That right there. If you are someone who chases a feeling like the first time you are gonna have issues. If you use 2-6 grams a day max to me it’s actually way easier to stop than stims are. I can not use kratom for a week no problem, but if I stop all stims I get actually sick feeling and pounding headaches by day 2.
It's no joke. I know a kid who kicked his heroin addiction using kratom, except now he has a bottle per week kratom addiction that costs 8x as much as his dope habbit was.
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Probably safer though despite the dose and cost.It's no joke. I know a kid who kicked his heroin addiction using kratom, except now he has a bottle per week kratom addiction that costs 8x as much as his dope habbit was.
If you have a addictive personality or prior drug abuse problems It's a risky drug
7 to 10 days no caffeine and that will stop and you will get caffeine sensitivity completely back, at least most ppl will. But it actually has to be ZERO CAFFEINE. Even The tiny bit of caffeine in decaf coffee will stop this from happening.
Ya but that's like saying im gonna quit drinking hard liquor and only have wine.
I can promise you 100% that if you don’t have an addictive personality, kratom is totally worth it.
Thc is the only rec drug I still use. Not during the day either. Only at night a few times a week I have a edible, my tolerance is very low. 15mg or more and I'm fucked up
See, it's interesting to me because I don't have an addictive personality. Never had an issue trying something, starting something for a bit and stopping. I never saw it coming with kratom. Tried it recreationally and found that it let me power through workouts and made me feel really good. I always dosed low around 2 grams. Took regular breaks. Then the feeling became shorter and shorter and the mentality of, "oh I am already dosing so low, what's another gram.." crept in, then 2x daily dosing so I could stretch it into the day. After awhile I was sitting at 5-7g a day- which annoyed me because I felt weak. But ultimately I found that it was making me a hermit, I didn't care about socializing, had a quick temper, everything would drive me nuts when I was coming down, and the physical changes- losing hair, dry patches on skin, black circles under my eyes, etc.. became too much.
Damnit! Stop teasing me!
I can promise you that this is 100% not true. I personally know quite a few people that believed this until they didn't and there are plenty of boards out there discussing kratom and how sneaky it is and the difficulty stopping.
I do drink occasionally but I wouldn't call it "recreational" because I don't get drunk or anything. If I go to a bar to watch a game and have some wings I might have a beer or 2. Occasionally I might have a scotch and cigar... but even that's rare. Let's put it this way... I can't remember the last time I've ever had a hangover.
Read the part about addictive personality again
That's probably about where I am around too. My dosing is a little off from time to time as I make my own edibles. But I just find THC to be the best way to unwind at the end of the day/ before bed. It's by far my worst vice... which isn't too bad.
What is it going to tell me the 3rd time I read it that has any relevance?
I will disagree with him, we'll kinda, to a degree. "worth it" is a very personal opinion. You would have to ask yourself what does worth it mean. I do like how I feel when I use it, and I won't use it more then 1 or 2 times in a month, Like I said above I have a bottle that's been around for 6 months and I haven't even put a Dent in it yet. The main reason I don't like it is because I feel sick 4 to 5 hours after taking it. So I can imagine the withdrawal will be horrible if I used it daily.
“I was hooked on that **** for 5 years”- kisaj
You both make valid points to a degree, remember that were discussing our personal experience and opinions here. It's OK to disagree. I still don't think I would encourage someone to try it for the first time. But if someone wanted to I also wouldn't be against it. We're adults, we gotta decide for ourselves and sometimes we gotta learn the hard way. It may be a wonderful experience or it may be a terrible drug problem. It's a coin toss
I guess it just doesn't look like something that I feel is worth it for me to start. What I've read about the effects don't seem super apprealing to me to even bother starting with it. I just don't like the risk/reward profile for me. I'd rather try something like psilocybin if I'm going to try another recreational drug.
i encountered this as well and started taking tums with it to counter the nausea. it led to increased dependence. it can be difficult to stop taking it
We are a strong headed group around here. Lolmy thoughts exactly
I missed this post. Making sure not to use it daily is important. So that's probably what's keeping you good here, or a lot of will power.
It isn't just about an addictive personality.
Appreciate your insight because I have seen quite a number of guys here that (likely some of the same you refer to) that have tried unsuccessfully to stop as well. And I mentioned it up above but it got buried, is that there is addiction and there is dependence and in my personal experience, it was the dependence that got me and to be honest- scared the crap out of me. Because again, I've been able to pick up and put down anything I've tried in life, but kratom created physical dependence and that is largely why so many people have such difficulty stopping. Body aches, stomach cramps, inability to eat for days, headaches, restless legs, fatigue, on and on... It got to the point that if I didn't take it, I couldn't get anything done.
I wish i could do that, I know I need to but there's not a chance in hell because of my job
I did a caffeine cleanse when I was on night shift 12 hour shifts in the military. Where there’s a will there’s a way!
Good point
Ya lol, alcohol is better then both. In fact it was so much better then thc or kratom that I worked up to drinking 30 drinks a day, missing family functions, calling out of work, not paying my bills and racking up credit card debt because I was in the bar till 1am 7 days a week. And it's poison. With thc tho, I relax, watch TV and maybe eat some junk food. I rarely leave the house after consuming it and I sleep better. Well, maybe sleep longer. It's definitely arguable if the quality of sleep while on THC is any better and may actually be worse. But for a go, go, go person like me. A little thc puts the breaks on and does me benificial things.
I'm guessing I don't have to worry about this but I'm going to say it anyways..don't ever try heroin then. If I find out you do I will personally fly to Connecticut go to every gym to find you and beat the $hit outta you. If it wasn't for that crap I might have actually been able to do something with this whole bodybuilding thing. That's why my coach back in the day was so upset when he found out I relapsed. He was like do you know how many guys will never have what you have naturally and just take for granted and yiur just throwing it all awayYa lol, alcohol is better then both. In fact it was so much better then thc or kratom that I worked up to drinking 30 drinks a day, missing family functions, calling out of work, not paying my bills and racking up credit card debt because I was in the bar till 1am 7 days a week. And it's poison. With thc tho, I relax, watch TV and maybe eat some junk food. I rarely leave the house after consuming it and I sleep better. Well, maybe sleep longer. It's definitely arguable if the quality of sleep while on THC is any better and may actually be worse. But for a go, go, go person like me. A little thc puts the breaks on and does me benificial things.
At the end of the day I traded a really bad habit I couldn't control for a less evil more controlled yet still another habit. Or since I don't make a habit out of it maybe vice is a better word.
It all circles back to what's worth it to you and personal opinion. As bad as alcohol is I wish I could drink responsible because I use to have a lot of fun.
I've tried a lot of things over the years. The 2 absolute hardest ones without a doubt to quit "for me" are alcohol and cigarettes. There the only 2 substances I've ever became addicted or dependent on. But you can buy them legally on every street corner
The 2 most legally and widely accepted substances are responsible for more deaths then every drug, recreational and ped, on the planet combined.
I would literally cut my own dick off before I tried heroin. It's not something I have ever considered in my life. @Mikereyn513, dude, your often talking to me about drugs and addiction. Outside of alcohol I have never had a problem with Recreational drugs. Every single person on this message board is more likely to win the lottery at the same time then I am likely to try a new drug or even use any drug outside of thc. The whole spectrum of drugs where heroin falls is the opposite of what I like to do. I high energy, excitement and feeling good. Every single person I've ever seen do dope was sloped over in there chair or nodding off at work. No thanks
I have pretty much made a habit out of THC myself. The reason I find it so hard to quit is because:
Not sure if we talked about it before, but if you are in a legal state, you should look into the options available with terpenes that could allow you to cut back on the THC if that were a concern- though it really doesn't need to be. As long as it's working, cool, but if it ever stops or doesn't address the sleep or pain, then it would be worth investigating.
its not the same effect as thc but I really like Apex’s “Relax”. I use it after my workouts and it helps reduce inflammation and soreness (to an extent), and also has a nice calming effect without the high. Phytocaine has been great for specific areas in pain.
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