but that would of course be illegal…

Big doses of L-Carnitine can also help, and that’s cheap, but you will be doing basically daily injections as often as you can tolerate. No real other downside, but it’s mild.
 
delsolrob said:
I'm surprised no one has brought up 11-kt...

If you want to recomp with something off the shelf - Ultra Eleven by Iconic Formulations - run that for 8 weeks and I think you'll be impressed with your recomp results.

You could also try Iron Legion XI-KT - some people really prefer the Iron Legion carrier - I would get 3-4 bottles to run for 8 weeks.

https://iconicformulations.com/collections/black-series/products/ultra-eleven-limited-edition
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^This is probably the most applicable legal hormonal solution I can think of.
 
Just wanted to say thank you to all who took the time to send replies, it is much appreciated. I will process all of this and proceed accordingly
 
delsolrob said:
I'm surprised no one has brought up 11-kt...

If you want to recomp with something off the shelf - Ultra Eleven by Iconic Formulations - run that for 8 weeks and I think you'll be impressed with your recomp results.

You could also try Iron Legion XI-KT - some people really prefer the Iron Legion carrier - I would get 3-4 bottles to run for 8 weeks.

https://iconicformulations.com/collections/black-series/products/ultra-eleven-limited-edition
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11KT stacked with 4-DHEA and Androsterone (IF Alpha Four) is a pretty great combo!
 
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