greg232323
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Any recommendations about taking a pre workout with 11 - oxo? I started 2 days ago. 600mg a day and am feeling very tired. Should I add in a preworkout or just start the test booster with it?
very tired on 11-oxo - how to combat
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xR1pp3Rx
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lower your dose and pyramid up to the desired dose. You are modulating cortisol so it can have wide and varying side effects.
Usually with anabolics lethargy is brought on by dosing too high, this isnt what I would consider an anabolic as much as i consider it a cortisol lowering agent. <--- bro speak
that said it may be the same for you and is worth a shot.. lower to 3-400 for a few days and see if that improves it..
then work up from there
Usually with anabolics lethargy is brought on by dosing too high, this isnt what I would consider an anabolic as much as i consider it a cortisol lowering agent. <--- bro speak
that said it may be the same for you and is worth a shot.. lower to 3-400 for a few days and see if that improves it..
then work up from there
greg232323
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Im taking protex cycle assist also but I dont think that's supposed to help much with lethargy. Will hop on a pre workout at least prior to my workout.
greg232323
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Thanks for the advice. May have to try this
Ironpirate
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You should be taking something like dermacrine or 4 andro for the lethargy. Stimulants are probably going to cause more problems like ed and insomnia.
greg232323
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I wasnt really looking to stack as I had some issues when I was younger. I will stay away from the pre workout so I dont run into any other issues.
greg232323
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is the dermacrine or 4-ad just for a test booster? I have Kings Blood on hand, should I stack with that? Will the test booster help with the lethargy though?
nikosktm
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test booster will do nothing for lethargy.. keep it for pct imo.. 4 ad or epiandro is the best choice for lethargy i think.if you are on cutting epiandro will make you drier also. im using it now along with arimistane and i got veins everywhere with good diet off course
greg232323
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My questions would then be what is proper PCT? I have the kingsblood and rebirth for PCT since from research 11-oxo only required a otc pct. Does adding in epiandro require a serm or additional pct?
Ironpirate
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My suggestion would be that if you are not ready to run a proper aas cycle which includes Oct and pct than don't mess with anything that is hormonally suppressive. I think you should do way more research first no matter what you decide. There is no safe aas, all of them have pros and cons.
greg232323
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i have done alot of research on the 11-oxo and was under the impression that otc pct was more then enough at lower doses. I am also taking on cycle support with the protex. If this is not sufficient please let me know your thoughts.
I only ask about the epi andro and 4ad because it was suggested above. If kings blood test booster and rebirth as an otc pct is not enough please let me know.
Ironpirate
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I'll make it simple for you. If you take a steroid or anything that your body converts into a steroid your body will stop producing testosterone and in turn you will gradually have less estrogen as well. High dose or low dose is irrelevant, introducing any exogenous steroids into your body will cause your body to stop producing its own steroids.
greg232323
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I understand that. My research showed that 11-oxo was minimally suppressive and therefor an otc pct (kings blood + rebirth) would be sufficient. I am also taking my on cycle support to be safe on cycle. Do you disagree with this?
Ironpirate
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I don't know how I can make it any more clear. If you have any ? Please ask someone else. I obviously cannot get through to you. Have a good day.
greg232323
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I wish someone else would chime in because you have not answered any questions. I agree with you that all aas are surpressive and you will have less natural test and less estrogen. That is not my question. You have not given any suggestions on proper OCT or PCT.
If anyone else can give some input it would be appreciated. Thanks.
nikosktm
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epiandro is pretty mild . imo stack epiandro with 11 oxo and a pre workout and then run your kingsblood. do yyou have serm on hand?at 600 mg of 11 oxo i didnt noticed any suppression(with bloods off course )
greg232323
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no serm on hand.. i was running the 11-oxo solo because from my research a serm was not necessary. I have the kings blood and rebirth on hand for pct as of now. With 11-oxo solo at the 600mg i just feel very tired. If I added in something like epi-andro I was curious if the serm was needed or not. Was trying to stay mild and not use a serm if not needed.
nikosktm
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order stanoplex 300 and run one capsule pre workout( 300 mg epiandro)along with your 11 oxo. for 11 oxo serm is overkill. at least for me.. i didnt noticed any suppression. but everyone is different.epiandro is something like proviron.
greg232323
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also isnt epi andro just a test booster anyways?
I will look into it. Is epi-andro gonna cause any issues without a serm? Main concern is rebound gyno as I had issues with that when I was younger.
I will look into it. Is epi-andro gonna cause any issues without a serm? Main concern is rebound gyno as I had issues with that when I was younger.
nikosktm
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epiandro got anti e properties (a little ) but imo you should have a serm on hand for every cycle ,even for the mildest.on the other hand you are only two days in , how 11 oxo made you lethargic after only 2 days
greg232323
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not sure.. just feel a lot more tired lol. i think the rebound gyno is the issue more then getting it on cycle. I really didnt want to go the serm route. something about it worries me.
Maybe i will give the 11-oxo a few more days and see how i feel. read a bunch of people who ran it solo with just a oct pct and that seemed to be sufficient. Maybe cause i hopped right into 600mg i just need a few days to adjust.
nikosktm
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why you dont want to go with serm? for me 11 oxo gave me aggression and nice pumps.. no lethargy or other side effects
greg232323
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think i just want something mild to reduce the chances of getting gyno in the first place.. not have to take a serm to stop it from happening... i will give it a few more days and see how i feel. nothing is worth feeling shitty and messing up the body
thebigt
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i had a nice cycle of 11xt along with ultra hard...both androterone and epiandro convert to dht which helps control estrogen and androsterone is a natural AI.
greg232323
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Yea usually I have 300 mg at breakfast or lunch n the other 300mg with dinner around 6
cronikgains
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I've read many threads where ppl claimed rebirth was sufficient, especially for something like 11 oxo. Otherwise what's the point of the product if you still need a pharmaceutical serm? Just something else to spend money on????
I believe you should always have nolva or clomid on hand just in case, but what is up with rebirth??? Is it legit or not??
I believe you should always have nolva or clomid on hand just in case, but what is up with rebirth??? Is it legit or not??