Question about the relation of T and DHEA levels

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Hello all. Straightforward question, is it a normal biological process for DHEA to go down if T is being boosted through natural means ie herbal supplementation/standardized extracts/diet? (Not past levels considered unhealthy, but optimal)
 
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no I don't think so, DHEA is the bodies master hormone. its makes most of your sex hormones. It can get depleted for sure but boosting test shouldn't just make your DHEA levels drop. It usually takes place as any natural reduction of sex hormones as we age. How old are you?
 
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I’m actually referring to this study on furosap:


“o changes were observed in body weight and BMI. Both systolic and diastolic blood pressure, and DHEA levels significantly decreased. Free and bound testosterone levels improved significantly at 12 weeks of treatment. Sperm motility significantly increased at 8- and 12-weeks of treatment, while abnormal sperm morphology significantly decreased at 12-weeks of treatment. Mental alertness, mood, and reflex erection score significantly alleviated. An age-induced increasing effect was observed. Furthermore, cardiovascular health and libido significantly improved. Blood chemistry analyses exhibited broad spectrum safety. A decreasing trend was observed in total cholesterol, triglycerides, and VLDL levels, while an increasing trend was observed in HDL level at 12 weeks of treatment. LDL level decreased significantly at 12-weeks of treatment. No adverse events were observed.



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a couple members talk about how that would a logical response to boosting T, that it’s substrate levels , DHEA, would go down.
 
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thanks, I will look into it, I hadnt seen studies showing strong enough responces to herbs to illicit a suppresion scenario.
 
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It wouldn't shock me if it did but such a phenomenon could easily be corrected with a DHEA supplement. If it decreases DHEA-Sulfate then an oral supplement is best. If it's only/primarily decreasing DHEA a quality TD DHEA product would be ideal.
 
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The question was more along the lines of is DHEA going down a normal response of T being boosted? Ie is it a normal homeostatic process that doesn’t require correction?
 
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The question was more along the lines of is DHEA going down a normal response of T being boosted? Ie is it a normal homeostatic process that doesn’t require correction?
Require? Probably not. "May benefit from correction" would be how I'd phrase it.
 

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I hear what you’re saying.

I’m still wondering if it is a normal homeostatic response though
 
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I hear what you’re saying.

I’m still wondering if it is a normal homeostatic response though
I have no reason to believe it's abnormal but I'd have to spend more time pouring over the full text text than I have time to, right now, in order to try to be exculpatory.

In English: I think it's probably normal.
 
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Ok so exogenous, my main questions pertains to endogenous, but thank you for pulling all that up, appreciate your time
 
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Ok so exogenous, my main questions pertains to endogenous, but thank you for pulling all that up, appreciate your time
Hey, no problem man.

Although I understand that it wasn't exactly what you were looking for.....
Consider this .... IMO, it is closer to the answer than the initial link that you posted. ... The reason being, that one was product focused. Product was introduced, and some of the results were: higher Testosterone, lower DHEA, etc.
Although we (and I don't believe they) know for sure the exact reasons for these particular effects, the study was assuming a cause effect relationship between the product and the effects, not a causal relationship between the effects themselves.

Although the studies I pulled up weren't specifically "Endogenous" Testosterone focused, they are higher Testosterone focused. (Higher Testosterone = these effects).

I personally believe it will be difficult to find exactly what you're looking for, because it would be difficult to determine a causal relationship. I believe it would take a massive research project, that still might encounter problems with cause and effect.
Not the least of which would be the fact that it Could be that it makes no difference where the Testosterone came from.
 
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I don’t know, but if I were to guess, I think the answer will be “it depends.” If you take something that just increases hormone output, you could see a boost in both. If you take something that increases enzymes that catalyze the conversion, you would obviously skew the ratio. I doubt there’s any “rule” as to what you should expect.
 

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The heart of the matter for me is, since I’m taking furosap, do I have to worry about my dhea levels. I feel 100%, I feel good, but my worry is something going on below the surface I should be concerned about. Is this a safe product to use that the body figures utilizes healthily and figures out the right balance to
Be at.
 
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The heart of the matter for me is, since I’m taking furosap, do I have to worry about my dhea levels. I feel 100%, I feel good, but my worry is something going on below the surface I should be concerned about. Is this a safe product to use that the body figures utilizes healthily and figures out the right balance to
Be at.

IMO this is NOT something to worry about. If you are really concerned get DHEA blood test after 8 weeks of using the product in question. IF IF IF your DHEA is BELOW NORMAL RANGE then you can easily correct it. I have had DHEA high on labs, lower on labs but still normal and I have NEVER felt any difference. Now if you were SIGNIFICANTLY out of range on the low side this would likely be noticeable. Reducing levels a small amount but still having in normal range is not going to be noticeable IMO. This is teetering on micro-managing IMO and not to be fussed with. If you have missed a single meal in the last 30 days or a single training session worry about those as they matter 100000000000X more than minor fluctuations in dhea levels.
 

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