Hyperion in PCT - ?

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If I ran some epiandro + hyperion could I stay on Hyperion thru PCT ?

would a natty PCT still suffice?

6-8 weeks Hyperion + epiandro
PCt: hyperion + CEL comaplex + armihex ?
 
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The anabolics section might get you more answers to this question but I would recommend still grabbing a serm if you're planning to run anything suppressive such as epiandro.
 
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If I ran some epiandro + hyperion could I stay on Hyperion thru PCT ?

would a natty PCT still suffice?

6-8 weeks Hyperion + epiandro
PCt: hyperion + CEL comaplex + armihex ?

unless I am mistaken

Did you specify Epi in what form? TD or ORAL? and how much ? 150-300g? Others ?
 
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If I ran some epiandro + hyperion could I stay on Hyperion thru PCT ?

would a natty PCT still suffice?

6-8 weeks Hyperion + epiandro
PCt: hyperion + CEL comaplex + armihex ?
my answer is yes but only at .5-1 ml for the first few weeks. there is a little bit of DHEA in it so you don't want to take enough to confuse your recovery.

all that said. recovery from EPIandro should happen within about a week give or take.
 

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my answer is yes but only at .5-1 ml for the first few weeks. there is a little bit of DHEA in it so you don't want to take enough to confuse your recovery.

all that said. recovery from EPIandro should happen within about a week give or take.
so if I stacked it with Epi ….
.5-1mL Hyperion + 600mg Epi (oral)

then just stick with that dose of Hyperion thru PCT ?
 
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Do you have a long cycle history, how many times have you cycled and PCT'd.

I ask as at your age with 0 cycles under your belt you, IMO/IME, would recover with nothing other than time off.
I have found with each passing cycle the combination of age and "mileage" put on the HPTA recovery gets less and less, for most.
 
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Do you have a long cycle history, how many times have you cycled and PCT'd.

I ask as at your age with 0 cycles under your belt you, IMO/IME, would recover with nothing other than time off.
I have found with each passing cycle the combination of age and "mileage" put on the HPTA recovery gets less and less, for most.
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Do you have a long cycle history, how many times have you cycled and PCT'd.

I ask as at your age with 0 cycles under your belt you, IMO/IME, would recover with nothing other than time off.
I have found with each passing cycle the combination of age and "mileage" put on the HPTA recovery gets less and less, for most.
I’ve ran andros 3 times but that’s it. Last run was 2ish years ago
 
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I’ve ran andros 3 times but that’s it. Last run was 2ish years ago
just to drive the point home, recovery from Andro's is not the same as recovering from say a designer steroid cycle. the pulsatile nature of bodily enzymes and all else going on, these DHEAs can and do convert, but, and here's the catch, they don't convert at high rates, nor do they last long in the body. so, if we use something like DHEA analogs and ingest it, some of it makes it through the gut. whatever amount of Andro's that makes it into the bloodstream is only active to make conversion for about an hour and a half (+/- depending on which). so, you have that time window to make the needed conversion[s] to the target hormone. again, this ultimately reduces further that amount of hormone you are trying to get to. that said, we have what you would consider a micro amount of all naturally produced target hormone. no esters attached. no methyl's prolonging the half-life, and the possibility to back convert to the original Andro makes this a totally different outcome and likewise approach to recovery.

[ I want to also point out that I am not mentioning the other effects of intermediate conversions or active stance of the PHs on purpose, though it should be mentioned that many Andros' exhibit an effect prior to converting to other hormones]

It's my stance that most people can recover with a healthy HPTA in a week or two without lasting effects on the endocrine system. do you need a SERm??? I doubt it but we are individuals so maybe you do. do you need a test booster? again maybe... maybe not. I think most people can follow a time-on-time off approach to cycling Andro's, and with good nutrition and training, make a recovery without a pct.

Where is the fun with that? Using Apex's Test boosting/hormonal optimizing/estrogen limiting/cortisol managing arsenal Virtually ensures a successful recovery and little chance of any kind of rebound.
 
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just to drive the point home, recovery from Andro's is not the same as recovering from say a designer steroid cycle. the pulsatile nature of enzymes and all else going on, these DHEAs can and do convert, but, and here's the catch, they don't convert at high rates, nor do they last long in the body. so, if we use something like DHEA analogs and ingest it, some of it makes it through the gut. whatever amount of Andro's that makes it into the bloodstream is only active to make conversion for about an hour and a half (+/- depending on which). so, you have that time window to make the needed conversion[s] to the target hormone. again, this ultimately reduces further that amount of hormone you are trying to get to. that said, we have what you would consider a micro amount of all naturally produced target hormone. no esters attached. no methyl's prolonging the half-life, and the possibility to back convert to the original Andro makes this a totally different outcome and likewise approach to recovery.

[ I want to also point out that I am not mentioning the other effects of intermediate conversions or active stance of the PHs on purpose, though it should be mentioned that many Andros' exhibit an effect prior to converting to other hormones]

It's my stance that most people can recover with a healthy HPTA in a week or two without lasting effects on the endocrine system. do you need a SERm??? I doubt it but we are individuals so maybe you do. do you need a test booster? again maybe... maybe not. I think most people can follow a time-on-time off approach to cycling Andro's, and with good nutrition and training, make a recovery without a pct.

Where is the fun with that? Using Apex's Test boosting/hormonal optimizing/estrogen limiting/cortisol managing arsenal Virtually ensures a successful recovery and little chance of any kind of rebound.
I would say my libido is naturally higher than normal for my age (even being married for three years and with the same woman for almost 8) lol. Hyperion has it up slightly and Arimihex had it up a lot. Again that is with what I would consider at least a slightly higher libido than may be normal for a 34 year old…
 

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just to drive the point home, recovery from Andro's is not the same as recovering from say a designer steroid cycle. the pulsatile nature of bodily enzymes and all else going on, these DHEAs can and do convert, but, and here's the catch, they don't convert at high rates, nor do they last long in the body. so, if we use something like DHEA analogs and ingest it, some of it makes it through the gut. whatever amount of Andro's that makes it into the bloodstream is only active to make conversion for about an hour and a half (+/- depending on which). so, you have that time window to make the needed conversion[s] to the target hormone. again, this ultimately reduces further that amount of hormone you are trying to get to. that said, we have what you would consider a micro amount of all naturally produced target hormone. no esters attached. no methyl's prolonging the half-life, and the possibility to back convert to the original Andro makes this a totally different outcome and likewise approach to recovery.

[ I want to also point out that I am not mentioning the other effects of intermediate conversions or active stance of the PHs on purpose, though it should be mentioned that many Andros' exhibit an effect prior to converting to other hormones]

It's my stance that most people can recover with a healthy HPTA in a week or two without lasting effects on the endocrine system. do you need a SERm??? I doubt it but we are individuals so maybe you do. do you need a test booster? again maybe... maybe not. I think most people can follow a time-on-time off approach to cycling Andro's, and with good nutrition and training, make a recovery without a pct.

Where is the fun with that? Using Apex's Test boosting/hormonal optimizing/estrogen limiting/cortisol managing arsenal Virtually ensures a successful recovery and little chance of any kind of rebound.
I’ve had great andro runs, always maintained the gains (minus glycogen loss obviously) and have not used a SERM with good recovery. Maybe I will try using them with more frequency as you’re suggesting. First run was 2016, then 2020, and now.
 

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