brandonLPN
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Maybe not, but guerrilla warfare stopped the Soviet Union from winning in Afghanistan. And Putin’s Russia is no Soviet Union.
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BamBam54
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Heck... guerilla warfare stopped even the mightier US from winning in Afghanistan, too!!
Videos like this showing hundreds of civilians making molotov cocktails to defend their town is inspiring.... so many Ukranians staying (and even returning from abroad) to defend their homeland.
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Videos like this showing hundreds of civilians making molotov cocktails to defend their town is inspiring.... so many Ukranians staying (and even returning from abroad) to defend their homeland.
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Quest
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I agree guerrilla warfare can stop even the mightiest of armies especially when fighting for the dirt they live on but a few things to consider...
These are not tribal militias that have been fighting there entire lives from a hole eating garbage for months off a mountain side.
These are soft as butter, I phone tapping mocha drinking civilians just like the average Joe in the USA
They are not living in a jungle or Afghanistan mountains and are surrounded by nato backed countries.
Asking a civilian to operate a weapon in a live battlefield with molotov cocktail against trained equipped professionals is abuse imo
I don't trust the media at all. Even fox
And putin understands we are all watching the spin from our shitbag journalists.
If he wanted it would already be over.
This is planned
These are not tribal militias that have been fighting there entire lives from a hole eating garbage for months off a mountain side.
These are soft as butter, I phone tapping mocha drinking civilians just like the average Joe in the USA
They are not living in a jungle or Afghanistan mountains and are surrounded by nato backed countries.
Asking a civilian to operate a weapon in a live battlefield with molotov cocktail against trained equipped professionals is abuse imo
I don't trust the media at all. Even fox
And putin understands we are all watching the spin from our shitbag journalists.
If he wanted it would already be over.
This is planned
ax1
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Wow, had no idea he was heading there, that dude is a Warrior!
ax1
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I heard alot of those "civilians" taking up arms have military training in the past too, its a little better than it sounds.
The one way out of this is to start carpet bombing the city, I think by then its potential WWIII because I dont think NATO/US will watch that. Im not sure if Putin really wants that, the beginning of this at least is targeted attacks.
Best case scenerio, Putin calls a cease fire calls for "mission accomplished" for severely crippling the Ukrainian military and walks away because he knows if he carpet bombs Ukraine thats potentially the end of Moscow.
Just my opinion for the very moment, that can change.
BamBam54
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I think Putin now has two choices militarily...
1) He could ramp up his heavy military power. Big bombers have yet to be seen. But this would greatly escalate civilian deaths, which only encourages Ukrainian resistance and world condemnation.
2) or Putin could bypass the bigger cities. Take and control small cities and town. Gain control over more land area than population centers. Slowly strangle the bigger cities until last. Trouble is that with all Ukrainians willing to fight everywhere, even this is hard. And it's a slower process again making mighty Russia look weak.
The only way to potentially negotiate an end to this at the peace table today is if Ukraine offers to never join NATO or host their missiles, and Russia claims that's all they ever wanted and leaves. But we may be we'll beyond that point now....
1) He could ramp up his heavy military power. Big bombers have yet to be seen. But this would greatly escalate civilian deaths, which only encourages Ukrainian resistance and world condemnation.
2) or Putin could bypass the bigger cities. Take and control small cities and town. Gain control over more land area than population centers. Slowly strangle the bigger cities until last. Trouble is that with all Ukrainians willing to fight everywhere, even this is hard. And it's a slower process again making mighty Russia look weak.
The only way to potentially negotiate an end to this at the peace table today is if Ukraine offers to never join NATO or host their missiles, and Russia claims that's all they ever wanted and leaves. But we may be we'll beyond that point now....
ax1
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I wonder if Putin did end the war, if Chernobyl would be kept in Russia's hands.
(separate fun fact: battlefield Nukes were left in Ukraine and returned to Russia in 1992)
Also, Ukraine is rich in Uraniam and thats about smack in the middle of Ukraine as seen in 1st map below.
Id also consider the location of other natural resources that Ukraine, this one I just looked up my memory isnt that good but they are one of the leading nations in titanium, iron, lithium and other non-metallic materials,
So if we had a scenario of Russia trying to carve out the Ukraine we would want to map this all out and see the potential. Keep in mind, alot of war countries have alot of resources, the two usually go together, even North Korea has 10s of billions of rare earth elements waiting to be touched.
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Quest
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I agree but in this situation I believe the microphone is mightier than the sword.
Most of the world can't handle this pressure. He's smoking the rat out of the hole with the media. He doesn't need or want to.mass kill.
See how the world handles it. He loves to be hated and already is was the bad guy that owns the economy
Most of the world can't handle this pressure. He's smoking the rat out of the hole with the media. He doesn't need or want to.mass kill.
See how the world handles it. He loves to be hated and already is was the bad guy that owns the economy
BamBam54
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Wasn't there a Qanon story where those snake island sailors were all killed because they knew about Zelensky bribes and his double secret bio-weapons lab buried under that island?
manifesto
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I have no clue......
ax1
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Please stop frequenting Qanon websites, and they say that I’m the “conspiracy” guy here in the Dump thread?
Just kidding LOL
ax1
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Oh lol
ax1
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The only border they care about is the one south of Chile. Border patrol on guard 24-7 VVVV
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brandonLPN
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That’s not how NATO works, man. We spend billions protecting their borders, they in return don’t give a ***** about ours.
ax1
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Just another thought to consider,
Civilians fighting back is just a bonus, Ukrainian forces are ranked 22nd on military power…..plus NATO nations are backing them up as we speak.
Once Russian body bags start going back to parents back at home and piling up things will get interesting inside Moscow.
BamBam54
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CIA is already pushing this idea that Putin is sick or somehow unhinged. Deep State types love that phrase! LOL
Either way, big western media campaign going on now to undercut Putin's mental stability. Talking about his puffy face lately... that might be linked to taking anti-depressents... his more rambling speeches with some paranoia evident. That kind of stuff. Maybe to give his generals some ideas about taking him out.
Rubio and some other senator on intelligence committe were notably making the rounds this weekend saying 'they have reason to believe' Putin is somehow ill though not able to be specific 'based on classified intelligence'. Really pushing that narrative the last couple days.
Contrived? Desperate? Or legit...?
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Either way, big western media campaign going on now to undercut Putin's mental stability. Talking about his puffy face lately... that might be linked to taking anti-depressents... his more rambling speeches with some paranoia evident. That kind of stuff. Maybe to give his generals some ideas about taking him out.
Rubio and some other senator on intelligence committe were notably making the rounds this weekend saying 'they have reason to believe' Putin is somehow ill though not able to be specific 'based on classified intelligence'. Really pushing that narrative the last couple days.
Contrived? Desperate? Or legit...?
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ax1
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How still see how strategically from a dictator standpoint he needed to take action....NATO is evil too (they for sure have a higher innocent civilian death count than Putin to date) and agreements are being broken. Looks like alot of Ukrainians chose this path so be it, at the end of the day Im rooting for Ukraine but this could have been avoided if NATO didnt push the limits of eastern expansion, a group designed to counter the USSR which is long gone.
If Russia and China made an alliance with Mexico and they put missiles there politically Americans would feel different.
So is Putin crazy? Yeah, for sure and probably most dangerous to cause mass causalities but the people on the other side are deranged power hungry criminals too.
There is alot of dirty shyt from all sides when it comes to resources and piplelines, one way or another they all doing some crazy shyt and poor civilians are the cost over it.
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thebigt
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why should they give a fvck about our border when our president doesn't give a fvck about it?
sorry, but before i start giving a fvck about the problems with other nations borders i want the problem with OUR nations border solved.....ukraine is a convenient distraction from all the problems going on in the good ole USA.
gas prices, grocery prices, heating prices, crime, hell this country is falling apart and all everyone is talking about is ukraine--how convenient!!!
ax1
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why should they give a fvck about our border when our president doesn't give a fvck about it?
sorry, but before i start giving a fvck about the problems with other nations borders i want the problem with OUR nations border solved.....ukraine is a convenient distraction from all the problems going on in the good ole USA.
gas prices, grocery prices, heating prices, crime, hell this country is falling apart and all everyone is talking about is ukraine--how convenient!!!
Your starting to sound like a "libertarian "isolationist"" lol
thebigt
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sure we should be concerned with what is happening across the pond, but not at the expense of forgetting all of the problems we have here at home---the situation at OUR border has been crisis mode almost since day 1 of biden, inflation and prices are soaring and are getting worse from the invasion of ukraine--lets not let what is happening in ukraine distract us from the very serious issues we have here in the USA.
ax1
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Notice all the sudden covid is shyt crap irrelevant news these days? They control the mainstream narrative, at it all happened with the flip of a switch.
THOR 70
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Took a break and tryin to catch up. Does this whole Russia/Ukraine thing feel “off” to anyone? I’m not even on mainstream media but Ukraine’s President is plastered everywhere as this likable family man hero with his troops while Putin is demonized. I realized he invaded but does this 100% make him the bad guy? This is just the tip of the iceberg I feel. Then you have George Soros, marina Abromovich(spelling), Hillary Clinton, all publicly pleading for support for Ukraine. I am self aware that I am a bit of a contrarian, but is anyone else not suspect after being bent over by the MSM the last 2+ years with all the narratives and lies?
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thebigt
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BOOM, out go the lights on covid now that they have a new shiny object-eh?
i think the majority of people are finally starting to wake up to the bullshyt they are throwing at us...
does this mean you won't be running to get your covid booster shot? my wife and i refused to get the vaccines even with all the heat they threw at us--we said fuckjoebiden and his fvcking vaccine mandates.
say what you will about trump but he left it up to individual states to decide how to react to covid and never issued mandates--fuckjoebiden and his motherfuckingmandates.
BamBam54
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Stuff happens.... we hear about it.... and can decide how it affects us.
In THIS case, Russia is doing some pretty violent sh1t to Ukraine, and the Ukrainian people seem patriotic and brave in defending their homeland and freedom. Nothing suspicious or conspiratory with Ukranian support in this case.... no matter what past donations they made.
Ukraine are the good guys in this particular fight. And it's a damn shame no nation on earth has the balls to stand beside them against the Russian attack.
In THIS case, Russia is doing some pretty violent sh1t to Ukraine, and the Ukrainian people seem patriotic and brave in defending their homeland and freedom. Nothing suspicious or conspiratory with Ukranian support in this case.... no matter what past donations they made.
Ukraine are the good guys in this particular fight. And it's a damn shame no nation on earth has the balls to stand beside them against the Russian attack.
thebigt
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it appears the shyt is going to hit the fan tonight, i saw that a 40 mile russian convoy is only 20 miles out from the capital.....politics as usual, democrats bragging what a great job biden has done and republicans saying this could have been avoided if US/NATO would have acted sooner sending weapons to ukraine...as much as i sympathize with the ukrainians i don't want people to get detracted from what a mess our own border is in
on a side note, i am amazed how different/healthier mike pompeo looks--good on him!!!
ax1
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Do you want any of them to do so?
What are balls if they are melting down your legs from radioactivity? Im just saying, this is probably the closest we are to wwiii since the cuban missile crisis, or maybe Im just overthinking it. But if Russia is financially collapsing and the west starts attacking Russians, Putin probably has nothing left to lose. My hopes is people around him start to resist him.
thebigt
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exactly...i heard that putin has already used a vacuum bomb which is just one step below a nuke, and i've also heard people saying that putin is mentally ill-how far towards desperation do we want to push a madman?
my thought that putin would not invade ukraine was based on his sanity-this invasion of ukraine was the act of a mad man, imo....
hopefully we are in secret behind the scenes talks with russian top military to remove putin, much as we were in what turned out to be failed talks with german military to remove hitler...hopefully the top russian military see the path putin is on is destructive to the russian people and russia itself.
Quest
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That's why I'm very very skeptical of the news. I fucking knew they would paint putin as crazy. I see the spin like the matrix.
This 'distraction ' is when the left gets the propoganda machine overheated. Sets the fundamentals for some kind of reset.
He has to restore energy balance he took away with his green garbage. The rest is fluff and spin who the **** knows the business between Russia and Ukraine.
USA citizens watching TV or in screwels certainly do not.
This 'distraction ' is when the left gets the propoganda machine overheated. Sets the fundamentals for some kind of reset.
He has to restore energy balance he took away with his green garbage. The rest is fluff and spin who the **** knows the business between Russia and Ukraine.
USA citizens watching TV or in screwels certainly do not.
BamBam54
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This media blitz to paint Putin as crazy seems pretty contrived and deliberate. It screams CIA disinformation campaign if you ask me. What would we do if Russia or China was going to stage missiles next door in Mexico? Biden botched this whole thing by pushing NATO a little too close to a paranoid bear.
Is a thermobaric munition really all that close to a nuke? Or a larger fuel air bomb? We've had them and used them for years. Remember our MOAB? Our cluster bombs and white phosphorous? C'mon now....
Same with this 40 mile long convoy story. All over the news, the headline on every story. Is it even true? Maybe making it seem like such an impossible lost cause to influence us that there is no reason to even help??
And would helping the Ukranians really mean nuclear WW3? Maybe not. If Russia can have Belarus and Chechnya help them, why can't someone help Ukraine? If Putin started marching Ukranians into gas chambers and death camps, would we turn our backs and let it all happen again...???
NATO keeps saying we can't help because Ukraine is not in NATO. Even that is bullshit. If they were in NATO we would "have to" help, by treaty. But we certainly "could" if it was decided to be in our best interest or the world's best interest. We also have a policy of supporting and preserving freedom and democracy, sometimes just because it's the right thing to do. No??
I'm just saying it's obvious bullshit to say NATO can't help because Ukraine isn't in NATO, but then pretend the Baltics are next. If the Baltics are in any danger and they hold NATO protections, then everyone is in danger everywhere... and then maybe it is time to help the cause of freedom.
It doesn't have to mean nukes. Allied jets could fight in the skies over Ukraine.
How is that all so different from handing Ukranians javelins to blow up Russian tank crews. In for a penny, in for a pound.
And if Putin made the choice to escalate and expand out to attack the source of those allied planes.... then now or later, if that is the direction we think he would go, then now or later maybe we need to address this Russian threat if it's a real threat at all.
Right now the media blitz is that Russia is going to obliterate the people of Ukraine. And that we should be scared for our future if we intervene.
I am starting to think maybe we should be scared for our future if we dont.....
Is a thermobaric munition really all that close to a nuke? Or a larger fuel air bomb? We've had them and used them for years. Remember our MOAB? Our cluster bombs and white phosphorous? C'mon now....
Same with this 40 mile long convoy story. All over the news, the headline on every story. Is it even true? Maybe making it seem like such an impossible lost cause to influence us that there is no reason to even help??
And would helping the Ukranians really mean nuclear WW3? Maybe not. If Russia can have Belarus and Chechnya help them, why can't someone help Ukraine? If Putin started marching Ukranians into gas chambers and death camps, would we turn our backs and let it all happen again...???
NATO keeps saying we can't help because Ukraine is not in NATO. Even that is bullshit. If they were in NATO we would "have to" help, by treaty. But we certainly "could" if it was decided to be in our best interest or the world's best interest. We also have a policy of supporting and preserving freedom and democracy, sometimes just because it's the right thing to do. No??
I'm just saying it's obvious bullshit to say NATO can't help because Ukraine isn't in NATO, but then pretend the Baltics are next. If the Baltics are in any danger and they hold NATO protections, then everyone is in danger everywhere... and then maybe it is time to help the cause of freedom.
It doesn't have to mean nukes. Allied jets could fight in the skies over Ukraine.
How is that all so different from handing Ukranians javelins to blow up Russian tank crews. In for a penny, in for a pound.
And if Putin made the choice to escalate and expand out to attack the source of those allied planes.... then now or later, if that is the direction we think he would go, then now or later maybe we need to address this Russian threat if it's a real threat at all.
Right now the media blitz is that Russia is going to obliterate the people of Ukraine. And that we should be scared for our future if we intervene.
I am starting to think maybe we should be scared for our future if we dont.....
BamBam54
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Russian nukes staged in Belarus is no more danger than Russian missiles staged in Russia.
And no different than US missiles staged in Germany and Poland.
I'd say Iranian nukes are a far greater danger because they gave every intention and indication that they plan to use them...
And no different than US missiles staged in Germany and Poland.
I'd say Iranian nukes are a far greater danger because they gave every intention and indication that they plan to use them...
ax1
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So your saying publicly calling your nukes on high alert and getting another puppet government to take the time to change their laws to allow you to move them there isnt some type of planning to use them while bombing the crap out of a European country?
Im guessing since NATO has alot of anti-missile equipment in Poland and perhaps other countries that having them a little closer to Belarus can have a better strategic advantage.
I mean of course all this stuff can be bluff, but all this is happening really fast, the Russian economy is collapsing and we dont know for sure how a crazy guy will act if we do intervene.