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Fusion 11 OXO

Suthers100

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Hi Guys, done a lot of research but get mixed reviews on running low quantity of 11-OXO. What do people think.. I'm currently only running 150mg a day (4 days in), am I going to see results in a 3 week cycle? Im 36 15 years worth of training, 5.9 and 83kg, and I'm looking to tone up mid section a bit. In a cut at the moment so V high protein and only 2000cals a day. Many Thanks
 
my thoughts no .. i think its pointless .. 2 things which i feel your both doing wrong

1. low dose
2. short cycle of it.

what i would do ( i never suggest anyone to do but others can chime in their thougths to )

i would stop right now and save it for 5-6 cycle of 300-450mg .. i know pple here who wouldnt do less then 500mg lol .. but i would assume you are new and don't want to, which is perfectly fine.

lastly .. i assume you are eating under maint if your counting calories .. thats all you need bro .. you dont need to add any sups, stick with , track your gains and revisit supplements 4-6 weeks later.
 
Thanks for the reply much appreciated. I'm actually a teacher (PE) so I'm trying a low amount as I really don't want to affect my sleeping or mood. I've been on a cut for 6 weeks now and although I can get great definition on my shoulders, chest and arms I just can't shift the bottom of my stomach and lower back! I'm happy to do a longer cycle and up the dose, if need be. Although as you said if I'm literally peeing away my money ill stop and just train even harder (if that's possible, think I'm actually over training 4 HIT weight sessions a week and 2 spin classes). Thanks
 
Suthers100 said:
Thanks for the reply much appreciated. I'm actually a teacher (PE) so I'm trying a low amount as I really don't want to affect my sleeping or mood. I've been on a cut for 6 weeks now and although I can get great definition on my shoulders, chest and arms I just can't shift the bottom of my stomach and lower back! I'm happy to do a longer cycle and up the dose, if need be. Although as you said if I'm literally peeing away my money ill stop and just train even harder (if that's possible, think I'm actually over training 4 HIT weight sessions a week and 2 spin classes). Thanks
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yeah thats the most stubborn fat aka jelly roll is hardest to get rid of .. keep doing your training and diet on point.

Save 11oxo for later and can actually look into transdermal fat burners and use it in the area's you want to lose fat

just keep in mind, this or anything wont replace diet .. most people will complaint stuff doesnt work, althought i do agree some supplements work for some and not others.

Natural fat burners : https://www.dpsnutrition.net/i/29357/xtreme-performance-gels-ab-solved-suppress-c.htm

other one i have heard is nutrex lipo6, i like ab solved better but you can get nutrex stuff sometimes cheap

best of luck.
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
my thoughts no .. i think its pointless .. 2 things which i feel your both doing wrong

1. low dose
2. short cycle of it.

what i would do ( i never suggest anyone to do but others can chime in their thougths to )

i would stop right now and save it for 5-6 cycle of 300-450mg .. i know pple here who wouldnt do less then 500mg lol .. but i would assume you are new and don't want to, which is perfectly fine.

lastly .. i assume you are eating under maint if your counting calories .. thats all you need bro .. you dont need to add any sups, stick with , track your gains and revisit supplements 4-6 weeks later.
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I was going to say 600mg is a good starting point
 
Hi there, if I went to 600 how long would you run that for? And would that then require, support and a pct? Thanks
 
at that point, 11-keto would be more effective and likely cheaper. 11-OXO is the pro hormone to 11-keto

look into either iron legion XI-KT or Iconic Formulations Ultra Eleven - transdermal delivery is going to be much more efficient and 11-keto is going to be much more potent.
 
If its Fusion 11-oxo from predator, i ran 750mg for 5 weeks, did sod all, had a clean diet and trained above normal, however i tried 11 oxo from another supplier and ran a 8 week at 600mg a day, gained 6lb muscle, fat went down from 14% to 10%..
Got a feeling predator nutrition had my pants down..
 
Hi, yes it is from fusion. Did you get any sides at that level? I’ve heard a few people saying that predator stuff is rubbish.. seems to be brawn stuff is way better?
 
Purplekitten said:
If its Fusion 11-oxo from predator, i ran 750mg for 5 weeks, did sod all, had a clean diet and trained above normal, however i tried 11 oxo from another supplier and ran a 8 week at 600mg a day, gained 6lb muscle, fat went down from 14% to 10%..
Got a feeling predator nutrition had my pants down..
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Well you wouldn't be the first one to get screwed by Pred. Haven't heard anything bad in awhile though. But also the gaining of 6 lbs, while decreasing BF with 600 mg of 11-oxo makes me wonder, if it really was 11-oxo, or something else..
 
KvanH said:
Well you wouldn't be the first one to get screwed by Pred. Haven't heard anything bad in awhile though. But also the gaining of 6 lbs, while decreasing BF with 600 mg of 11-oxo makes me wonder, if it really was 11-oxo, or something else..
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sounds like epistane
 
johnny412 said:
sounds like epistane
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Yeah, i was surprised, my diet was spot on with 60g protein 40g carb and 10g fat nearly every 5 meals, with 5 gram Bcaas between every meal, i abstained from alcohol..
I am 53 years old and my testosterone is not what it used to be so maybe the 11-oxo boost hit the spot, however i do have Adhd and at my age take Ritalin as a medication and lets just say that maybe with this coupled with a decent preworkout drink gave me the mindset to smash the gym session every time with all sets trained to 15 reps and 40 sets performed for most body parts.
The medication has always helped with giving me an aggressive metabolism so maybe the 11-oxo helped lower my cortisol that the Ritalin raises, however overall in the periods that i took the 11-oxo i felt no side effects whatsoever and godlike..
 
Purplekitten said:
Yeah, i was surprised, my diet was spot on with 60g protein 40g carb and 10g fat nearly every 5 meals, with 5 gram Bcaas between every meal, i abstained from alcohol..
I am 53 years old and my testosterone is not what it used to be so maybe the 11-oxo boost hit the spot, however i do have Adhd and at my age take Ritalin as a medication and lets just say that maybe with this coupled with a decent preworkout drink gave me the mindset to smash the gym session every time with all sets trained to 15 reps and 40 sets performed for most body parts.
The medication has always helped with giving me an aggressive metabolism so maybe the 11-oxo helped lower my cortisol that the Ritalin raises, however overall in the periods that i took the 11-oxo i felt no side effects whatsoever and godlike..
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who was the suppplier of the good 11-oxo?
 
It was 11-Andro made by Brawn, (Androst-4-ene-3,11,17 trione) sold by Powermyself supplements in Alfreton Derbyshire.
Oh incidentally I also gave that Androtest by Fusion a crack, didn't see any noticeable changes at all.
 
Purplekitten said:
It was 11-Andro made by Brawn, (Androst-4-ene-3,11,17 trione) sold by Powermyself supplements in Alfreton Derbyshire.
Oh incidentally I also gave that Androtest by Fusion a crack, didn't see any noticeable changes at all.
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Well Androtest is best utilized as something to bring a little test and estrogen conversion, when running suppressive stuff. I imagine you'd have to take a sh1t ton (especially £ wise), to see some gains from Androtest alone.

Btw, I also ran Brawn 11-Andro at 600 mg a day, but it was a part of a stack. Did not get nearly as great results, as you and it wasn't even the strongest compound in the stack, I estimate. Your results on something so mild, as 11-oxo really blows my mind. But that's awesome and well done.
 
KvanH said:
Well Androtest is best utilized as something to bring a little test and estrogen conversion, when running suppressive stuff. I imagine you'd have to take a sh1t ton (especially £ wise), to see some gains from Androtest alone.

Btw, I also ran Brawn 11-Andro at 600 mg a day, but it was a part of a stack. Did not get nearly as great results, as you and it wasn't even the strongest compound in the stack, I estimate. Your results on something so mild, as 11-oxo really blows my mind. But that's awesome and well done.
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Yes I agree I used androtest for about 4 weeks didnt notice much. I then added Nanodrol (M-Sten) which resulted in an insane strength increase and 10 plus pounds on the scale most of which is prob water and glycogen but I know some of it is muscle and none is fat.

10 to 12 pounds up and noticeably leaner
 
Just a little update, After 3 days I thought for the sake of it I would just do the 300M that fusion recommended. Over 2 weeks now and I can honestly say that literally nothing as happened. Guessing the product is either dud or you need to take way more than recommended. Strength is the same, weight is up slightly around 0.5Kg but I fluctuate around 82-84kg all year so no shock. Bench still 1 rep max still 140kg, deadlift and squat stayed the same also. So yeah my review so far is 0/10, literally a waste of time. Shall I up the dose or just stop? Or get some from a different supplier as people have mentioned?

Many Thanks,
J
 
Suthers100 said:
Just a little update, After 3 days I thought for the sake of it I would just do the 300M that fusion recommended. Over 2 weeks now and I can honestly say that literally nothing as happened. Guessing the product is either dud or you need to take way more than recommended. Strength is the same, weight is up slightly around 0.5Kg but I fluctuate around 82-84kg all year so no shock. Bench still 1 rep max still 140kg, deadlift and squat stayed the same also. So yeah my review so far is 0/10, literally a waste of time. Shall I up the dose or just stop? Or get some from a different supplier as people have mentioned?

Many Thanks,
J
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dude...seriously...tf? 11 oxo is NOT going to give you any kind of strength gains. so yeah your strength is gonna be the same lol. its more for helping you retain muscle while cutting. and it is VERY mild! you arent gonna take a bunch of it for 2 or 3 weeks and feel anything. its just not that type of compound
 
Hi Johnny, thanks for that. I am on a cut, so my bad thinking I'd see any sort of strength gains, I did a methdrol cycle around 5 years ago and strength went through the roof so thought id get some (all be it a small amount). But as I said, I've noticed literally nothing. No change to anything. Thought it would help preserve muscle and burn some fat during my cut but seeing 0 results.
 
First of all it's too early to tell. Second, your dose is way too low. 600 mg is what many consider the minimun effective dose. Like johnny mentioned 11-oxo is not known for strenght increase, but with a proper dose you could see some of that aswell. But if cutting hard, that may eat up any potential strenght increase.
 
Suthers100 said:
Hi Johnny, thanks for that. I am on a cut, so my bad thinking I'd see any sort of strength gains, I did a methdrol cycle around 5 years ago and strength went through the roof so thought id get some (all be it a small amount). But as I said, I've noticed literally nothing. No change to anything. Thought it would help preserve muscle and burn some fat during my cut but seeing 0 results.
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like i said you arent gonna notice much (if anything) with it. maybe stack it with something. maybe try some hit cardio with it. nothing that comes in a bottle will outshine hard work. it will just assist it...
edit: i stacked it with something years ago i cant remember for sure but maybe epistane? did my weight sessions and jumped rope for cardio after every session and got in the best shape of my life.
 
Purplekitten said:
If its Fusion 11-oxo from predator, i ran 750mg for 5 weeks, did sod all, had a clean diet and trained above normal, however i tried 11 oxo from another supplier and ran a 8 week at 600mg a day, gained 6lb muscle, fat went down from 14% to 10%..
Got a feeling predator nutrition had my pants down..
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Which brand did you use at 600mg? Edit seen the Brawn comment
 
tstrogo93 said:
Yes I agree I used androtest for about 4 weeks didnt notice much. I then added Nanodrol (M-Sten) which resulted in an insane strength increase and 10 plus pounds on the scale most of which is prob water and glycogen but I know some of it is muscle and none is fat.

10 to 12 pounds up and noticeably leaner
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I’ve seen Nanodrol and it’s a bit pricey...

How are the sides on Nanodrol? Have you used standard capsule Msten to compare?
 
AndroRage said:
I’ve seen Nanodrol and it’s a bit pricey...

How are the sides on Nanodrol? Have you used standard capsule Msten to compare?
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I havent used anything to compare tbh this was my first ph cycle ever lol
I will say the pumps and fullness was absolutely insane
def some lethargy twoard the end
In terms of performance and recovery I literally felt like anything was possible on any given day
toward the end it was weird tho my lethargy was throughout the day but once I got to the gym and moving it was back to hitting prs every time
 
tstrogo93 said:
I havent used anything to compare tbh this was my first ph cycle ever lol
I will say the pumps and fullness was absolutely insane
def some lethargy twoard the end
In terms of performance and recovery I literally felt like anything was possible on any given day
toward the end it was weird tho my lethargy was throughout the day but once I got to the gym and moving it was back to hitting prs every time
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How long did you run the Msten for? We’re you still using the test base?
 
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