“Test Base”

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Can we ban everyone that asking for “Test base”??! WTF is “Test base” and why is everyone so fvcking worried about it??!

If you’re not willing to run real Test you might be leaving some gains on the table but you’ll be fine, asking for a “Test Base” won’t make it better, but, it actually might make you gay. It’s nothing wrong with being gay, but if you’re not gay and you start using something you think is a “Test base” your urge for dick might be too much to control. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.
 
🤣🤣🤣 i feel like i had a rant like this a few years back. Only test is a test base. Calling everything else a test base is bad internet lingo that stuck. Its burned into our brains
 
I only run oral cycles and dont tend to use a test base. I get much better results in 8 to 12 weeks with just the cycle and pct. Get some lethargy and sex drive dips but whenever I add any kind of "test base" my estrogen spikes, my gyno symptoms get worse and I end up spending more time trying to Ballance AI protocols.

This is just running single sarm or prohormone cycles though. And at pretty modest dosages. If people take large quantities of stuff then I guess it could be way different.
 
Wobmarvel said:
I only run oral cycles and dont tend to use a test base. I get much better results in 8 to 12 weeks with just the cycle and pct. Get some lethargy and sex drive dips but whenever I add any kind of "test base" my estrogen spikes, my gyno symptoms get worse and I end up spending more time trying to Ballance AI protocols.

This is just running single sarm or prohormone cycles though. And at pretty modest dosages. If people take large quantities of stuff then I guess it could be way different.
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Sounds like your a high estrogen converter. I bet you probably do well with most dht's
 
Smont said:
Sounds like your a high estrogen converter. I bet you probably do well with most dht's
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Best prohormone cycles I have ever done were halodrol and epistane, not at the same time. I have done superdrol and megavol (also superdrol). Those were much better for size but blood pressure and general lethargy way worse on them. Sarm wise my favourite is S4, tried ostarine, rad and lgd. Also of note though is I mainly run these things when trying to cut as opposed to putting on size so I'm not looking for huge muscle gain, more retention. I have never ran actual test but have tried different brands of 4 andro plus 4 ad in the past. I've also ran dermacrine along with these and I have more recently used enclomiphine but in every case I struggle to control gyno symptoms. Even superdrol without a base was better than with. Even though by week 3 I'm ready to throw in the towel and vow to never ever touch Peds again... Until a few months later.
 
Wobmarvel said:
Best prohormone cycles I have ever done were halodrol and epistane, not at the same time. I have done superdrol and megavol (also superdrol). Those were much better for size but blood pressure and general lethargy way worse on them. Sarm wise my favourite is S4, tried ostarine, rad and lgd. Also of note though is I mainly run these things when trying to cut as opposed to putting on size so I'm not looking for huge muscle gain, more retention. I have never ran actual test but have tried different brands of 4 andro plus 4 ad in the past. I've also ran dermacrine along with these and I have more recently used enclomiphine but in every case I struggle to control gyno symptoms. Even superdrol without a base was better than with. Even though by week 3 I'm ready to throw in the towel and vow to never ever touch Peds again... Until a few months later.
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Ya those are all dhts or similar effects and the sarms are not but sarms are very dry, no estrogen conversion. Makes sence. You would probably be a Candidate for deca only cycles and the stuff that seems to work with the small % of ppl who dont do good with test
 
Smont said:
Ya those are all dhts or similar effects and the sarms are not but sarms are very dry, no estrogen conversion. Makes sence. You would probably be a Candidate for deca only cycles and the stuff that seems to work with the small % of ppl who dont do good with test
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Would 1DHEA and Enclomiphene work well together or just a waste?
 
admittedly, when we came up with the term "test base" way back in the DAY (actually for LG sciences), we had no idea it would have this kind of staying power, nor did we think it would actually make a difference. It was only a sales ploy or marketing push.

I have had this rant many times over the years. wish we never started that crap.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
admittedly, when we came up with the term "test base" way back in the DAY (actually for LG sciences), we had no idea it would have this kind of staying power, nor did we think it would actually make a difference. It was only a sales ploy or marketing push.

I have had this rant many times over the years. wish we never started that crap.
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But did you know that using a test base will create an urge for dick for dudes?
 
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Smont said:
Ya those are all dhts or similar effects and the sarms are not but sarms are very dry, no estrogen conversion. Makes sence. You would probably be a Candidate for deca only cycles and the stuff that seems to work with the small % of ppl who dont do good with test
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Hdrol is technically a test derivative. But whether it's a test derivative or DHT derivative, in my opinion, makes little difference. I think people spend way too much time looking into that as test derivatives can have effects like DHT derivatives and vice versa.

The "test base" thing is pretty annoying. I've run cycles without test or even a "test base" and I've gotten along just fine. People are different though. Even when I crash my test I don't really feel those low test symptoms... but others do.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
admittedly, when we came up with the term "test base" way back in the DAY (actually for LG sciences), we had no idea it would have this kind of staying power, nor did we think it would actually make a difference. It was only a sales ploy or marketing push.

I have had this rant many times over the years. wish we never started that crap.
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Oh so you're to blame for this... good to know :cautious:
 
GreenMachineX said:
So running 4ad with something like 1ad is silly to y'all?
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No. Or at least not to me. It's just about the term "test base". Some do fine with just a suppressive anabolic for short cycles, but I think many do/would do better with 4-AD or 4-Andro or even just DHEA in the mix.
 
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GreenMachineX said:
So running 4ad with something like 1ad is silly to y'all?
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Not at all silly. But a "test base" can be test, 4-andro, epiandro, DHEA, etc etc. It's become a quite encompassing term and has also seemed to be billed and sold as a "must have," which it isn't always.
 
If I can clarify: It was myself and Rhadam that pushed it.

and to be specific, it was LGs DHEA we were pushing. the term test base to us at the time meant; you needed to take something in place of test, if you were in fact not on test. DHEA can convert to test (in a very specific manner that will never replace low test in males) so we coined the term to boost sales.

OG 4AD would be a better take on "test base".

today people just don't get it. and as easy as it is to get on test these days I really wish the term would just go away.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
If I can clarify: It was myself and Rhadam that pushed it.

and to be specific, it was LGs DHEA we were pushing. the term test base to us at the time meant; you needed to take something in place of test, if you were in fact not on test. DHEA can convert to test (in a very specific manner that will never replace low test in males) so we coined the term to boost sales.

OG 4AD would be a better take on "test base".

today people just don't get it. and as easy as it is to get on test these days I really wish the term would just go away.
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I was just playing around. The OG 4AD was legit conversion to test. Based on the blood results that PA claimed he saw, it was quite impressive. A lot of people believe with limited enzyme availability you can't get test levels as high with 4AD as you can with test, however since the body can't excrete it in its parent form, it stays in your system until it is converted. So at the proper doses you can get your test to supraphysiological levels that you would achieve with regular test. Unfortunately, those days are gone.
 
Running something to cover the needs testosterone provides will make the cycle better for almost everyone. But no1 NEEDS anything. You dont NEED to wipe your ass after taking a ****. But it helps if you do. Same thing for test on cycle.

If you feel fine without it then do you. Who cares what anyone else says if you are comfortable without it
 
Hdrol is active on its own and converts to tbol. I know exactly what hdrol is, it dosent change anything in my post. It acts more like a dht because of the lack of estrogen conversion. Same with eq for most ppl
 
Smont said:
Hdrol is active on its own and converts to tbol. I know exactly what hdrol is, it dosent change anything in my post. It acts more like a dht because of the lack of estrogen conversion. Same with eq for most ppl
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My point is, hdrol is a test derivative, not a DHT. The idea that it matters if something is a test derivative or DHT derivative is a bit bogus to me because the anabolic and androgenic effects go back and forth between the two. There is this assumption that because something is a test derivative it should "act" a certain way, and the same goes for DHT derivatives. But in the real world, it just doesn't work that way.
 
Stacks1 said:
My point is, hdrol is a test derivative, not a DHT. The idea that it matters if something is a test derivative or DHT derivative is a bit bogus to me because the anabolic and androgenic effects go back and forth between the two. There is this assumption that because something is a test derivative it should "act" a certain way, and the same goes for DHT derivatives. But in the real world, it just doesn't work that way.
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I get it, i know everything your saying and i agree with it. To me thats common knowldge, But most of the times you quote me you come across like its a argument even tho your saying sonething that im 100% in a agreement with.

Thats why i said the things he used are dhts "or similar effects as dhts"
 
Did anyone ever watch that "ask the doc" episode about pct. Apparently the beat way to restart your natural test is to just go cold turkey. You will feel worse but the process will take less time and it's better for your natural production apparently rather than relying on serms. No one in the 70s ran pct when coming off.
 
Wobmarvel said:
Did anyone ever watch that "ask the doc" episode about pct. Apparently the beat way to restart your natural test is to just go cold turkey. You will feel worse but the process will take less time and it's better for your natural production apparently rather than relying on serms. No one in the 70s ran pct when coming off.
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Makes sense...it's the best way to get off street drugs. It sucks way worse in the beginning but you'll be back to normal while the person who uses meds to get off drugs is still going through it
 
Wobmarvel said:
Did anyone ever watch that "ask the doc" episode about pct. Apparently the beat way to restart your natural test is to just go cold turkey. You will feel worse but the process will take less time and it's better for your natural production apparently rather than relying on serms. No one in the 70s ran pct when coming off.
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You ask a hundred different doctors that question you might get a hundred different answers
 
Wobmarvel said:
Did anyone ever watch that "ask the doc" episode about pct. Apparently the beat way to restart your natural test is to just go cold turkey. You will feel worse but the process will take less time and it's better for your natural production apparently rather than relying on serms. No one in the 70s ran pct when coming off.
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Not only the 70s but I don't think they ran PCT in the 80s, 90s, or 00s. A lot of people (including myself) can suppress their test to double digit numbers and feel perfectly fine. Having said that, look at the BBers in the 70s, 80s, 90, and 00s today.... they're all on TRT now. Whether you use SERMS or go cold turkey, you usually end up in the same place.
 
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Not only the 70s but I don't think they ran PCT in the 80s, 90s, or 00s. A lot of people (including myself) can suppress their test to double digit numbers and feel perfectly fine. Having said that, look at the BBers in the 70s, 80s, 90, and 00s today.... they're all on TRT now. Whether you use SERMS or go cold turkey, you usually end up in the same place.
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Agreed, i think the end situation for most will be the same regardless of pct or not. Most ppl with low t dont even know it. And if your destined for trt one day nothing is gonna change that
 
But anyone whos ever ran a failed pct or no pct and it backfired know how terrible it feels.

Also, they guys back in the day were pretty much always on cycle just like now. You cant come of deca for a month or 2 and say your off cycle, your still on
 
Also, I think people run SERMS pretty high. I don't think people realize how effective clomid at 25/25/12.5/12.5 or nolva at 20/20/10/10 actually is. If I'm running 400mgs of test + an oral, that is all I use.
 
Let’s stop the “Test base” nonsense once and for all, from now on Test base will be called GAY base and anyone that ask for such will be gay shamed. (Unless they are gay, then they will just be pussy shamed) 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Smont said:
Your right, lots would say that too. Any that dont understand hrt and those things would be clueless
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Regular doctors in the UK have no training on Peds at all. I get it, on the NHS they are there for general quality of life issues etc. does make it annoying when in the past I have had prostate issues and high blood pressure and I am always open with them and say what I have been taking but they just look at me with a blank expression and say "probably best not to take any of those things"

I recently had my gyno diagnosed and I had informed them of the fact that over the years I had used oral anabolics and sarms and they didn't know what a sarm was. Also I was advised to "not take any more anabolic substances and don't drink whey protein drinks"

True story.
 
I'm gonna keep hold of the enclomiphine just in case I want a GAY base at some point in the future. Never say never.
 
Wobmarvel said:
I'm gonna keep hold of the enclomiphine just in case I want a GAY base at some point in the future. Never say never.
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What if instead of saying test base we just call those things buttplugs. And then we tell everyone they shouldnt run cycles without a buttplug?
 
Stacks1 said:
I'm unsure why so many people are running enclo on cycle. Do we know if this is ideal for recovery? I'm not saying it is or isn't... I'm just questioning it.
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We have been going through this on the forum for YEARS, guys trying to reinvent the wheel.

First it was clomid, then torom, now enclo. There is absolutely nothing ideal about using a serm on cycle in place of test.

If anything its less healthy, higher risk of clotting and some other potiential issues.

Literally every few years Someone comes up with an idea like this and acts like it's the new big thing and it's gonna revolutionize running cycles and all the people who dont want to pin start patting eachother on the back and telling them its a great idea.

Its more like a "doable" way to run low dose short cycles, but id much rather see ppl just run a oral only cycle and save the enclo for pct
 
Smont said:
We have been going through this on the forum for YEARS, guys trying to reinvent the wheel.

First it was clomid, then torom, now enclo. There is absolutely nothing ideal about using a serm on cycle in place of test.

If anything its less healthy, higher risk of clotting and some other potiential issues.

Literally every few years Someone comes up with an idea like this and acts like it's the new big thing and it's gonna revolutionize running cycles and all the people who dont want to pin start patting eachother on the back and telling them its a great idea.

Its more like a "doable" way to run low dose short cycles, but id much rather see ppl just run a oral only cycle and save the enclo for pct
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But how would it work as a test base w LGD?

just kidding🤪🤣🤪🤣
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
But how would it work as a test base w LGD?

just kidding🤪🤣🤪🤣
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On a serious note there's no answer how it will work with any compound. And there is a massive difference in 10 mg Or 60mg or 100mg lgd. There's no answer to questions like this.

A more accurate answer for how something would work as a test base, Everything besides testosterone will work zero percent as a test base because it's not test. Even 4 andro "works" More because of astrogen than testosterone.

Testosterone is a motor vehicle, 4ad is bicycle and serm base is A crappy old pair of roller skates someone found at the salvation army
 
Guess I've been extremely lucky..
Either it's the head injuries or I just don't remember hearing that much up tick on Test Base..
I usually refer that to TNE..
Z...
 
I think the idea with enclo is that it signals the brain to produce more test through a natural pathway. If I was running a 6 to 8 week oral cycle then I would use nothing the first few weeks then introduce enclo towards the end of the cycle. Then I would continue it a couple of weeks after then taper off over 1 to 2 weeks. If you take test then you need to come off the cycle plus come off the test by introducing more compounds. Unless you run test year round.

And obviously this is me just pulling protocols out my butt with no actual scientific basis or bloodwork to verify anything.
 
I know it's almost like the Division of the Baptist Religion..
Some believe it's absolutely necessary..
Other's don't..
Bottom Line..if it's works for you and Bloodwork reflects that..
Personal Choice..!!
Z...
 
Smont said:
Its more like a "doable" way to run low dose short cycles, but id much rather see ppl just run a oral only cycle and save the enclo for pct
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Even if it's doable I struggle to understand the logic these people use for it. Even if someone wants to just run 2 oral cycles per year at 8 weeks each, then that would mean they would use it for 2 months on cycle, then a month PCT? That's being on a SERM for 6 months a year. To me, the risk/reward profile is ass backwards rather than just running test, 4-andro, DHEA. Hell, I would rather skip a "test base" altogether rather than be on a SERM 6 months out of the year. But that's just me.
 
PhantomReaper said:
I know it's almost like the Division of the Baptist Religion..
Some believe it's absolutely necessary..
Other's don't..
Bottom Line..if it's works for you and Bloodwork reflects that..
Personal Choice..!!
Z...
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Or like the catholic church. The urge for dick casting a shadow over both ideologies.
 
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