Cycle upgrade

Taper slow. Don’t double your dose right out of the gate. It IS extremely user dependent. I can make huge gains off 25-50 mg of drol, 75 I keep getting stronger but can’t eat and feel like shite, counterproductive. Now, I can run elephant doses of 19nors (tren and test simultaneously) with minimal ai; while other would have a nice set of tittays at a quarter of the dose I run. There is no cut and paste when it comes to anabolics. Stir and simmer slowly to find that boiling point.
 
We need to maintain focus on the cycle goal: develop & retain increased strength over baseline, especially in facets that directly support competitive armwrestling.

That means the drug-use will not pursue maximal lean tissue acquisition, but rather actual performance enhancement. Not every cycle is about getting as big as possible.

That means taking more and more Anadrol for a short span, while it would result in better growth likely I feel, is inferior to training at just a moderately enhanced rate for a long enough period that allows for significant practice/work to elapse. Raising baseline (not temporarily supercharged) strength takes time.

The neurological benefits of using abombs preWO is going to lead to enhanced learning/skill acquisition for things like table time,as well as breaking grip and arm strength plateaus in a mild but sustainable way.

If you told me you wanted to move up a weightclass in a strength sport, doses should be higher and the blast shorter. Get the new size on sooner so you can begin training with the new leverages. But to get better within a class, the drugs need to be run more at doses that are intended to be sustained for some time - acute contest usage aside. Even if a guy stayed on grams of stuff for long periods, he would need even more to grow substantially, so this still holds true.
 
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We need to maintain focus on the cycle goal: develop & retain increased strength over baseline, especially in facets that directly support competitive armwrestling.

That means the drug-use will not pursue maximal lean tissue acquisition, but rather actual performance enhancement. Not every cycle is about getting as big as possible.

That means taking more and more Anadrol for a short span, while it would result in better growth likely I feel, is inferior to training at just a moderately enhanced rate for a long enough period that allows for significant practice/work to elapse. Raising baseline (not temporarily supercharged) strength takes time.

The neurological benefits of using abombs preWO is going to lead to enhanced learning/skill acquisition for things like table time,as well as breaking grip and arm strength plateaus in a mild but sustainable way.

If you told me you wanted to move up a weightclass in a strength sport, doses should be higher and the blast shorter. Get the new size on sooner so you can begin training with the new leverages. But to get better within a class, the drugs need to be run more at doses that are intended to be sustained for some time - acute contest usage aside. Even if a guy stayed on grams of stuff for long periods, he would need even more to grow substantially, so this still holds true.
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You learn something new everyday, thank you for the info.
 
Day 14

Ill give you guys the inside scoop. Ive used my own prescription anavar @50mg from a pharmacy here in the usa. And now ive used prescription anadrol at 37.5mg. I have to say that the pumps on anavar and 400 test is much much better than anadrol and test 400mg. We will see what happens at 50mg adrol.

Oh i meant to say anavar at 50mg w/ test AND IN A 1500 CALORIE DEFICIT gives better pumps than adrol w/ test while bulking. (Not knocking anadrol, but man that var lol).




The most bizarre thing keeps happening. Ill take my morning dump and weigh myself. I weighed 188 this morning. Tonight i weigh 188. Same thing yesterday. This despite eatijng and drinking all day (and no more pooping)
 
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I’m not surprised. Anavar can cause some splitting pumps. Anadrol is more water and blood everywhere kind of look/feel; bulky.
 
Talk about training for arm wrestling, have you ever seen Devon Larratt’s (I think I spelled his name right) training videos? He uses some very unique training techniques to get stronger in his arm wrestling positions, if you haven’t you should check it out.
 
Strength is up slightly. Wife said i look bigger. Compared myself to older pictures and im slighty bigger. Shoulders are starting to pop a bit.

Im learning anadrol is EXTREMELY carb dependent. Meaning, i eat too much carbs i start looking chubby REAL quick.

I started taking 10mg tadalafil a day to bump my BP down and its given me significant relief.
 
BBiceps said:
Talk about training for arm wrestling, have you ever seen Devon Larratt’s (I think I spelled his name right) training videos? He uses some very unique training techniques to get stronger in his arm wrestling positions, if you haven’t you should check it out.
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Thanks! Yes ive heard of him. Ive actually seen one of his training videos and i implemented a lot of his training ideas. Ive been told that im MUCH stronger since doing so. Solid advice. I need to check out more of his videos
 
Devon is the man. Seems like a very likeable guy. He took down John Brzenk recently in Dubai. I realize John is past his prime, but that is still quite a claim - John is the king for a reason. Especially since Devon wasn’t at maximum size for it.
 
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Devon is the man. Seems like a very likeable guy. He took down John Brzenk recently in Dubai. I realize John is past his prime, but that is still quite a claim - John is the king for a reason. Especially since Devon wasn’t at maximum size for it.
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I havent seen that one yet. I heard devon controlled every round. Id love to meet devon. Id also like to meet michael todd. Dudes a gorilla. He arm wrestles similar to me so it would be cool to learn
 
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Check out I believe it’s armpower.net, for articles by John Brzenk on techniques. He not only the best arm wrestler of all time, but also a master of all techniques. I arm wrestled a lot in the 90s and the farther you get the more important your technique and jumping out to good starts. You could be the best arm wrestler on your team, and you get to a tournament and everyone is good. Your strength and power is important, but technique will get you over the top.
I think a lot people underestimate the strategy that goes into winning. And yeah Devon Larrett is still a beast even at his age. If your fairly new, a good combo in your training would be Devon’s training for power and explosiveness and John’s techniques. And the only way to really work on techniques is to have other guys to arm wrestle.
 
gphagan1 said:
Check out I believe it’s armpower.net, for articles by John Brzenk on techniques. He not only the best arm wrestler of all time, but also a master of all techniques. I arm wrestled a lot in the 90s and the farther you get the more important your technique and jumping out to good starts. You could be the best arm wrestler on your team, and you get to a tournament and everyone is good. Your strength and power is important, but technique will get you over the top.
I think a lot people underestimate the strategy that goes into winning. And yeah Devon Larrett is still a beast even at his age. If your fairly new, a good combo in your training would be Devon’s training for power and explosiveness and John’s techniques. And the only way to really work on techniques is to have other guys to arm wrestle.
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Will do, appreciate the link. Ive been wanting to learn more technique. No lol ive been needing it. I got 3rd place in my amateur division and could have got second place if i had the right techniques. First place guy was crazy strong. At 180lbs i preacher curl machine 80lbs one handed for my heavy sets so im not weak, but this dude felt like a brick wall.

Since then ive been training my weak spots and started using some of devons training methods. We will see how well i do this summer
 
I would work on the top roll and hook to start, with a partner hopefully close to your level. If you arm wrestle right handed, try to explode with power from your legs as you rotate your upper body, and keeping shoulder tight, for leverage to slam your opponent through the table, that uses your optimal group of muscles for both those techniques. I hope that makes sense (easier to show than describe). As matches go on, opponents will counter your strengths to try gaining leverage. Like you may have an opponent that gains top roll leverage, because his arms are longer, and physically you can’t position your hand higher than his, your counter would be a quick explosive hook, keeping your shoulder tight, rotating your upper body with leg drive to open him up pulling him into your table. Just an example.
Once you get really good, it’s addictive. lol
 
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This is the end of the second week. The strength is starting to appear.

Ill start keeping track of a few exercises. Theres really only 1 exercise i really care about getting stronger in.

Before i started this cycle i was able to machine preacher curl 80lbs one handed on my last set for 3 reps. Today i got 85lbs for 4.


Ive been working my hands/wrists/forearms 3x a week and i feel way stronger. My hand feels like it put on muscle. Maybe its just water 🤷‍♂️. My wrist feels stronger too.

Calories have been 2500-3000. Will increase further

I like the progress im getting so im going to ride out the adrol at 37.5mg for now
 
This will sounds weird but have tried to “arm wrestle” the preacher curl? Like you have to sit on the side of the machine and arm wrestle it up instead of curl it. I saw Larratt doing it, it looked weird as sh*t but he said it worked great.
 
If you get time, post a sample day of your hand/wrist/forearm routine. Anyone still following is interested, I’m sure.
 
gphagan1 said:
I would work on the top roll and hook to start, with a partner hopefully close to your level. If you arm wrestle right handed, try to explode with power from your legs as you rotate your upper body, and keeping shoulder tight, for leverage to slam your opponent through the table, that uses your optimal group of muscles for both those techniques. I hope that makes sense (easier to show than describe). As matches go on, opponents will counter your strengths to try gaining leverage. Like you may have an opponent that gains top roll leverage, because his arms are longer, and physically you can’t position your hand higher than his, your counter would be a quick explosive hook, keeping your shoulder tight, rotating your upper body with leg drive to open him up pulling him into your table. Just an example.
Once you get really good, it’s addictive. lol
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Yeah man, it gets really fun! Im tracking you. Exploding though my feet is something i can work on. Ive learned where my natural strengths are, im a top roller. My pronator is pretty strong. My hook is weak though. My side pressure is okay for amateurs. I found my love for arm wrestling when i learned technique
 
BBiceps said:
This will sounds weird but have tried to “arm wrestle” the preacher curl? Like you have to sit on the side of the machine and arm wrestle it up instead of curl it. I saw Larratt doing it, it looked weird as sh*t but he said it worked great.
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Yeah i do that from time to time. Currently i use the preacher curl machine because it gives even weight through the whole range of motion. When i switch to isometrics ill probably use those holds/curls larratt uses. Devon larratt preacher curls 180lbs 1 handed. Freakin ridiculous.
 
Im doing my pronation/supination day today

I use bands because they feel more like a person than weights, and ultimately because its easier to couch train. I sit on my couch and watch tv. It helps with volume.


I’ve heard hands and forearms respond best to high repetition and I found that to be true personally. Devon and larratt said an a video somewhere that he trains his forearms anywhere between 20 and 50 reps.

To start I take the band wrapped around my ankle and finagle around my other leg to get a good realistic arm wrestling leverage point. I wrapped the other end of the band around my thumb and over the back of my hand. Its the primary pronator muscle group. I currently use my purple and black band stretched out to a good tension. About 20 to 30 reps. Preferably with isometric holds for rest.

Next up, I finagle the band around my other leg so I can work the secondary pronator group which should help in the strap, but not so much out of the strap. I take the band and I put the end of the band in my hand on the pinky side, then I run the band through my hand, over the top of my hand around the back, so it puts tension on the pinky side of my hand rather than the thumb side. Same reps/rest.

Supination is just reversed.

Ill also work pronation from the kings move position. If I had known that I should pronate from the kings move to get out of the move I could’ve got second place in my last tournament. But I didn’t I got third 🤷‍♂️

Rinse and repeat
 
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Yeah volume is definitely important. Also I would work on a lot of static holds, with your dumbbells. As simple as when your in the down position of any of your exercises, just hold the weight, with forearm extended and open as long as you can hold before curling back up. This works great on the edge of a table, holding the dumbbell, like your arm wrestling it, preventing it from taking you down, and time it. Try to increase that static hold time. Also a good way to work on static hold in the up position, are static hold chin-ups. Static holds are one of the best ways to increase your stamina and endurance in your arms. You’ll find great stamina can help win a lot of matches.
Early on I used to do great, and win a lot in early rounds, and then I would start to wear down. I had a lot of strength and power, so I would try to overwhelm my opponent with speed and exploding out the gate. That was great until you had an opponent that could weather the storm, hold you up and try to wear on you. That’s inevitably when I would lose. So I worked on my stamina and got to where I could hold an opponent and start wearing them down. The farther you get in this sport, the more you will need that endurance.
 
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Yeah volume is definitely important. Also I would work on a lot of static holds, with your dumbbells. As simple as when your in the down position of any of your exercises, just hold the weight, with forearm extended and open as long as you can hold before curling back up. This works great on the edge of a table, holding the dumbbell, like your arm wrestling it, preventing it from taking you down, and time it. Try to increase that static hold time. Also a good way to work on static hold in the up position, are static hold chin-ups. Static holds are one of the best ways to increase your stamina and endurance in your arms. You’ll find great stamina can help win a lot of matches.
Early on I used to do great, and win a lot in early rounds, and then I would start to wear down. I had a lot of strength and power, so I would try to overwhelm my opponent with speed and exploding out the gate. That was great until you had an opponent that could weather the storm, hold you up and try to wear on you. That’s inevitably when I would lose. So I worked on my stamina and got to where I could hold an opponent and start wearing them down. The farther you get in this sport, the more you will need that endurance.
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Yes stamina is crucial. Im a catcher so even more so. I cant explode without hurting my elbow so i catch 🤷‍♂️.

I appreciate everybodies input. Ive actually lost sight of raising my endurance so I’m glad you mention it. Right now I’m going through strength phase, ill probably start working on endurance in a couple weeks when my strength plateaus.
 
Dude, when you were talking about bands while tv’ing I just had a flashback to the movie “over the top” when Sly Stallone was curling in his big rig while driving lol. Damn, I have at seen that flick since the 90’s. I’m going to have to rewatch now. Kinda thinking one of the characters is from west side barbell (the guy that chugs motor oil before his match); must confirm or deny.
 
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Dude, when you were talking about bands while tv’ing I just had a flashback to the movie “over the top” when Sly Stallone was curling in his big rig while driving lol. Damn, I have at seen that flick since the 90’s. I’m going to have to rewatch now. Kinda thinking one of the characters is from west side barbell (the guy that chugs motor oil before his match); must confirm or deny.
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That’s one of my wife’s very favorite movies. Whenever he turns his hat backwards, she’s ready to break the remote
 
SkRaw85 said:
Dude, when you were talking about bands while tv’ing I just had a flashback to the movie “over the top” when Sly Stallone was curling in his big rig while driving lol. Damn, I have at seen that flick since the 90’s. I’m going to have to rewatch now. Kinda thinking one of the characters is from west side barbell (the guy that chugs motor oil before his match); must confirm or deny.
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Motor oil lubes up the joints and puts hair on your chest. Merica
 
It’s funny John Brzenk has a brief appearance in Over the Top. To most people he looked like less of an arm wrestler than any of them, but yet he was untouchable back then, and became the Giant Killer. He really appreciated Stallone for bringing the spot light to the sport.
 
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It’s funny John Brzenk has a brief appearance in Over the Top. To most people he looked like less of an arm wrestler than any of them, but yet he was untouchable back then, and became the Giant Killer. He really appreciated Stallone for bringing the spot light to the sport.
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Lol no way, never knew Brzenk was in there. Guess ill have to drag my family in front of the tv to watch it. Its for their good.
 
2and a halfish weeks in:

Ive been dealing with no appetite for about a week. I suspected mk677 was to blame, so i cut it out and my appetite returned.i know its supposed to stimulate appetite, which it does initially, but for some reason after about a week or two it kills my appetite. No more mk.

I think im getting sick. Wife was sick yesterday and im feeling pretty crummy. Still planning on gym today though


I hope its not the adrol doing this stuff to me. Time will tell
 
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Brzenk is in this scene and another one where I believe him and Stallone are just walking by each other.
 
Here is a good video of John Brzenk and the Russian Denis Cyplenkov the Super Heavyweight champ, and a few of their battles. He outweighed Brzenk by about 45 or 50 lbs., and continued trying a technique where he sits back on his weight to try and extend Brzenk and break open his hook, but Brzenk would reel him in and slowly break him down. There was a period of time that if he caught you in his hook, it was over, nobody escaped. These are good matches to see a strength that your opponent has no answers for and he would just wear them out.

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update: week 2.5

Today was my incline press day. I use the hammer strength machine for stability (as opposed to DB or BB) because im missing half an arm. I hit 140 on each side (280 total) for my last set of 5. Right before this cycle started i was using 130ish for 5. Strength is appearing here too. My personal best is 145 on each side for 5 or so reps.

Is this any good?




Body weight hasnt increased since the initial jump in weight. Im 188 in the AM. I was maintaining on about 1500-2000 cals a day prior to starting adtol so ive been increasing it since the start. Im now eating 3000 a day. Will slowly increase further till 3500. This should be bulk territory for me. I just need to keep my weight under 200 to make my weight class. No problem. I dont plan on getting past 195.
 
update: week 2.5

Today was my incline press day. I use the hammer strength machine for stability (as opposed to DB or BB) because im missing half an arm. I hit 140 on each side (280 total) for my last set of 5. Right before this cycle started i was using 130ish for 5. Strength is appearing here too. My personal best is 145 on each side for 5 or so reps.

Is this any good?




Body weight hasnt increased since the initial jump in weight. Im 188 in the AM. I was maintaining on about 1500-2000 cals a day prior to starting adtol so ive been increasing it since the start. Im now eating 3000 a day. Will slowly increase further till 3500. This should be bulk territory for me. I just need to keep my weight under 200 to make my weight class. No problem. I dont plan on getting past 195.
 
update: week 2.5

Today was my incline press day. I use the hammer strength machine for stability (as opposed to DB or BB) because im missing half an arm. I hit 140 on each side (280 total) for my last set of 5. Right before this cycle started i was using 130ish for 5. Strength is appearing here too. My personal best is 145 on each side for 5 or so reps.

Is this any good?




Body weight hasnt increased since the initial jump in weight. Im 188 in the AM. I was maintaining on about 1500-2000 cals a day prior to starting adtol so ive been increasing it since the start. Im now eating 3000 a day. Will slowly increase further till 3500. This should be bulk territory for me. I just need to keep my weight under 200 to make my weight class. No problem. I dont plan on getting past 195.
 
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That’s some good weight on your incline press. What else did you work in the rest of your workout?
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i super set my incline press with an lat pull down of the same angle and hand width as the incline press so...

incline press 5 sets of ascending weight (6 sets this time) X lat pulls (sets of 10 reps because i get burnt out pushing so heavy presses)

DB shoulder press 4 sets of 10 reps
some type of angled lat pull down im doing to rehab my back 4 sets 10 reps
lateral and front raises 4 sets of 10 reps or until im mentally exhausted.

2 minute rests between sets. Most exercises have a one-second pause at bottom and top. The tempo is something like 1 second pause/ explosive concentric/ second pause/ 3-4 seconds eccentric. some exercises have slower eccentrics.
 
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Do any overhand curls with an ez bar (reverse curls)? A slow tempo on the negative (5 seconds or so) really torches the forearms. Could be good for your sport. Focus on crushing the bar on the way down too.
 
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Do any overhand curls with an ez bar (reverse curls)? A slow tempo on the negative (5 seconds or so) really torches the forearms. Could be good for your sport. Focus on crushing the bar on the way down too.
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When i do the heavy preacher curls i do slow negative before the explosive concentric. Thats about all i do that resembles that. Could be good to do
 
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