Test / Tren / Masteron

Dominus

Dominus

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What’s up guys, been a little bit since I’ve posted in here so I thought I’d update on current cycle.

currently running 700 Test E / 500 mast prop / 300 Tren Ace - just entered week 4. Like clock work, the Tren anxiety and insomnia has kicked in at week 4 on the dot. Otherwise feeling fantastic on this stack, very hard and dry. Strength is maintaining well despite being in a caloric deficit, weight is ticking down by about a pound a week. Thinking about pulling the Tren at week 6 to stay out of the weeds and rolling Masteron and Test for another 6 weeks after. After this one I’ll take a break until fall, then will begin a caloric surplus while running Trest / Test / Mast.
 
That looks like a fun cycle there…that would put my libido through the roof, no ladies would be safe. Although I don’t run Tren anymore, just too much insomnia and uncontrollable blood pressure spikes, but that does look fun. I bet you’re getting shredded with that one as well.
 
gphagan1 said:
That looks like a fun cycle there…that would put my libido through the roof, no ladies would be safe. Although I don’t run Tren anymore, just too much insomnia and uncontrollable blood pressure spikes, but that does look fun. I bet you’re getting shredded with that one as well.
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The Mrs. Has been very sore lately, indeed libido is out of control haha. I’ve got BP pretty well controlled with an ace inhibitor in the morning and beta blocker before bed. Definitely starting to get the dick skin look again, it’s been awhile since I’ve been this lean.
 
Dominus said:
Tren anxiety and insomnia has kicked in at week 4 on the dot
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I get this without Tren so can't imagine what i'd be like on Tren :ROFLMAO:
 
You ever think about bringing the Tren lower and seeing if things are more manageable at 200?

Or leaning into it and pushing up to 4-500, for that matter? After a point, you will probably be an anxious insomniac no matter what…
 
Hyde said:
You ever think about bringing the Tren lower and seeing if things are more manageable at 200?

Or leaning into it and pushing up to 4-500, for that matter? After a point, you will probably be an anxious insomniac no matter what…
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I went up to 420mg a week on my last tren run. The anxiety was crippling for me. I finished 8 weeks of it and said I’d never touch the stuff again… but here I am haha.
 
Dominus said:
I went up to 420mg a week on my last tren run. The anxiety was crippling for me. I finished 8 weeks of it and said I’d never touch the stuff again… but here I am haha.
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So why not 150-200? Diet along with just enough gear will still get some results, and then you could actually enjoy them more.

Lots of people report strong effects from 25/day still. The science strongly supports even 10mg/day of Ace on a cut for the glucocorticoid inhibition, accelerated T4 conversion, greater gh conversion to IGF1, etc in addition to the extra protein synthesis.
 
Hyde said:
So why not 150-200? Diet along with just enough gear will still get some results, and then you could actually enjoy them more.

Lots of people report strong effects from 25/day still. The science strongly supports even 10mg/day of Ace on a cut for the glucocorticoid inhibition, accelerated T4 conversion, greater gh conversion to IGF1, etc in addition to the extra protein synthesis.
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The cosmetic effects of tren at 300 compared to 200 are night and day for me. I understand not the case for all people, but for me, 300mg a week is the lowest dose I feel is worth destroying my lipids over. 19-nors mess me up mentally. Nandrolone makes me depressed, Tren makes me want to hurt people… probably some underlying mental issues to begin with lol.
 
Dominus said:
The cosmetic effects of tren at 300 compared to 200 are night and day for me. I understand not the case for all people, but for me, 300mg a week is the lowest dose I feel is worth destroying my lipids over. 19-nors mess me up mentally. Nandrolone makes me depressed, Tren makes me want to hurt people… probably some underlying mental issues to begin with lol.
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It will make you crazy, but you’re not crazy lol. It continually stimulates the amygdala - turns on that crocodile predator brain

So you have seen pretty much same impact on lipids with lower doses too?
 
Hyde said:
It will make you crazy, but you’re not crazy lol. It continually stimulates the amygdala - turns on that crocodile predator brain

So you have seen pretty much same impact on lipids with lower doses too?
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Anything ‘amygdala friendly’ ? Recently learned of how it works with thalamus, hypothalamus and prefrontal cortex…
And/or any good self talk mantas for meat heads…?
 
Rad83 said:
Anything ‘amygdala friendly’ ? Recently learned of how it works with thalamus, hypothalamus and prefrontal cortex…
And/or any good self talk mantas for meat heads…?
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You mean steroid that is safe for the amygdala? Not Tren. That in particular really stimulates it continuously. Which is part of how it ramps up the sympathetic nervous system, making you instantly stronger and why appetite takes a hit - you never stop being in some level of fight or flight.

This is why continual use eventually leads to some level of mental disorders (besides the brain plaque that doesn’t get a chance to be broken down like it normally would at night).

Not trying to rain on the parade here! Lol, just saying this is why people keep runs shorter and don’t use it as chronically as other compounds.
 
^ Excellent breakdown! (Haven’t ever nor plan to venture down that road)

I think we’re gonna see some crazy shitt in a handful of years, regarding mental problems etc…Because I don’t think there’s ever been this much rampant and cavalier usage of tren, by uniformed kids that want to be insta-famous…
 
Hyde said:
It will make you crazy, but you’re not crazy lol. It continually stimulates the amygdala - turns on that crocodile predator brain

So you have seen pretty much same impact on lipids with lower doses too?
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Yes, lipids get wrecked even on light doses of tren for me. Same with any orals, even 20mg of Anavar. It’s very temporary though… I cut my cholesterol in half in just 8 weeks post cycle on the last run, heavy aerobic exercise and super clean diet, supplement citrus bergamot, red yeast rice etc.
 
Rad83 said:
^ Excellent breakdown! (Haven’t ever nor plan to venture down that road)

I think we’re gonna see some crazy shitt in a handful of years, regarding mental problems etc…Because I don’t think there’s ever been this much rampant and cavalier usage of tren, by uniformed kids that want to be insta-famous…
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I think you’re spot on with this. There’s kids in their early 20s running almost a gram of tren a week in my gym. Anything over 400 and I am walking laps around my neighborhood at 3am trying to talk myself off a ledge. It’s really nothing to play with unless you’re somewhat experienced in embracing the side effects
 
kg31 said:
My cholesterol is 330 and my ldl is 268 on a anavar should I stop??
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Unless you want LDL to keep increasing (because you should expect it to at this point), then yes you should probably consider stopping.

That kind of LDL level is only generally considered acceptable in a ketogenic environment with a very low level of insulin exposure and great triglycerides, with an HDL > half the trig value.
 
Hyde said:
Unless you want LDL to keep increasing (because you should expect it to at this point), then yes you should probably consider stopping.

That kind of LDL level is only generally considered acceptable in a ketogenic environment with a very low level of insulin exposure and great triglycerides, with an HDL > half the trig value.
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My triglycerides were at 100 so they were fairly really good because 150 and above is normal .

My hdl is 34 and normal is 40
 
kg31 said:
My triglycerides were at 100 so they were fairly really good because 150 and above is normal .

My hdl is 34 and normal is 40
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100 is not really good; its in range, but ideally HDL would be 50+ for trigs that high. But that’s not going to happen for a man on gear, which means you would want to improve your metabolic health (cardio, weightloss) AND discontinue Var for now. It’s hard to get over 40 HDL for someone who stays on TRT and especially other steroids, so the next best plan of action is to control LDL and try to otherwise keep conditioning up and avoid getting fat.

Depending on your risk aversion, 5-10mg daily GW/Cardarine for 8 weeks will help improve both of these values as well.

None of this is any judgement of you; just hopefully providing some context for why I answered what I did. Just looking at longterm health; this is things than can cause problems years down the line, not immediately.
 
Just an update - dropped tren at week 8, rolling into 4 more weeks of Masteron @ 500mg per week / Test @ 750mg per week. Blood pressure is becoming extremely difficult to manage and I can’t get it any lower than 145-90 on average unless it’s first thing in the morning. Using 2x 20mg lisinopril morning/afternoon, propranolol at night 80mg. Suggestions would be appreciated here, never ran into the blood pressure issues before. 165/100 has been seen a few times this week
 
Dominus said:
Just an update - dropped tren at week 8, rolling into 4 more weeks of Masteron @ 500mg per week / Test @ 750mg per week. Blood pressure is becoming extremely difficult to manage and I can’t get it any lower than 145-90 on average unless it’s first thing in the morning. Using 2x 20mg lisinopril morning/afternoon, propranolol at night 80mg. Suggestions would be appreciated here, never ran into the blood pressure issues before. 165/100 has been seen a few times this week
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I used to use Lisinopril when needed for BP, but switched to Telmisartan, which seems to work better for me. And I believe Lisinopril can affect the kidneys in some. But seeing as how you are so far in your cycle, and running some pretty high doses, you may struggle to get it down if the BP drugs are not doing the job. One of the reasons I no longer run Tren is I would get high blood pressure that I eventually just couldn’t control, that and crazy insomnia, but you’ve already dropped Tren.
 
Telmisartan at 80mg.

And if you aren’t supplementing with pine bark extract & grape seed extract twice per day, start doing that. Both help BP, great antioxidants, and Nattokinase combined with pine bark really helps prevent blood clots and thrombotic events. I kept these in year round, then add the Telmisartan on blast - it most directly inhibits how AAS raise blood pressure.

SNS Blood Pressure Support has pine bark, grape seed, and ameal peptides that all are healthy stackers to help bp, if you want a single product.

Ayush Carditone is also an herbal product good for 8-10 points at 2 tabs per day for me.
 
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