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Skezzy said:
Yea he was saying was for my balls spot on man! You reckon it would be worth getting aswell? Cheers for the answers man
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I've never used HCG myself and this is a bit abnormal situation, so I don't really have a strong opinion on that. HCG is many times used before/in conjunction with a SERM, when trying to restart hormone production. I would personally just rely on the Clomid to raise LH and see if things start to fire up again. But hopefully others will chime in as well.
 
I don't think you'll need hcg with such minimal exposure like @Hyde Said but with the way your body wants no part of using gear you never know. I feel bad for you bro but atleast now you know that the dark side of the force isn't for you and looking on the good side it will save you from a lot of stress and save you TONS of money lol
 
My testes actually have shrunk not alot but but defenitly not the size they were they just seem the shrivle up alot, from what ive reasearched hcg seems to have similar effects as clomid just stronger if im not mistaking. But ill run clomid for three months like @Hyde said and see where i go from there maybe tie in the hcg if seeing no improvements. @Mikereyn513 mate if only you knew ive just been cursed with bad luck my whole life its beyond crazy at this stage..I blame it on being born on friday the 13th lol
 
Skezzy said:
My testes actually have shrunk not alot but but defenitly not the size they were they just seem the shrivle up alot, from what ive reasearched hcg seems to have similar effects as clomid just stronger if im not mistaking. But ill run clomid for three months like @Hyde said and see where i go from there maybe tie in the hcg if seeing no improvements. @Mikereyn513 mate if only you knew ive just been cursed with bad luck my whole life its beyond crazy at this stage..I blame it on being born on friday the 13th lol
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No, you don’t want to combine them at once. If you are going to use HCG effectively, it must be done prior to SERM therapy.

HCG will directly signal the testes to produce testosterone, totally bypassing the HPTA. It’s direct marching orders for your nutsack to get to work. This forced march whips them back into fighting shape from beginning to pump out natural testosterone again, which plumps them back up. BUT, HCG is actually suppressive to the HPTA in the same sense that steroids are. When the brain sees sufficient estrogen already present (from the testosterone the HCG is forcing your testes to produce), it will see no reason to create Leutenizing Hormone (LH) for now because it believes testosterone levels are sufficient based on the feedback it’s getting.

A SERM like Clomid fakes the brain into believing testosterone is low, regardless of conditions, so the pituitary gland begins cranking out LH, which signal your testes to produce testosterone. If your testes are too atrophied, just like a weak muscle, they will have a harder time doing this even though they have their orders. That is why HCG is used after many longer or more intense steroid cycles where the testicles spend so much time off duty that they begin to atrophy.

I personally believe going immediately with Clomid will be sufficient, unless your testes seem closer to raisins than grapes. But stacking HCG with Clomid at the same time will render the Clomid useless and just increase estrogenic side effects.
 
Skezzy said:
My testes actually have shrunk not alot but but defenitly not the size they were they just seem the shrivle up alot, from what ive reasearched hcg seems to have similar effects as clomid just stronger if im not mistaking. But ill run clomid for three months like @Hyde said and see where i go from there maybe tie in the hcg if seeing no improvements. @Mikereyn513 mate if only you knew ive just been cursed with bad luck my whole life its beyond crazy at this stage..I blame it on being born on friday the 13th lol
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Hmm...my 18th birthday was on Friday the 13th maybe that's why my adult life has been one disaster after another?
 
@Hyde i get what you mean bro, ill start the clomid by itself then and go from there with the dosage you stated cheers man. Just another quick one lets say all this has affected my fertility do you know of fertility coming back or getting better the more someone heals? Im gonna go get a test after im done with clomid and see where im at no point now im thinking ..
 
Skezzy said:
@Hyde i get what you mean bro, ill start the clomid by itself then and go from there with the dosage you stated cheers man. Just another quick one lets say all this has affected my fertility do you know of fertility coming back or getting better the more someone heals? Im gonna go get a test after im done with clomid and see where im at no point now im thinking ..
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Fertility can absolutely improve; sperm production takes several months, so the loads you’re firing now were made several months back. So take your Clomid for 2-3 months and the sperm you generate during that time will be much greater in number and likely motility/strength coming down the line.

FSH is the hormone that drives sperm production btw, and Clomid will raise this significantly.
 
Hyde said:
Fertility can absolutely improve; sperm production takes several months, so the loads you’re firing now were made several months back. So take your Clomid for 2-3 months and the sperm you generate during that time will be much greater in number and likely motility/strength coming down the line.

FSH is the hormone that drives sperm production btw, and Clomid will raise this significantly.
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Just adding on to Hyde's post
Fsh also plays a role in signaling the balls to produce testosterone.

So without seeing total or free t we might have to assume that you have low test and your not getting the signal to produce more.

Basically with the information provided I'd say run another pct. Low dose like 25mg clomid for a extended period of time.
 
@Skezzy FYI, there was some talk about Clomid and sexual performace on another thread and thought could be useful info for you:

"While I’m on Clomid I can never stay very hard, nor do I have any drive for sex. It’s a good t-booster but awful for virility."

Now, that's nothing to get discouraged for and the Clomid is a good choice for course of action, just to keep in mind, that while Clomid helps bringing hormone levels up, it can have a temporary negative effect on sexual performance or desire. So it could kind of mask it's effectiveness while being used, what comes to sexual performance. And not everyone gets these negative effects on Clomid.
 
Yeah it’s probably the best drug for your longterm recovery, but don’t expect to feel all horny while using it. The way it acts like an estrogen can be temporarily impacting for some. But it’s a good longterm play to get your mojo back.
 
Yea i get what use mean, probably will be the end of the clomid cycle before i see physical results? Ill run it for 2-3 months and hopefully should sort things out! Thanks for the help lads very much appreciated use have helped me more then any doctor haha! Do use know a good website that use have used or heard of that sells clomid i was told about swisschem but i guess if use have got a website use could vouch for i may aswell get them off there.
 
Swisschems is a brand I’ve basically always heard decent reports on.

We aren’t allowed to share sources/sites, but if you get that brand it’s likely going to be g2g.
 
Skezzy said:
Yea i get what use mean, probably will be the end of the clomid cycle before i see physical results? Ill run it for 2-3 months and hopefully should sort things out! Thanks for the help lads very much appreciated use have helped me more then any doctor haha! Do use know a good website that use have used or heard of that sells clomid i was told about swisschem but i guess if use have got a website use could vouch for i may aswell get them off there.
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@Smont Doesn't have any? I thought I saw it on Mike's website last time I was on
 
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Sup guys just dropping in, So im just after doing 3 and half months of clomid, cumshots have improved definitely! For everything else not so much still cant hold an erection, no morning wood ever and still never in the mood for sex! I am just over a year now since ive taken the tbol for few days, just seems crazy that im still suffering. Im thinking about getting on TRT? Only thing being is id like to have children in a few years, would TRT destroy my fertility?(If its not already destroyed)
 
Skezzy said:
Sup guys just dropping in, So im just after doing 3 and half months of clomid, cumshots have improved definitely! For everything else not so much still cant hold an erection, no morning wood ever and still never in the mood for sex! I am just over a year now since ive taken the tbol for few days, just seems crazy that im still suffering. Im thinking about getting on TRT? Only thing being is id like to have children in a few years, would TRT destroy my fertility?(If its not already destroyed)
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All questions for a Dr. To answer
 
Smont said:
All questions for a Dr. To answer
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This. It's time for you to get off the internet and go over your issues and blood work with your doctor. You should not be jumping to the conclusion of putting yourself on TRT in your early 20s because your desire for sex feels low to you.

BTW I have nothing against TRT. I'm sure I'll be on it someday. Just not sure I agree with this trend of everyone rushing to get on TRT younger and younger.
 
Hyde said:
So far, all the details you’ve provided indicate that taking that Tbol for a week took your pituitary production right offline, and it just never fired back up very well.
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Is that a major outlier for someone to see such a major reaction after only 1 week?
I do find it kind of curious that his diminished libido could only fire off two loads a day. I mean I understand wanting to go 6 or 8 times, maybe I just work too much to be disappointed with 2 a days.

Smont said:
Post your most current bloodwork
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curious to see this too.

I'm also curious if things are improving a little, to know more about the dudes actual physical health and lifting protocol outside of bloodwork.

Skezzy said:
For everything else not so much still cant hold an erection, no morning wood ever and still never in the mood for sex!
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@sns8778 weren't you and I chatting about someone with similar reaction to something else recently? You said he recovered, maybe you have suggestions as well?



I totally understand the hormonal issues at play but I spent my first 40 years essentially natty with interesting swings in libido. Only once did I ever not rise to the occasion, my wife and I took a nap instead then woke up and went three times lol. So I'm curious about external influences. is the dude fit? cardio? stress? wife/porn/gf (or 2?), business ? nothing hit my libido harder in my life than running two businesses simultaneously working around the clock commuting 3,000 miles a month and splitting time between three cities for a years. I was lifting regularly maintaining 10% BF but as much as I love sex, it was more like a duty to my wife as a husband that I had to rally for because I was just FREAKING EXHAUSTED for a year of no sleep.
 
Dustin07 said:
Is that a major outlier for someone to see such a major reaction after only 1 week?
I do find it kind of curious that his diminished libido could only fire off two loads a day. I mean I understand wanting to go 6 or 8 times, maybe I just work too much to be disappointed with 2 a days.


curious to see this too.

I'm also curious if things are improving a little, to know more about the dudes actual physical health and lifting protocol outside of bloodwork.



@sns8778 weren't you and I chatting about someone with similar reaction to something else recently? You said he recovered, maybe you have suggestions as well?



I totally understand the hormonal issues at play but I spent my first 40 years essentially natty with interesting swings in libido. Only once did I ever not rise to the occasion, my wife and I took a nap instead then woke up and went three times lol. So I'm curious about external influences. is the dude fit? cardio? stress? wife/porn/gf (or 2?), business ? nothing hit my libido harder in my life than running two businesses simultaneously working around the clock commuting 3,000 miles a month and splitting time between three cities for a years. I was lifting regularly maintaining 10% BF but as much as I love sex, it was more like a duty to my wife as a husband that I had to rally for because I was just FREAKING EXHAUSTED for a year of no sleep.
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That would definitely be a extreme outlier
 
Dustin07 said:
@sns8778 weren't you and I chatting about someone with similar reaction to something else recently? You said he recovered, maybe you have suggestions as well?
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It does seem very similar to what we were discussing - same symptoms, but to a different substance.

I've known several people in situations like this, but my suggestions would be for supplements that worked for the people I've known and worked with in these situations, and I rarely post in the Anabolics section here because so many in this section are anti-supplement or dismissive of supplements, no matter how good and useful they would be.

I don't mind people being skeptical or dismissive, I just hate it that it seems like at least half the time I've posted in this section in the past, some people have felt the need to be rude and try to start an argument with me for just trying to be helpful.

Supplement wise, the best way to target this always depends on what the person took, the effect it had on them, and how they're feeling now and what their goal is.

I do think that in this situation, he should definitely try other options rather than even thinking about starting TRT at his age.

Supplement wise in this situation, I would suggest something like Optimize-T and Anabolic XT. For people with high estradiol levels, they could go with Cloma-Plex over Anabolic XT if estrogen seemed to be the culprit, but in this case I would go with Anabolic XT and Optimize-T. They would help target the issue from a variety of different angles.

I believe I read that he is in Ireland - we do ship to Ireland and anyone ordering from the different brands internationally should contact me and I'll do combined shipping for them so they don't have to order from both sites. Or I'm pretty sure Unreal Supps in the UK ships to Ireland and they have great prices too.
 
Hyde said:
We’ll see what bloods say, but 5 days of Turinabol is EXTREMELY trivial, so I’m currently wondering if you are in your head about all of this. Erectile function is very much impacted by performance anxiety - if you think you have a problem or aren’t meeting expectations, you will literally soften your noodle even worse, in a vicious cycle.

Tbol is such a safe drug, women have used it for decades. I would never advise this for a woman, but this guy didn’t do you dirty or steer you wrong - he gave you a truly beginner cycle with appropriate doses & precautions (you don’t need anything to safely eat a few tabs of Turinabol per day).
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Get some viagra or cialis it's good to have on hand if your going to use steroids and don't buy some random pills you really have no clue what they are. Do some real research online and you'll find a trusted source
 
@Smont I have been to the doctors countless of times over this last year, i do research on this stuff nearly every night, I just want to find out as much as i can ,these forms do help.But the doctors have been a nightmare once they heard i took steroids they started acting like theres not much they can do. because my test is fine they dont see it as a serious matter just tell me to see what the urologist says? To me its clear as day though if my FSH and LH are both completely shot obviously thats the problem but they dont care about that still try say it could be in my head, just annoying asf man
 
Skezzy said:
@Smont I have been to the doctors countless of times over this last year, i do research on this stuff nearly every night, I just want to find out as much as i can ,these forms do help.But the doctors have been a nightmare once they heard i took steroids they started acting like theres not much they can do. because my test is fine they dont see it as a serious matter just tell me to see what the urologist says? To me its clear as day though if my FSH and LH are both completely shot obviously thats the problem but they dont care about that still try say it could be in my head, just annoying asf man
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So go to a urologist. That is who will prescribe you test if that’s what you’re after.
 
Skezzy said:
@Smont I have been to the doctors countless of times over this last year, i do research on this stuff nearly every night, I just want to find out as much as i can ,these forms do help.But the doctors have been a nightmare once they heard i took steroids they started acting like theres not much they can do. because my test is fine they dont see it as a serious matter just tell me to see what the urologist says? To me its clear as day though if my FSH and LH are both completely shot obviously thats the problem but they dont care about that still try say it could be in my head, just annoying asf man
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Unfortunately many DR. Do this, they hear steroids and they refuse to do anything and if something goes wrong they blame it on steroids. I actually had a guy tell me the other day that his Dr. Said his high BP is probably from his protein shakes 😳

But he's a Dr. So he must be right lol
 
Smont said:
Unfortunately many DR. Do this, they hear steroids and they refuse to do anything and if something goes wrong they blame it on steroids. I actually had a guy tell me the other day that his Dr. Said his high BP is probably from his protein shakes 😳

But he's a Dr. So he must be right lol
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My wife's new doc told her if she's not losing weight she should just fast for a week.
Not IF.
Fast. don't eat. just stop eating. his solution was no more food. ever. 😅😅
but if she MUST eat, she should ONLY eat beef.

he did blood work and didn't even check a 50yr old woman's estrogen.
 
Dustin07 said:
My wife's new doc told her if she's not losing weight she should just fast for a week.
Not IF.
Fast. don't eat. just stop eating. his solution was no more food. ever. 😅😅
but if she MUST eat, she should ONLY eat beef.

he did blood work and didn't even check a 50yr old woman's estrogen.
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That's insane lol
 
I would never follow diet advice from a regular Dr.

Ppl forget that a dr. Usually specializes in 1 or 2 things ant the rest they just get a basic overview of. Your typical dr. Doesn't know any more about nutrition than a lawyer or a School teacher
 
Smont said:
I would never follow diet advice from a regular Dr.

Ppl forget that a dr. Usually specializes in 1 or 2 things ant the rest they just get a basic overview of. Your typical dr. Doesn't know any more about nutrition than a lawyer or a School teacher
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so this MD opened his own practice to specialize in nutrition and weightloss lol. that's why my wife checked it out 😅
now if she complains about the scale I just say hey, the doctor told you to stop eating. that's on you babe.
 
Dustin07 said:
so this MD opened his own practice to specialize in nutrition and weightloss lol. that's why my wife checked it out 😅
now if she complains about the scale I just say hey, the doctor told you to stop eating. that's on you babe.
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So he's a Dr. Who's big into carnivore and extended fasting protocols?
 
Well, if you starve for extended periods of time and only eat meat and vegetables you will definitely loose weight
 
Yea i did im waiting to go back again, but i just feel he was useless, might go try a new urologist they’re just pain to get here in Ireland
 
Smont said:
So he's a Dr. Who's big into carnivore and extended fasting protocols?
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yeah the things he says are based in things that I actually agree with but taken to weird extremes. on the other side of that coin her told her to stop eating fast food, sugars, etc (we cook 90% of our meals and never eat fast food lol). I think he has a lot of success with non athletes who are 80lbs overweight, rather than athletes who are struggling with the last 10lbs.

Skezzy said:
Yea i did im waiting to go back again, but i just feel he was useless, might go try a new urologist they’re just pain to get here in Ireland
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keep the ball in motion, maybe get a second opinion from a different regular doctor, see if you can get a referral to a urologist from doc? IDK how it works on your side of the ocean...
 
Dustin07 said:
so this MD opened his own practice to specialize in nutrition and weightloss lol. that's why my wife checked it out
now if she complains about the scale I just say hey, the doctor told you to stop eating. that's on you babe.
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In his defense, it will absolutely work. She’ll burn off several lbs of fat and increase her insulin sensitivity for when she returns to food.

But let me tell you, that is a long tough week. And I feel like more than 3 days at a time things kind of diminish. You get pretty significant autophagy in that time, still get some flab off, and it’s not so radical/disruptive. You can kind of work it into a deload week. A full week means so training, no energy, no fun in life
 
Hyde said:
In his defense, it will absolutely work. She’ll burn off several lbs of fat and increase her insulin sensitivity for when she returns to food.

But let me tell you, that is a long tough week. And I feel like more than 3 days at a time things kind of diminish. You get pretty significant autophagy in that time, still get some flab off, and it’s not so radical/disruptive. You can kind of work it into a deload week. A full week means so training, no energy, no fun in life
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oh I don't doubt it and I highly encourage any man here to tell his wife she can't eat for a week and please report back the results to me on how that goes 😅😅
 
Dustin07 said:
My wife's new doc told her if she's not losing weight she should just fast for a week.
Not IF.
Fast. don't eat. just stop eating. his solution was no more food. ever. 😅😅
but if she MUST eat, she should ONLY eat beef.

he did blood work and didn't even check a 50yr old woman's estrogen.
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For your wife's doc👇
 

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