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Eggs whites post workout

Stopstalking2

Stopstalking2

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I always mix my post workout whey isolate (isomorph 28 from APS) with 8oz egg white.

do the egg whites effect the quick digestion of the whey ?
 
No, but uncooked egg whites actually have pretty low bioavailability. If you are getting them in a carton (not straining your own eggs) they’re pasteurized so they’re safe to drink routinely, but you’re not actually getting all of the protein the label would indicate.
 
Power-Lift said:
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thanks for being helpful idiot.
Hyde said:
No, but uncooked egg whites actually have pretty low bioavailability. If you are getting them in a carton (not straining your own eggs) they’re pasteurized so they’re safe to drink routinely, but you’re not actually getting all of the protein the label would indicate.
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I did not know this. I get them from muscle eggs buy them by the gallon
 
I wonder what is lost the pasturization process of egg whites. no it won't slow down other proteins, but it is supposed to deplete biotin. and yolks have biotin. I'd suggest switching to whole eggs and use the yolk.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
thanks for being helpful idiot.



I did not know this. I get them from muscle eggs buy them by the gallon
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I never heard of this muscle eggs brand, but I love that they have whole egg powder. Can the whole egg and white powders be eaten just as is like a protein shake?
 
SBH said:
True but whole eggs are a more complete protein. Would be a problem when cutting I suppose.
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You want to avoid fat into pre and post workout meals at all cost. It needs to be absorbed asap and there’s no need for fat in there. It’s actually very detrimental to the whole idea of a post and pre workout meal.
 
Mathb33 said:
You want to avoid fat into pre and post workout meals at all cost. It needs to be absorbed asap and there’s no need for fat in there. It’s actually very detrimental to the whole idea of a post and pre workout meal.
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This👆

Im sure someone will argue against it and bring up some study but there's a reason every high level successful bodybuilder avoids fat around the workouts, it's counter productive. Especially if your on gear. Peri workout nutrition, especially with insulin response becomes more important on gear.
 
Yeah, I stepped out of my lane. My goals are far different from bodybuilders. Eggs white still suck tho. :D
 
Stopstalking2 said:
I did not know this. I get them from muscle eggs buy them by the gallon
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They make a delicious product, had them at many expos, but it’s just not optimal. They’re taking advantage of the average lifter’s knowledge that egg protein is a tremendously bioavailability and quality protein source - but not everyone knows they must be cooked. Also, if you begin to overcook and burn the eggs the protein begins to degrade and amino content availability reverses backwards again. So don’t cook them into oblivion; just turn them white.

Google it and you’ll find the studies right away.

I believe any cooking/heating improves availability, so pasteurization may truly be better than clear from the shell, but the study didn’t test pasteurized wipes, only raw egg white.

Kronic said:
I wonder what is lost the pasturization process of egg whites. no it won't slow down other proteins, but it is supposed to deplete biotin. and yolks have biotin. I'd suggest switching to whole eggs and use the yolk.
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Egg whites alone will indeed lower biotin, but a biotin supplement is like $3 on Swanson or similar, so if they’re a staple of the diet it’s easy to prevent biotin deficiency.

Compare that to the huge quantities of cholesterol (and calories) a normal lifter will consume just eating a traditional 5-6 egg meal once a day, and it may not be the right fit for everyone.

Whole eggs routinely in my diet do a serious number on my LDL, which I can’t afford in conjunction with my AAS use.

GreenMachineX said:
I never heard of this muscle eggs brand, but I love that they have whole egg powder. Can the whole egg and white powders be eaten just as is like a protein shake?
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Whole egg powder has been cooked, and an awesome source of protein if you digest it well.

SBH said:
True but whole eggs are a more complete protein. Would be a problem when cutting I suppose.
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All of the protein effectively comes from the white; you don’t need the yolk for anything but the fat and micronutrients.
 
Stopstalking2 said:
I did not know this. I get them from muscle eggs buy them by the gallon
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They make a delicious product, had them at many expos, but it’s just not optimal. They’re taking advantage of the average lifter’s knowledge that egg protein is a tremendously bioavailability and quality protein source - but not everyone knows they must be cooked. Also, if you begin to overcook and burn the eggs the protein begins to degrade and amino content availability reverses backwards again. So don’t cook them into oblivion; just turn them white.

Google it and you’ll find the studies right away.

I believe any cooking/heating improves availability, so pasteurization may truly be better than clear from the shell, but the study didn’t test pasteurized wipes, only raw egg white.

Kronic said:
I wonder what is lost the pasturization process of egg whites. no it won't slow down other proteins, but it is supposed to deplete biotin. and yolks have biotin. I'd suggest switching to whole eggs and use the yolk.
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Egg whites alone will indeed lower biotin, but a biotin supplement is like $3 on Swanson or similar, so if they’re a staple of the diet it’s easy to prevent biotin deficiency.

Compare that to the huge quantities of cholesterol (and calories) a normal lifter will consume just eating a traditional 5-6 egg meal once a day, and it may not be the right fit for everyone.

Whole eggs routinely in my diet do a serious number on my LDL, which I can’t afford in conjunction with my AAS use.

GreenMachineX said:
I never heard of this muscle eggs brand, but I love that they have whole egg powder. Can the whole egg and white powders be eaten just as is like a protein shake?
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Whole egg powder has been cooked, and an awesome source of protein if you digest it well.

SBH said:
True but whole eggs are a more complete protein. Would be a problem when cutting I suppose.
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All of the protein effectively comes from the white; you don’t need the yolk for anything but the fat and micronutrients.
 
I went down a whole rabbit hole with egg whites some years back. When I met my wife she was doing a half pint (25g) egg whites and a scoop of Quest protein post workout. Protein powder mixed with cold egg whites gives a nice, thick cool custard-like drink and it’s pretty great after a grueling workout. And it was cheaper than 2 scoops of protein, so I started doing it. But it never digested well and got worse with time, for both of us, which led to reading a bit on it.
 
Also raw egg whites contains a protein thats called Avidin and it bind to Biotin and prevents absorption. So another reason to dump eating it raw altogether.
 
Hyde said:
All of the protein effectively comes from the white; you don’t need the yolk for anything but the fat and micronutrients.
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I don't think this part is true...quick Google searches confirm the yolk has just as much protein as the white...
 
GreenMachineX said:
I don't think this part is true...quick Google searches confirm the yolk has just as much protein as the white...
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The amino acid profile is complete though; this remark was in reference to needing the yolk. You do not need the yolk for the high protein bioavailability of cooked egg white.

Sorry if that was equally misleading.
 
Hyde said:
Compare that to the huge quantities of cholesterol (and calories) a normal lifter will consume just eating a traditional 5-6 egg meal once a day, and it may not be the right fit for everyone.

Whole eggs routinely in my diet do a serious number on my LDL, which I can’t afford in conjunction with my AAS use.


All of the protein effectively comes from the white; you don’t need the yolk for anything but the fat and micronutrients.
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Egg yolks are a big source of lecithin and lecithin keeps fat moving through your system instead of depositing in your arteries. Years ago, people were being told to stay away from eggs, now newer studies and research is starting to show that eggs are not only good for you, but it turns out that eggs don’t significantly raise blood cholesterol in most people. Yes, the egg yolk contains cholesterol, but it appears that consuming cholesterol in the diet doesn’t significantly increase blood cholesterol or the risk of heart disease. Newer studies show that eating eggs is associated with an increase in HDL cholesterol.

There was a 9 year study done using 461,000 over a 9 year period, ages 30-79. Results showed that daily egg consumption was associated with an 11 percent reduction in risk of developing CVD as compared to those who never or rarely consumed eggs, as well as an 18 percent lower risk of death from CVD. Daily egg consumers also had a 26 percent lower risk of hemorrhagic stroke and a 12 percent reduced risk of ischemic heart disease.
 
mechka_grizli said:
Egg yolks are a big source of lecithin and lecithin keeps fat moving through your system instead of depositing in your arteries. Years ago, people were being told to stay away from eggs, now newer studies and research is starting to show that eggs are not only good for you, but it turns out that eggs don’t significantly raise blood cholesterol in most people. Yes, the egg yolk contains cholesterol, but it appears that consuming cholesterol in the diet doesn’t significantly increase blood cholesterol or the risk of heart disease. Newer studies show that eating eggs is associated with an increase in HDL cholesterol.

There was a 9 year study done using 461,000 over a 9 year period, ages 30-79. Results showed that daily egg consumption was associated with an 11 percent reduction in risk of developing CVD as compared to those who never or rarely consumed eggs, as well as an 18 percent lower risk of death from CVD. Daily egg consumers also had a 26 percent lower risk of hemorrhagic stroke and a 12 percent reduced risk of ischemic heart disease.
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This conversation is not about pro/anti-whole egg. OP was asking about egg whites.

As already stated, consuming significant fats periWO defeats the concept of periWO nutrition. You want to have a plate of eggs a couple hours preWO, you will probably have good stable fuel for training. I’ve had some great lifting a while after heavy breakfasts. But eating them postWO, we now know inhibits the acute muscle protein synthesis process.

The studies show both good and bad. There are agendas on both sides and all the info I’ve seen is totally conflicting - this is likely at least partially because people respond differently. All you need is 2 simple blood pulls to see the effects on your lipids. For me, it’s a huge increase eating a plate of eggs daily. And we do know that skewed lipids is a major risk factor for CVD.

Also, how many eggs did those people need to eat daily to be counted in that study? Was it 5,6, a dozen a day, the way guys like us would eat? Of course not. You cannot assume that because 1 is good, 12 is just as safe. Same as eating dark chocolate or glasses of wine. A lot of things have benefit at low doses and begin being detrimental at higher volume.

I think eggs are a terrific nutritional source. I give my toddler an organic, cage-free whole egg almost every day, cooked in grass-fed butter. I do not routinely eat eggs and I do not cook any of my food in butter, ever. Context.
 
GreenMachineX said:
I don't think this part is true...quick Google searches confirm the yolk has just as much protein as the white...
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Hyde said:
The amino acid profile is complete though; this remark was in reference to needing the yolk. You do not need the yolk for the high protein bioavailability of cooked egg white.

Sorry if that was equally misleading.
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I was incorrect about it being a more complete protein. With that said, I want the biotin and choline. I have had a TBI and take huperzine a for the cholinesterase inhibitor effect. Myself, I cut carbs to keep from getting fat. I do take in more carbs during the periworkout phase but I generally eat some whole eggs in the morning.

That's why I commented about stepping out of my lane. My goal isn't to Flat out grow at this point. I want to stay close to 180 and get as strong as I can. My logs still have value for bodybuilding tho because I still do the angles to look good.
 
Hyde said:
The amino acid profile is complete though; this remark was in reference to needing the yolk. You do not need the yolk for the high protein bioavailability of cooked egg white.

Sorry if that was equally misleading.
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Ohhhhh, gotcha. Right on.
 
"Consumption of whole eggs promotes greater stimulation of postexercise muscle protein synthesis than consumption of isonitrogenous amounts of egg whites in young men"
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"After exercise, participants consumed.."

I think this whole argument that egg yolks post workout would be bad is stupid and doesn't make sense
 
Kronic said:
"Consumption of whole eggs promotes greater stimulation of postexercise muscle protein synthesis than consumption of isonitrogenous amounts of egg whites in young men"
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"After exercise, participants consumed.."

I think this whole argument that egg yolks post workout would be bad is stupid and doesn't make sense
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1. Look at the original post of this thread and consider if this is relevant to that.

2. They gave the 10 college kids each 3 scrambled eggs (18g protein, 17g fat reported), or scrambled egg whites containing an equal 18g protein but 0g fat. They pulled bloods at 3 hours post and 5 hours post and found similar leucine levels, which is great. How does that apply to us? What happens if we eat a more realistic amount, like 5-8 eggs? Will the fats climbing to 30+ grams still not affect gut motility? I mean even just the abstract results note leucine was seen present FASTER in the egg white group, which again is the point of the initial postWO “meal”.

Anyone eating a plate of scrambled egg whites post training is not waiting 5 hours to eat again. They will be eating another meal by that 3 hour mark for sure. So getting those aminos in faster from egg whites is ideal, and then you follow up with a bigger meal in a few hours.

The study is cool; it merits more relevant follow-up in my opinion, but it’s not that applicable to real lifters.
 
Kronic said:
"Consumption of whole eggs promotes greater stimulation of postexercise muscle protein synthesis than consumption of isonitrogenous amounts of egg whites in young men"
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"After exercise, participants consumed.."

I think this whole argument that egg yolks post workout would be bad is stupid and doesn't make sense
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1. Look at the original post of this thread and consider if this is relevant to that.

2. They gave the 10 college kids each 3 scrambled eggs (18g protein, 17g fat reported), or scrambled egg whites containing an equal 18g protein but 0g fat. They pulled bloods at 3 hours post and 5 hours post and found similar leucine levels, which is great. How does that apply to us? What happens if we eat a more realistic amount, like 5-8 eggs? Will the fats climbing to 30+ grams still not affect gut motility? I mean even just the abstract results note leucine was seen present FASTER in the egg white group, which again is the point of the initial postWO “meal”.

Anyone eating a plate of scrambled egg whites post training is not waiting 5 hours to eat again. They will be eating another meal by that 3 hour mark for sure. So getting those aminos in faster from egg whites is ideal, and then you follow up with a bigger meal in a few hours.

The study is cool; it merits more relevant follow-up in my opinion, but it’s not that applicable to real lifters.
 
Kronic said:
I'm an egg goblin. I put 2 raw eggs in my post workout shake.
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Might need to change your username to savage after that comment ;) I don't think I could do raw eggs but maybe some egg beaters in my post workout shake.
 
The importance of the post workout window has been over blown. Total daily protein amount is what really matters.
 
ironkill said:
The importance of the post workout window has been over blown. Total daily protein amount is what really matters.
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I'd say yes and no. I kinda hate the concept of rolling 24 hour clock diets. it leads to people slamming huge shakes thinking they are completing their macros. timing matters more than that.

I think there's a study that shows pwo nutrition can attenuate the need for post workout, but there's also lots to suggest you need both.

a safe assumption based on studies says both pre and post workout nutrition matters with 90 minute windows on each side:
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I personally like to lift fasted for a few hours in the morning so I always go for solid post workout nutrition. sometimes I lift fed later in the day and I dont do a shake but I'll eat food.
 
Kronic said:
I'd say yes and no. I kinda hate the concept of rolling 24 hour clock diets. it leads to people slamming huge shakes thinking they are completing their macros. timing matters more than that.

I think there's a study that shows pwo nutrition can attenuate the need for post workout, but there's also lots to suggest you need both.

a safe assumption based on studies says both pre and post workout nutrition matters with 90 minute windows on each side:
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I personally like to lift fasted for a few hours in the morning so I always go for solid post workout nutrition. sometimes I lift fed later in the day and I dont do a shake but I'll eat food.
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That last paper is interesting. Maybe I should make pre and post workout nutrition more important.
 
Hyde said:
1. Look at the original post of this thread and consider if this is relevant to that.

2. They gave the 10 college kids each 3 scrambled eggs (18g protein, 17g fat reported), or scrambled egg whites containing an equal 18g protein but 0g fat. They pulled bloods at 3 hours post and 5 hours post and found similar leucine levels, which is great. How does that apply to us? What happens if we eat a more realistic amount, like 5-8 eggs? Will the fats climbing to 30+ grams still not affect gut motility? I mean even just the abstract results note leucine was seen present FASTER in the egg white group, which again is the point of the initial postWO “meal”.

Anyone eating a plate of scrambled egg whites post training is not waiting 5 hours to eat again. They will be eating another meal by that 3 hour mark for sure. So getting those aminos in faster from egg whites is ideal, and then you follow up with a bigger meal in a few hours.

The study is cool; it merits more relevant follow-up in my opinion, but it’s not that applicable to real lifters.
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Maybe a mix of both egg whites and whole eggs would be superior then? Like 4 whole eggs and another 20g protein from whites?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Maybe a mix of both egg whites and whole eggs would be superior then? Like 4 whole eggs and another 20g protein from whites?
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I'd diversify. can you do milk?

raw eggs + milk actually tastes p good
raw eggs + OJ is good too

one of my favorite simple meals is 5 over medium eggs on top of 3 pieces of toast. poached is traditional. eggs Benedict of course is the actual best food in the world though.
 
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Kronic said:
I'd diversify. can you do milk?

raw eggs + milk actually tastes p good
raw eggs + OJ is good too
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I'm trying to find protein that doesn't have much b12 or folate (didn't know whey was loaded with folate until recently), milk might be ok though since it's mostly casein. But over 20g protein from milk at one shot sounds like a lot...
 
GreenMachineX said:
I'm trying to find protein that doesn't have much b12 or folate (didn't know whey was loaded with folate until recently), milk might be ok though since it's mostly casein. But over 20g protein from milk at one shot sounds like a lot...
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all protein bars are bad that I've seen. liver king bar is kinda cool but super expensive. you should just make your own
 
Kronic said:
I'd say yes and no. I kinda hate the concept of rolling 24 hour clock diets. it leads to people slamming huge shakes thinking they are completing their macros. timing matters more than that.

I think there's a study that shows pwo nutrition can attenuate the need for post workout, but there's also lots to suggest you need both.

a safe assumption based on studies says both pre and post workout nutrition matters with 90 minute windows on each side:
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I personally like to lift fasted for a few hours in the morning so I always go for solid post workout nutrition. sometimes I lift fed later in the day and I dont do a shake but I'll eat food.
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Brad Schoenfeld, author of that 2013 study, has since changed his stance on the importance of this window. Here is a 2018 paper with Alan Aragon with the more recent findings. The window is much larger than originally anticipated

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ironkill said:
Brad Schoenfeld, author of that 2013 study, has since changed his stance on the importance of this window. Here is a 2018 paper with Alan Aragon with the more recent findings. The window is much larger than originally anticipated

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over a long period of time neglecting better nutrition timing will be sub optimal. it's common sense. idk why these guys didn't find any difference in their single whey study but I can tell a difference in myself.

their method is questionable really. this study says that they made their subjects not eat for 3 hours to not confound pre and post workout nutrition. if they lifted any time early in the morning they might even be fasted. they could also pollute the data by carb loading the day before. and then finally, it's whey protein powder. can we please stop using whey powder to test this **** lol


I'll consider this study evidence that fasted lifting doesn't make you lose muscle
 
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Kronic said:
over a long period of time neglecting better nutrition timing will be sub optimal. it's common sense. idk why these guys didn't find any difference in their single whey study but I can tell a difference in myself.

their method is questionable really. this study says that they made their subjects not eat for 3 hours to not confound pre and post workout nutrition. if they lifted any time early in the morning they might even be fasted. they could also pollute the data by carb loading the day before. and then finally, it's whey protein powder. can we please stop using whey powder to test this **** lol


I'll consider this study evidence that fasted lifting doesn't make you lose muscle
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What's wrong with using whey in the study?
 
Kronic said:
I'm an egg goblin. I put 2 raw eggs in my post workout shake.
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But now you’re getting very little protein from this, just the nutritional benefits of the yolks really. Again, the egg needs to be cooked decently to reach that high bioavailability in protein.

I actually really like raw eggs blended into a protein shake, makes it like custard, or like you said with OJ is great. But it’s terrible from a protein perspective, and raw also does pose a slight bacterial risk for salmonella.

GreenMachineX said:
Maybe a mix of both egg whites and whole eggs would be superior then? Like 4 whole eggs and another 20g protein from whites?
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Yes if you want to eat cooked eggs post training, I would limit them to the 3 in the study that was found to be overall alright, and add more protein via cooked whites, or whey, or something else low fat. Pea, soy, you get it.

GreenMachineX said:
So is the current belief that egg white powder isn't bioavailable?
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I though that it is, but I can’t substantiate that. It’s certainly a VERY different end product than pasteurized liquid egg whites.
 
Kronic said:
I'm an egg goblin. I put 2 raw eggs in my post workout shake.
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But now you’re getting very little protein from this, just the nutritional benefits of the yolks really. Again, the egg needs to be cooked decently to reach that high bioavailability in protein.

I actually really like raw eggs blended into a protein shake, makes it like custard, or like you said with OJ is great. But it’s terrible from a protein perspective, and raw also does pose a slight bacterial risk for salmonella.

GreenMachineX said:
Maybe a mix of both egg whites and whole eggs would be superior then? Like 4 whole eggs and another 20g protein from whites?
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Yes if you want to eat cooked eggs post training, I would limit them to the 3 in the study that was found to be overall alright, and add more protein via cooked whites, or whey, or something else low fat. Pea, soy, you get it.

GreenMachineX said:
So is the current belief that egg white powder isn't bioavailable?
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I though that it is, but I can’t substantiate that. It’s certainly a VERY different end product than pasteurized liquid egg whites.
 
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