Which cycle style for TRT

Joshinator

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I posted about getting left ventricular hypertrophy. This was dur to running mild cycles for prolonged time.
Given that im on trt, and thus will keep more gains after my cycle, should i run more intense but shorter cycles?

Im looking to run anadrol for 6-8 weeks, with liver tests at 6 weeks. And i want to keep the most gainz so im thinking i dont need to run prolonged cycles to solidify my gains since im on trt. Does this sound right to you guys? Or woukd there be more benefit to running longer cycles
 
One of the main contributors to LVH is hypertension, compound specifics aside.

Two of the main contributors to hypertension in our demographic are oral AAS, and "high" oil dosing.

If these premises are correct, the conclusion should be obvious. Longer, slower, lower.
 
^That's obviously a gross generalization and oversimplification.

To answer your question specifically in your case, you'd need to consider

*what compounds you were running
*did you run orals
*what doses were you considering "mild"
*what exactly was "prolonged"
*was blood pressure monitored regularly
*diet
*supplements
Etc

When you get a more accurate idea of what may have been contributing to your LVH and what you can do moving forward to minimize or even reduce further effects, then you can better assess what future risks you're prepared to take to achieve your goals, and what your specific longterm strategy will be.
 
Sorry, rambling off different sh1t as it comes to me while I'm at gym...

You'll max out hypertrophy at a given dose. Any dosing higher than that will add nothing more to lean tissue growth, but maybe transient effects like glycogen however that too will reach a saturation point where more AAS will be pointless. At those points, you'll be merely adding side effects for no benefit.

I've experimented with high/short blasts myself. Great for the temporary cosmetic look whilst on the blast, but ultimately not worth it.
 
Nac said:
Sorry, rambling off different sh1t as it comes to me while I'm at gym...

You'll max out hypertrophy at a given dose. Any dosing higher than that will add nothing more to lean tissue growth, but maybe transient effects like glycogen however that too will reach a saturation point where more AAS will be pointless. At those points, you'll be merely adding side effects for no benefit.

I've experimented with high/short blasts myself. Great for the temporary cosmetic look whilst on the blast, but ultimately not worth it.
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Not worth it why?
 
Joshinator said:
Not worth it why?
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There are limits as to how much muscle, actual non-transient muscle tissue, your body can accrue over time. Lots of variables are involved in determining the specifics of this, AAS dose is one of them. Once this ceiling is hit, adding more AAS won't do anything positive.

You simply won't, can't, cram 20 weeks worth of maximal growth into 6 or 8 or 10 weeks. The numbers are purely hypothetical but you won't grow any more in 8wks running 1500mg NPP, than you would in 20wks running a titrated dose 300-600. Well, no, in that 8wks you'd probably grow more heart thickness, plaque, and arterial stiffness if anything. And 4 weeks after dropping down to TRT again after 1500mg of NPP, you'll lose more transient fullness.

Now, sure, you may not always get "maximal growth" during a 20wk cycle because you're dosing is less extreme. But the idea is you're strategically trading *some* growth for...health!! That's the balance you want to strike. And it's tricky because it's something only the person can decide on, and it's tricky because there are no absolutes with any of these drugs (how much tren for how long will cause LVH? What about deca? Masteron? Orals?), etc etc

I've found out, for myself, being lean and blasting with "lower" doses and titrating up is more preferable. It makes no sense to go, OK, I'm gonna do a blast with deca, 500mg, and run that constant for 12weeks. Better strategy to increase gradually as the need arises. Or with a long ester you could preempt plateaus and just increase at certain time points.
 
Nac said:
There are limits as to how much muscle, actual non-transient muscle tissue, your body can accrue over time. Lots of variables are involved in determining the specifics of this, AAS dose is one of them. Once this ceiling is hit, adding more AAS won't do anything positive.

You simply won't, can't, cram 20 weeks worth of maximal growth into 6 or 8 or 10 weeks. The numbers are purely hypothetical but you won't grow any more in 8wks running 1500mg NPP, than you would in 20wks running a titrated dose 300-600. Well, no, in that 8wks you'd probably grow more heart thickness, plaque, and arterial stiffness if anything. And 4 weeks after dropping down to TRT again after 1500mg of NPP, you'll lose more transient fullness.

Now, sure, you may not always get "maximal growth" during a 20wk cycle because you're dosing is less extreme. But the idea is you're strategically trading *some* growth for...health!! That's the balance you want to strike. And it's tricky because it's something only the person can decide on, and it's tricky because there are no absolutes with any of these drugs (how much tren for how long will cause LVH? What about deca? Masteron? Orals?), etc etc

I've found out, for myself, being lean and blasting with "lower" doses and titrating up is more preferable. It makes no sense to go, OK, I'm gonna do a blast with deca, 500mg, and run that constant for 12weeks. Better strategy to increase gradually as the need arises. Or with a long ester you could preempt plateaus and just increase at certain time points.
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What about in the case of anadrol for example. Say i did 6 week anadrol blasts with a couple months inbetween blasts. Would that be less/more effective than doing a longer run of test @300mg a week? Or even npp @400mg a week?
 
Joshinator said:
What about in the case of anadrol for example. Say i did 6 week anadrol blasts with a couple months inbetween blasts. Would that be less/more effective than doing a longer run of test @300mg a week? Or even npp @400mg a week?
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My thoughts on orals are that they have utility, but very specific utility. That is, if you are seeking a quick and relatively transient change due to a goal such as a photoshoot, competition, or some such event. Otherwise, I don't believe there's anything you can achieve with oral AAS, that you can't with oils as far as body composition is concerned. At least for us non-professionals. Orals tend to be too much, too soon, with little post-use payoff. Maybe the only exceptions I'd personally make would be anavar or oral primo. Maybe.

If you're genuinely in this for the long haul, and wanting to reprioritise health, then short MAXIMUM GAINZZZ blasts emphasising AAS shouldn't be on your radar. Anything above your TRT will build more muscle than TRT. And you can still get MAXIMUM GAINZZZ by trading off using orals and high doses with being disciplined and healthy.
 
Nac said:
My thoughts on orals are that they have utility, but very specific utility. That is, if you are seeking a quick and relatively transient change due to a goal such as a photoshoot, competition, or some such event. Otherwise, I don't believe there's anything you can achieve with oral AAS, that you can't with oils as far as body composition is concerned. At least for us non-professionals. Orals tend to be too much, too soon, with little post-use payoff. Maybe the only exceptions I'd personally make would be anavar or oral primo. Maybe.

If you're genuinely in this for the long haul, and wanting to reprioritise health, then short MAXIMUM GAINZZZ blasts emphasising AAS shouldn't be on your radar. Anything above your TRT will build more muscle than TRT. And you can still get MAXIMUM GAINZZZ by trading off using orals and high doses with being disciplined and healthy.
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sounds like solid advice to me. Thanks!
 
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