Joepaul39’s Transdermal Trest Ace Superdrol cycle

Hyde said:
I like Smont’s idea of spending 8 weeks doing a mild cut if that’s your hearts desire, then reversing out of that.

Consider taking a slower healthier approach when you do - what about no orals, SARMs, or anything that hurts lipids for the first 6 weeks of the reverse blast? Just oils or transdermals that will allow some mild steady progression.

You don’t have to ensure you have a heart attack to achieve your physique goals, if you don’t want. Masteron is plenty affordable, but if you must stick to RC compounds there is desoxy test ace, dienelone, trestolone out there that at least avoid the first liver pass. My lipids were pretty bad on Dienelone, but S23 & TLB150 were involved so it could have likely been them as much or more, honestly. Pretty sure S23 is known for this.
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I agree I think for future12 week cycle next time I’m just gonna run transdermals only for the first 4 weeks (Trestolone, epiandeo,, and androsterone) and leave out the Sarms. After all what good are muscles for you when your in a coffin? 😂 I will get lipids tested too 4 weeks in to see HDL doesn’t take as much of nose dive as when on LGD and other Sarms. Save money that way too by leaving out the orals!! If I make good gains on just the transdermals than maybe for cycles after that I will stick with transdermals for 6 out of the 12 weeks. Thanks for the wise advice.
 
Hyde said:
I agree with you entirely, but I believe he’s trying to avoid scheduled compounds. If not, something like mast, primo, maybe eq or nandrolone makes more sense absolutely. I am strictly looking at stuff available from RCs with my previous comment.
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Ya am looking to avoid scheduled compounds, although here in Ohio it is kind of weird because the old school scheduled designers are not scheduled against Ohio state law so I do run designers that are Federal scheduled like Epistane and Superdrol.
 
Also going to only cut from now on on roids since I’m an old fart at 43 thus more prone to lose muscle cutting naturally. Probably do 12 week runs with 12 weeks off and the first 4 to 6 weeks transdermals only and just eat at maintenance when off for 12 weeks. Thanks for all the awesome advice @Smont and @Hyde and @Rad83 (via PM)! Been doing this 4 years now and still constantly learning! Guess that’s what life is all about it all areas really.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Also going to only cut from now on on roids since I’m an old fart at 43 thus more prone to lose muscle cutting naturally. Probably do 12 week runs with 12 weeks off and the first 4 to 6 weeks transdermals only and just eat at maintenance when off for 12 weeks. Thanks for all the awesome advice @Smont and @Hyde and @Rad83 (via PM)! Been doing this 4 years now and still constantly learning! Guess that’s what life is all about it all areas really.
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I've learned way more from the cycles I've screwed up and trust me I've screwed up plenty of them, but those failures taught me a lot more then my successful cycles.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Ya am looking to avoid scheduled compounds, although here in Ohio it is kind of weird because the old school scheduled designers are not scheduled against Ohio state law so I do run designers that are Federal scheduled like Epistane and Superdrol.
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You do understand that just because the state of Ohio didn't schedule them, that doesn't change the fact that they're still scheduled right?
.... Even if they (and you) are physically located in Ohio, they're still scheduled.
 
Renew1 said:
You do understand that just because the state of Ohio didn't schedule them, that doesn't change the fact that they're still scheduled right?
.... Even if they (and you) are physically located in Ohio, they're still scheduled.
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Yes but since they aren’t scheduled in the state police can’t arrest you. That’s where most steroid possession busts come from according to Rick Collins Legal Muscle book not Federal prosecution for possession. Similar to Marijuana possession convictions. Also never read of anyone getting a federal possession conviction for designers (not that it is impossible).
 
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JoePaul39 said:
Yes but since they aren’t scheduled in the state police can’t arrest you. That’s where most steroid possession busts come from according to Rick Collins Legal Muscle book not Federal prosecution for possession. Similar to Marijuana possession convictions. Also never read of anyone getting a federal possession conviction for designers (not that it is impossible).
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"Designers" are just steroids, and scheduled exactly the same as any other steroid.

I don't know of anyone (individual) who's ever been busted for "DSs".
But .... I can't think of any individual that I know that's ever been arrested for possessing ANY steroid.
.... And I know a Lot of people.

I have zero concerns about being busted by local, State, or Federal Authorities for possessing steroids.
 
Controlled deliveries hit the small guy a lot in Legal Muscle and Collins ends up representing them and tells of their stories in his book. It can happen regardless of if you have a concern regarding it, but probably a better chance of winning the lottery lol.
 
Also he has stories of police possession arrests usually by people dumb enough to drive around in the car with then and consent to a search.
 
JoePaul39 said:
Controlled deliveries hit the small guy a lot in Legal Muscle and Collins ends up representing them and tells of their stories in his book. It can happen regardless of if you have a concern regarding it, but probably a better chance of winning the lottery lol.
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Yep.
I have zero concerns (or hopes) that I'll hit the lottery, zero concerns that I'll be struck by lightning, and zero concerns that I'll be arrested for this.

Can they all happen?
Yes, because Literally anything CAN happen.
The question is .... Why would I be concerned about it.

So of course, I'm curious why you are ?

You can message me, if you don't want to post it here.
 
Hyde said:
I agree with you entirely, but I believe he’s trying to avoid scheduled compounds. If not, something like mast, primo, maybe eq or nandrolone makes more sense absolutely. I am strictly looking at stuff available from RCs with my previous comment.
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How bad do you think cycling transdermal trest without orals would **** up lipids less since it bypasses liver? I’m gonna get a lipid test 4 weeks in to find out. Also, I know longer cycles tend to produce more keepable gains. What do you you think of running 16 week cycles with the first 8 weeks being just trandermal trestolone, trt, and transdermal epiandro/Andrea steroids alone followed by adding in 8 weeks of orals at the end as a finisher and then taking 16 weeks off each time would be on lipids and as a plan for gains to be keepable while keeping oral usage to a minimum? And eat at maintenance for the 16 weeks off. If I did this it would mean I would only average 12 weeks of orals a year. Don’t know if the trest would remain beneficial for the full 16 weeks though so may just run it for like 12 of the 16?
 
JoePaul39 said:
How bad do you think cycling transdermal trest without orals would **** up lipids less since it bypasses liver? I’m gonna get a lipid test 4 weeks in to find out. Also, I know longer cycles tend to produce more keepable gains. What do you you think of running 16 week cycles with the first 8 weeks being just trandermal trestolone, trt, and transdermal epiandro/Andrea steroids alone followed by adding in 8 weeks of orals at the end as a finisher and then taking 16 weeks off each time would be on lipids and as a plan for gains to be keepable while keeping oral usage to a minimum? And eat at maintenance for the 16 weeks off. If I did this it would mean I would only average 12 weeks of orals a year. Don’t know if the trest would remain beneficial for the full 16 weeks though so may just run it for like 12 of the 16?
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I haven’t used Trest personally, and am not sure about how it generally effects lipids, if at all.

I’m not sure what you are asking regarding how that cycle structure sounds - are you asking if I think it would “work”, or what the longterm ramifications would be health-wise?

I think it would produce gains, for a time, but the issue with transdermal and oral cycles I got into is you ultimately can only take so much. I mean that applies to oils as well, but I ran out of road on oral/transdermal only cycles. You can only slather on so much cream, and you can only tolerate so many methyls and convert/process so many andros. I wasn’t gaining appreciably more and they were getting harder to handle. Oils I’ve barely scratched the surface - this will be the first cycle I’ve ever even gotten to 800+mg of combined weekly oil at any point, and I continue to make great gains.

As for health, who can say? The less methyl orals you use, the better. I would say 12 weeks a year and keeping them condensed to those 8 week blocks makes sense to me. They are a potent tool to break through training/size plateaus or elicit pronounced temporary physique or performance effects.
 
JoePaul39 said:
How bad do you think cycling transdermal trest without orals would **** up lipids less since it bypasses liver? I’m gonna get a lipid test 4 weeks in to find out. Also, I know longer cycles tend to produce more keepable gains. What do you you think of running 16 week cycles with the first 8 weeks being just trandermal trestolone, trt, and transdermal epiandro/Andrea steroids alone followed by adding in 8 weeks of orals at the end as a finisher and then taking 16 weeks off each time would be on lipids and as a plan for gains to be keepable while keeping oral usage to a minimum? And eat at maintenance for the 16 weeks off. If I did this it would mean I would only average 12 weeks of orals a year. Don’t know if the trest would remain beneficial for the full 16 weeks though so may just run it for like 12 of the 16?
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IMO, an important thing to look at here is what percentage of the year you're going to be on cycle. And (more importantly), what percentage of the year are your health markers going to be out of whack.
 
One last question for you bros. (Love soaking in the knowledge here). II assume the rule “never cut right after a bulk” lest you lose muscle would even apply if your on cycle? For example for a 12 week cycle you would never want to start the first 6 weeks bulking and then finish is with a 6 week cut regardless of the fact your on orals? Rather should cut first 6 weeks then bulk if you want to incorporate both into the same cycle. Thanks for all the help guys. There is power in numbers 😊! So thankful for this board.
 
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