Oral base to star with Var

[Bennnjamon]

Hey all,
Wanted to run a 50mg Var cutting cycle but I have been advised to run a test base with it. I am a bit of a pussy about needles and this coupled w my partner being a doctor who’s anti AAS, I’d rather just go the oral route at the moment and maybe try to change her mind (and get her to pin me) if I have good results without major sides. Is there anything available that would be a decent replacement for test?

Planned 25/25mg Var
500MG TUDCA

PCT of nolva 40mg wks 1-2 and 20mg wks 3-4
Open to suggestions for further support or PCT based on any additions or input

 

[ZLB70]

Hey all,
Wanted to run a 50mg Var cutting cycle but I have been advised to run a test base with it. I am a bit of a pussy about needles and this coupled w my partner being a doctor who’s anti AAS, I’d rather just go the oral route at the moment and maybe try to change her mind (and get her to pin me) if I have good results without major sides. Is there anything available that would be a decent replacement for test?

Planned 25/25mg Var
500MG TUDCA

PCT of nolva 40mg wks 1-2 and 20mg wks 3-4
Open to suggestions for further support or PCT based on any additions or input

You could go with 4-andro. Usual dose is 330mg a day. Although test will always be king

 

[BBiceps]

You can run Var by itself and if you’re scared of needles it’s still Test cream/gel and I saw someone advertise a Test spray so it’s a few other ways to use Test without injecting it. I wouldn’t use/trust “Test base” stuff, it seems pointless to me.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Yeah you might be fine without. Dermacrine can be used for this also.

 

[Bennnjamon]

Not sure I have access to 4 andro but I’ll look around.

Could someone explain the dermacrine? Unfamiliar with it.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Are you dead set on running var because they're are plenty of other effective ways to cut. And honestly if your against needles and if your partner means anything at all to you then maybe the dark side isn't for you. It's not for everybody nor should it be. Maybe it's something to really think about before you go any going any further with this

 

[mTOR25]

Hey all,
Wanted to run a 50mg Var cutting cycle but I have been advised to run a test base with it. I am a bit of a pussy about needles and this coupled w my partner being a doctor who’s anti AAS, I’d rather just go the oral route at the moment and maybe try to change her mind (and get her to pin me) if I have good results without major sides. Is there anything available that would be a decent replacement for test?

Planned 25/25mg Var
500MG TUDCA

PCT of nolva 40mg wks 1-2 and 20mg wks 3-4
Open to suggestions for further support or PCT based on any additions or input

You can run gear subq with a 29g 5/8th inch needle and it is equally effective!

 

[match]

Are you dead set on running var because they're are plenty of other effective ways to cut. And honestly if your against needles and if your partner means anything at all to you then maybe the dark side isn't for you. It's not for everybody nor should it be. Maybe it's something to really think about before you go any going any further with this

^^^ This

What's your reason for wanting to use anavar at all? Do you really think you can't get the goals you're after without it?

You intend to cut, so do your cut and then do a maintenance phase, and then do a bulk if you want to gain some muscle after that. If you do your cut right, you should be able to negate/minimize any muscle loss, without having to potentially mess with your hormones.

 

[Bennnjamon]

I think I’m just going to man up and subq inject test. What would be the best test base? Ideally a long half life ester that I don’t have to inject daily.

 

[Mikereyn513]

If you subq yiu have to do it everyday. Test enenthate or cypionate are long esters with half lives of 7 and 10 days respectively so they can be done once a week but they have to be done IM. The reason people do small subq shots everyday is so they don't get hormonal fluctuations. It is what it is bro

 

[mTOR25]

If you subq yiu have to do it everyday. Test enenthate or cypionate are long esters with half lives of 7 and 10 days respectively so they can be done once a week but they have to be done IM. The reason people do small subq shots everyday is so they don't get hormonal fluctuations. It is what it is bro

That's not true well the part about the reason is for more stable serum concentrations is partially true but the reason is there is a much slower release of the compound from the depo site. Therefore you could actually pin less often except the one thing is you really don't want to pin more then 0.5ml in each site?

Let's say you want to do once weekly injections which I still advice daily but if you looking to use say 250mg ad a test base then either you could do two days a week with one shot each of 0.5ml OR you could do it at the same time just with two shots?

I only give this advice because looks like the OP will be attempting to hide this from his GF lol. So he could definitely do a long ester like Enanthate or Cypionate once a week with just two shots at the same time.

I advise doing the shots in the side of the hip btw you will have nearly zero discomfort and the lumps won't be noticeable at all!!!

 

[mTOR25]

I think I’m just going to man up and subq inject test. What would be the best test base? Ideally a long half life ester that I don’t have to inject daily.

Get either Enanthate or cypionate esters and if you want to do it as least as possible then just do all your shots in one day? You can't or it's not advisable to do more then 0.5ml in each subq site but if you starting g with just 250mg as a base then that's just two injections? If you planning to try a higher dose that's fine like say 325mg will just take 3 shots!

I would advise you split it up I myself take subq literally everyday for serum concentration stability but you can absolutely do it less often! I would recommend atleast twice a week though and then you don't have to do several at once although considering its so low stress and complication free it doesn't matter really?

Use the side of your hips for injection sites I would not recommend anywhere else!!!

 

[Mikereyn513]

Get either Enanthate or cypionate esters and if you want to do it as least as possible then just do all your shots in one day? You can't or it's not advisable to do more then 0.5ml in each subq site but if you starting g with just 250mg as a base then that's just two injections? If you planning to try a higher dose that's fine like say 325mg will just take 3 shots!

I would advise you split it up I myself take subq literally everyday for serum concentration stability but you can absolutely do it less often! I would recommend atleast twice a week though and then you don't have to do several at once although considering its so low stress and complication free it doesn't matter really?

Use the side of your hips for injection sites I would not recommend anywhere else!!!

Honestly I think op should just stay away from this side of things. I don't think its for him and he needs to accept the fact that it's okay

 

[Smont]

Sun q injection is often more painful than a intramuscular injection. The only part that really hurts is when your breaking the skin. But when you go sub q you're putting a glob of oil in a space where it doesn't always fit. This is going to leave a sore little lump that can take up to 2 weeks to disperse, even at 0.2ml per day or EOD your gonna end up with a lot of lumps and bumps sooner or later.

If you wanna go sub q and not inject frequently you can put 1/2ml Sub-Q in your ass cheek 1x week to give yourself a trt dose. You alternate cheeks so it's 2 weeks between cheeks and the oil can disperse. But your gonna have a lump in ya butt pretty much all the time. Sometimes you notice it and sometimes you dont

 

[Smont]

Honestly I think op should just stay away from this side of things. I don't think its for him and he needs to accept the fact that it's okay

Yep this.

If you really don't wanna use needles and try some gear then use a baby dose of dbol. 5-15mg daily tops. Dbol is actually still used as hormone replacement therapy in some places. But it doesn't work for everyone .

10mg dbol daily with 25mg of var would work. But I still agree with the post I quoted too

 

[Smont]

Here's the problem you face when running oral only cycles. Your limit to fairly low doses and short runs of 4-6 weeks.

In 4-6 weeks your not building much actual muscle. You might load up with water and glyogen but you would be lucky to add more then 2-3lbs of muscle. Then you come off and you loose the cosmetic effects and even if your 2-3lbs bigger still, your natural hormones won't support it very long. Now you need 4 weeks of PCT and 6 more weeks off cycle and when you start your next cycle your right back where you started

 

[BBiceps]

Get either Enanthate or cypionate esters and if you want to do it as least as possible then just do all your shots in one day? You can't or it's not advisable to do more then 0.5ml in each subq site but if you starting g with just 250mg as a base then that's just two injections? If you planning to try a higher dose that's fine like say 325mg will just take 3 shots!

I would advise you split it up I myself take subq literally everyday for serum concentration stability but you can absolutely do it less often! I would recommend atleast twice a week though and then you don't have to do several at once although considering its so low stress and complication free it doesn't matter really?

Use the side of your hips for injection sites I would not recommend anywhere else!!!

I do 1cc no issues at all subq in my stomach one time a week for my TRT, I rarely get lumps, if I do they disappear after a day or so. You’re right about the side though, it’s easier.

 

[Bennnjamon]

Yeah I'm not opposed to IM I just have never done it before, I've done subq when I was running BPC for an injury so I was comfortable with that but if it's not the ideal route that's fine. I could get a similar dose pinning .33 ml of 400mg Test E instead of 0.5 ml of the 250, but I had a friend say higher concentration vials can be harder to inject? Not sure if that's worth noting or not. At the end of the day I don't really care that much between subq or IM I was just going with the more familiar.

 

[Smont]

Yeah I'm not opposed to IM I just have never done it before, I've done subq when I was running BPC for an injury so I was comfortable with that but if it's not the ideal route that's fine. I could get a similar dose pinning .33 ml of 400mg Test E instead of 0.5 ml of the 250, but I had a friend say higher concentration vials can be harder to inject? Not sure if that's worth noting or not. At the end of the day I don't really care that much between subq or IM I was just going with the more familiar.

Just a heads up, BpC works way better if you go intramuscular with it

 

[Smont]

I do 1cc no issues at all subq in my stomach one time a week for my TRT, I rarely get lumps, if I do they disappear after a day or so. You’re right about the side though, it’s easier.

Your an outlier for sure with that. Sometimes il go sub q for trt doses, 0.2ml 3x week and that 0.2 doesn't leave a visual lump but I can feel it with my fingers for over a week. Usually after about a month of doing those little Sub-Q ones I end up with so many little lumps I just stop and go back to im. How long between shots do you do 1ml sub in the same site?

 

[BBiceps]

How long between shots do you do 1ml sub in the same site?

I switch sides every week so every 2 weeks I hit the same side/area. I’m doing subq for TRT to give my muscle a break from blasting higher cc’s, it’s super annoying to me to do injections so I always try to get away with as few injections as possible, it’s mostly 2x week for blasts and 1 for TRT. I never felt a dip from doing less shots.

 

[Smont]

I switch sides every week so every 2 weeks I hit the same side/area. I’m doing subq for TRT to give my muscle a break from blasting higher cc’s, it’s super annoying to me to do injections so I always try to get away with as few injections as possible, it’s mostly 2x week for blasts and 1 for TRT. I never felt a dip from doing less shots.

I feel you on that, I've never felt a dip either from doing less frequent shots the only issue I get is the more spaced out my shots are the more acne I get, it doesn't seem to be a big deal when I'm just on a trt dose but if I'm running like 400 mg of testosterone or more and I do a once weekly injection I'll start breaking out on my back and shoulders. I have noticed that over the past 2 years the breakouts are less intense or less bad I should say than they used to be but still nonetheless the more frequent my injection schedule is the less back acne pops up. The last little cycle I did 300 test 300 EQ I bumped up to 450 each then back down to 300 each and added oral Winnie at 50 mg a day, I pinned every single day for that cycle and I had maybe one or two zits the whole time. I stop pinning about 8 to 10 days ago or something like that and I'm starting to get little pimples popping up on my shoulders around my traps, I even got one in the middle of my ass cheek that was super annoying LOL.

 

[BBiceps]

I feel you on that, I've never felt a dip either from doing less frequent shots the only issue I get is the more spaced out my shots are the more acne I get, it doesn't seem to be a big deal when I'm just on a trt dose but if I'm running like 400 mg of testosterone or more and I do a once weekly injection I'll start breaking out on my back and shoulders. I have noticed that over the past 2 years the breakouts are less intense or less bad I should say than they used to be but still nonetheless the more frequent my injection schedule is the less back acne pops up. The last little cycle I did 300 test 300 EQ I bumped up to 450 each then back down to 300 each and added oral Winnie at 50 mg a day, I pinned every single day for that cycle and I had maybe one or two zits the whole time. I stop pinning about 8 to 10 days ago or something like that and I'm starting to get little pimples popping up on my shoulders around my traps, I even got one in the middle of my ass cheek that was super annoying LOL.

Oh, luckily for me I never had an issue with acne and barely had any as a teen either, but I do understand that it can be an issue for some and I would probably do the same if it was like that for me. Good for you that you found a way around it.

 

[Mikereyn513]

I've never had a problem with acne either. The only time I ever did was during high school football because of my helmet obviously not on gear. The only thing I gotta worry about really is gyno and a libido that's outta control lol

 

[Smont]

I've never had a problem with acne either. The only time I ever did was during high school football because of my helmet obviously not on gear. The only thing I gotta worry about really is gyno and a libido that's outta control lol

It's weird, I always had a very high libido, but no gear I've ever ran has had a positive or negative effect on it. It always just stays the same for the most part. Trestolone didn't really change it either but I noticed I was more agressive during on trest and I wake up horny in the middle of the night more. But still wasn't a huge difference

 

[Mikereyn513]

It's weird, I always had a very high libido, but no gear I've ever ran has had a positive or negative effect on it. It always just stays the same for the most part. Trestolone didn't really change it either but I noticed I was more agressive during on trest and I wake up horny in the middle of the night more. But still wasn't a huge difference

I think it's the combination of finally being completely clean off of drugs and alcohol for multiple years on top of the anxiety the few months before my wife died and coming out of the depression of it now ( she died in March of 2021) on top of being back on large amounts of gear

 

[BBiceps]

I think it's the combination of finally being completely clean off of drugs and alcohol for multiple years on top of the anxiety the few months before my wife died and coming out of the depression of it now ( she died in March of 2021) on top of being back on large amounts of gear

Sorry about your loss…

 

[Mikereyn513]

It's weird, I always had a very high libido, but no gear I've ever ran has had a positive or negative effect on it. It always just stays the same for the most part. Trestolone didn't really change it either but I noticed I was more agressive during on trest and I wake up horny in the middle of the night more. But still wasn't a huge difference

I think it's the combination of finally being completely clean off of drugs and alcohol for multiple years on top of the anxiety the few months before my wife died and coming out of the depression of it now ( she died in March of 2021) on top of being back on large amounts of gear

Sorry about your loss…

Thanks bro tbh the gym is what keeps me going

 

[Smont]

I think it's the combination of finally being completely clean off of drugs and alcohol for multiple years on top of the anxiety the few months before my wife died and coming out of the depression of it now ( she died in March of 2021) on top of being back on large amounts of gear

Thanks bro tbh the gym is what keeps me going

Oh boy, I forgot all about that. I know that's not something you ever get over but I'm glad you're feeling a little better. A friend of mine got married a few years back, in one year they got married bought a house got a puppy and then she got stage four cancer at like 31 years old and was gone in a matter of months. Sometimes I see this guy and he's got a smile on his face and he acts like nothing's wrong and it blows my mind cuz I can only imagine how that must feel.

 

[Mikereyn513]

Oh boy, I forgot all about that. I know that's not something you ever get over but I'm glad you're feeling a little better. A friend of mine got married a few years back, in one year they got married bought a house got a puppy and then she got stage four cancer at like 31 years old and was gone in a matter of months. Sometimes I see this guy and he's got a smile on his face and he acts like nothing's wrong and it blows my mind cuz I can only imagine how that must feel.

Sane thing kinda happened to us. I finally got my **** together she started going to the VA to deal with her ptsd I move out to Michigan in 2017 house dogs good job and 3 years later she gets really sick I cant deal with it start using and bam she's gone. It's funny we met in the gym in 2010. And right after she passed its the first thing I thought of. Like she was telling me go back to the gym babe it's your safe space