What are some good pump supplements to stack with High Volume?

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Wondering what are some additional pump supplements I can add to High Volume? SNS Vaso 6 good for pumps too?
 
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Ive been using High Volume stacked with Prolific for 4 years now and its my go to pwo combo. Here in Europe High Volume is without agmatine as it is banned (go figure) so i use SNS GlycoPhase for my pre-workout meal to get the added agmatine. But adding SNS Vaso6 would be an awesome combo as well.

I also use CEL Epi-Plex with my pre-workout meal, ive read that some like to take it pre-workout for an enhanced pump.

If we go bare bones, add some sodium and carbs (like cyclic dextrin) to your pwo and the pumps will absolutely get enhanced.
 
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^ i agree looking at high volume .. i was going to suggest cel super swole but theres some overlapping ingridents and its a truly one scoop all you need supplement

to stack with HV .. glycophase w/ carb meal like mr muscle said .. epi plex ( one pre and and other dose 6-8 hrs apart for 8 weeks ) .. cel Anabolic Effect - not only a natural muscle builder but will provide great pumps due to mainly s7

solo ingridents i like sns vaso6 and s7
 

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^ i agree looking at high volume .. i was going to suggest cel super swole but theres some overlapping ingridents and its a truly one scoop all you need supplement

to stack with HV .. glycophase w/ carb meal like mr muscle said .. epi plex ( one pre and and other dose 6-8 hrs apart for 8 weeks ) .. cel Anabolic Effect - not only a natural muscle builder but will provide great pumps due to mainly s7

solo ingridents i like sns vaso6 and s7
Budget is kind of tight so can probably add in only one additional supplement so I would like it to be the best possible. Would it be Vaso 6? Is S7 even better? Never heard of it.
 
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Budget is kind of tight so can probably add in only one additional supplement so I would like it to be the best possible. Would it be Vaso 6? Is S7 even better? Never heard of it.
s7 is more newer to the marker .. i react well to both

but vaso6 has been in the game more, so for more sure thing i would go with that

is HV not providing enough pumps ? usually agmatine @ 1G alone is enough
 

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I would say try Vasoforce XT at half dose if stacked. That would last you 2 months and you would get to try Vaso6 and S7😉
 

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I would say try Vasoforce XT at half dose if stacked. That would last you 2 months and you would get to try Vaso6 and S7😉
Does Vasoforce XT have any overlapping ingredients with High Volume? That is basically Vaso 6, but with more ingredients?
 

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At half dose it would bring the agmatine to 1.5gm which is fine. Given you try the new formula, as they removed the glycerol.
 
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Budget is kind of tight so can probably add in only one additional supplement so I would like it to be the best possible. Would it be Vaso 6? Is S7 even better? Never heard of it.
I like VASO6 and S7, but if I had to pick one or the other, it would be VASO6. But you could go with VasoForce XT and it would supply both.

I would say try Vasoforce XT at half dose if stacked. That would last you 2 months and you would get to try Vaso6 and S7😉
Plus Agmatine, ActiGin, and AstraGin as well :)

Great suggestion.

Does Vasoforce XT have any overlapping ingredients with High Volume? That is basically Vaso 6, but with more ingredients?
Nothing that would interfere with anything.

VasoForce XT is a double dose of VASO6 (600 mg.), S7, Agmatine, ActiGin, and AstraGin.

I think you'd love the combination with High Volume.
 
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Do you guys really think pump products are worth it? I currently do beet root extract, electrolytes, simple carbs, creatine and I get really good pumps. Curious if anyone has tried something similar vs commercial pump products...
 

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I like VASO6 and S7, but if I had to pick one or the other, it would be VASO6. But you could go with VasoForce XT and it would supply both.



Plus Agmatine, ActiGin, and AstraGin as well :)

Great suggestion.



Nothing that would interfere with anything.

VasoForce XT is a double dose of VASO6 (600 mg.), S7, Agmatine, ActiGin, and AstraGin.

I think you'd love the combination with High Volume.
Bros you guys have sold me on Vasoforce XT. You have a discount code bro? That combined with High Volume may have better pumps then Cialis!! Especially is you throw some good roids into the mix occasionally 😂!
 

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Just picked up some Vasoforce XT. Think it would be safe to fully dose it with fully dosed 2 scoops High Volume?
 
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If you're looking for something that's not another pill or drink mix to run through your digestive tract, maybe consider Epichaos.
 
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Bros you guys have sold me on Vasoforce XT. You have a discount code bro? That combined with High Volume may have better pumps then Cialis!! Especially is you throw some good roids into the mix occasionally 😂!
I think you'll really enjoy it. I just did a coupon code vasoforce20 that will give 20% off for the next week on VasoForce XT and VasoForce Rush for anyone reading that would like to try it :)
 
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Just picked up some Vasoforce XT. Think it would be safe to fully dose it with fully dosed 2 scoops High Volume?
I think it would likely be safe too - the only issue I could possibly be would maybe be blood pressure going low with someone like me that is super sensitive to nitrates. You could start off with a half dose of High Volume and see how you like that combo.
 
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Epichaos (TD Epicatechin) gets consistent high reviews and feedback on the board.
I'm currently waiting on a couple of bottles right now.

#outfordelivery

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Epichaos (TD Epicatechin) gets consistent high reviews and feedback on the board.
I'm currently waiting on a couple of bottles right now.

#outfordelivery

:cool:


Oh I will look into this since Apex makes it. Their transdermal turmeric Helios got rid of m BPH at only once a day half dose and eliminated my tennis elbow. Epichaos is good for pumps too not just myostatin inhibiting?
 
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Oh I will look into this since Apex makes it. Their transdermal turmeric Helios got rid of m BPH at only once a day half dose and eliminated my tennis elbow. Epichaos is good for pumps too not just myostatin inhibiting?
For sure and the pump lasts way longer than most oral amino acids products.
 
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Oh I will look into this since Apex makes it. Their transdermal turmeric Helios got rid of m BPH at only once a day half dose and eliminated my tennis elbow. Epichaos is good for pumps too not just myostatin inhibiting?

Absolutely!!
 

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For sure and the pump lasts way longer than most oral amino acids products.
Will definitely give it a try after I run the Vasoforce XT. Very impressed with Helios (you should seriously go on Sharktank with it) and Epichaos is cheaper than Vasoforce Xt. Will be nice to compare the two. How does it stimulate pumps not being a nitrate? How long before preworkout you take it? Wish I had unlimited funds and would stack Epichaos, Vasoforce XT, and High Volume!!
 
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Is that the main reason you take it? You stack it with other pump supplements or use it solo?
It's one of the reasons I use it (TD Epichaos).
One of the main reasons that I use it is for Myoastatin control.

.... And Honestly ... I Feel a lot better when I'm using it.
Like, sense of well being is greatly improved.

Also, it ups my endurance.
It's just a great product.
 

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I think it would likely be safe too - the only issue I could possibly be would maybe be blood pressure going low with someone like me that is super sensitive to nitrates. You could start off with a half dose of High Volume and see how you like that combo.
Hey bro,

Got my Vasoforce XT today. Why does it say to take it on off days as well?
 
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Hey bro,

Got my Vasoforce XT today. Why does it say to take it on off days as well?
VasoForce XT is great for pumps, but it goes way beyond being just a pump product. It's weird, in the last few years, a lot of people have become so obsessed with pumps that they overlook what actual true performance enhancement is.

Plus, the benefits of nitric oxide enhancement go well beyond just pumps. Improved nitric oxide levels contribute to a wide range of both athletic and overall health benefits as well.

If you're using it just for pumps, taking it only on workout days is fine.

But if you're using it for true performance enhancement and a lot of the other overall health benefits, you would want to use it daily for best results.

Here are 2 good examples:
- If something is good for recovery, what days do you recover on? Both training and non-training days. But if you think about it, a lot of your recovery (and lean muscle growth) is done on your non-training days.
- What days do you want to improve nutrient delivery and partitioning for best body-composition results? Just workout days or every day?

Here's a quick ingredient breakdown of daily use benefits of the active ingredients:

Agmatine Sulfate:
- Agmatine Sulfate is great for pumps but is also good for a wide variety of other benefits including improved recovery, improved body-composition, nutrient partitioning, improved blood flow, and nootropic benefits.

VASO6:
- VASO6 is great for pumps but is also good for improved blood flow, enhanced recovery, nutrient deliver, supporting optimal blood pressure, erection quality, and more.

S7:
- S7 is unique in that it works differently than other nitric oxide boosters in that it works by triggering an increase in the body's own nitric oxide production. This can contribute to improved pumps but also improved blood flow, cardiovascular support, supporting optimal blood pressure levels, improved erection quality, and more. And since it works off increasing your body's own natural levels, it would be used daily for consistent results.

ActiGin:
- ActiGin is a branded ingredient shown in clinical studies to be a 3 in 1 performance aid focusing on - Energy, Endurance, and Recovery. It has been shown in clinical studies to increase endurance, VO2 Max, muscular energy (ATP production), and reduce inflammation in muscles. Studies indicate that ActiGin’s effects on improving endurance/stamina, energy, and recovery time in high intensity exercises may be due to its ability to preserve insulin receptors and glucose transporters on muscle membranes during intensive exercises to ensure a continuous supply of blood glucose into the muscle. Glucose is the fuel for muscle during intense exercise. Depletion of glucose had detrimental effects on the muscles ability to contract and work properly. There are senescent (deteriorating) cells in all human tissues including short lived endothelial cells (lifespan < 2 weeks) in blood vessels and tissues. ActiGin substantially reduced senescent cell population (mostly endothelial progenitor cells) of exercising skeletal muscle. Also, high intensity exercise acutely decreases satellite cell numbers due to increased demand on the nucleus for muscle regeneration and ActiGin completely attenuated acute satellite cell depletion. These findings suggest that ActiGin® effectively facilitates senescent cell clearance in contracting muscles and helps maintain muscle stem cell numbers during exercise to enhance high-intensity endurance performance. Basically, Actigin is designed to help you train harder, longer, and recover more effectively.
^^^ These studies were done on taking Actigin daily.


Here's a link to the product page for the full write up and more study details on ActiGin and the other ingredients in VasoForce XT:
 
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Every Vaso6 product that I've purchased over the past year or 2 has worked well enough for me to re order twice, some three times.

Although agmatine, arginine, cit mal all work for me, they give me headaches. I get the same if not better pumps w vaso 6 without the headache.

If I were to create the ultimate pump stack for 1 workout, I'd take a gram of agmatine, 3 vaso forceXT, and 5 or 6 Xgels.
 
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Will definitely give it a try after I run the Vasoforce XT. Very impressed with Helios (you should seriously go on Sharktank with it) and Epichaos is cheaper than Vasoforce Xt. Will be nice to compare the two. How does it stimulate pumps not being a nitrate? How long before preworkout you take it? Wish I had unlimited funds and would stack Epichaos, Vasoforce XT, and High Volume!!
That would be quite the stack!

Thank you for the vote of confidence on Helios!

Epichaos contains Epicatechin which can increase pumps by increasing Nitric Oxide and increasing skeletal muscle glucose uptake at the same time. Think N.O. enhancer and GDA in one product.
 

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That would be quite the stack!

Thank you for the vote of confidence on Helios!

Epichaos contains Epicatechin which can increase pumps by increasing Nitric Oxide and increasing skeletal muscle glucose uptake at the same time. Think N.O. enhancer and GDA in one product.
Nice study citations! You sold me on it it. I’m gonna try the triple stack of Vaso XT, High Volume, and Epichaos. I tried just the two for the first time today fully doses and it was equal to Cialis which is the best I have used for pumps.

How long before a workout do you take it for pumps? What is the ideal dosage? I’m gonna take it daily too as it is also a myostatin inhibitor!
 

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VasoForce XT is great for pumps, but it goes way beyond being just a pump product. It's weird, in the last few years, a lot of people have become so obsessed with pumps that they overlook what actual true performance enhancement is.

Plus, the benefits of nitric oxide enhancement go well beyond just pumps. Improved nitric oxide levels contribute to a wide range of both athletic and overall health benefits as well.

If you're using it just for pumps, taking it only on workout days is fine.

But if you're using it for true performance enhancement and a lot of the other overall health benefits, you would want to use it daily for best results.

Here are 2 good examples:
- If something is good for recovery, what days do you recover on? Both training and non-training days. But if you think about it, a lot of your recovery (and lean muscle growth) is done on your non-training days.
- What days do you want to improve nutrient delivery and partitioning for best body-composition results? Just workout days or every day?

Here's a quick ingredient breakdown of daily use benefits of the active ingredients:

Agmatine Sulfate:
- Agmatine Sulfate is great for pumps but is also good for a wide variety of other benefits including improved recovery, improved body-composition, nutrient partitioning, improved blood flow, and nootropic benefits.

VASO6:
- VASO6 is great for pumps but is also good for improved blood flow, enhanced recovery, nutrient deliver, supporting optimal blood pressure, erection quality, and more.

S7:
- S7 is unique in that it works differently than other nitric oxide boosters in that it works by triggering an increase in the body's own nitric oxide production. This can contribute to improved pumps but also improved blood flow, cardiovascular support, supporting optimal blood pressure levels, improved erection quality, and more. And since it works off increasing your body's own natural levels, it would be used daily for consistent results.

ActiGin:
- ActiGin is a branded ingredient shown in clinical studies to be a 3 in 1 performance aid focusing on - Energy, Endurance, and Recovery. It has been shown in clinical studies to increase endurance, VO2 Max, muscular energy (ATP production), and reduce inflammation in muscles. Studies indicate that ActiGin’s effects on improving endurance/stamina, energy, and recovery time in high intensity exercises may be due to its ability to preserve insulin receptors and glucose transporters on muscle membranes during intensive exercises to ensure a continuous supply of blood glucose into the muscle. Glucose is the fuel for muscle during intense exercise. Depletion of glucose had detrimental effects on the muscles ability to contract and work properly. There are senescent (deteriorating) cells in all human tissues including short lived endothelial cells (lifespan < 2 weeks) in blood vessels and tissues. ActiGin substantially reduced senescent cell population (mostly endothelial progenitor cells) of exercising skeletal muscle. Also, high intensity exercise acutely decreases satellite cell numbers due to increased demand on the nucleus for muscle regeneration and ActiGin completely attenuated acute satellite cell depletion. These findings suggest that ActiGin® effectively facilitates senescent cell clearance in contracting muscles and helps maintain muscle stem cell numbers during exercise to enhance high-intensity endurance performance. Basically, Actigin is designed to help you train harder, longer, and recover more effectively.
^^^ These studies were done on taking Actigin daily.


Here's a link to the product page for the full write up and more study details on ActiGin and the other ingredients in VasoForce XT:
Thanks for the post with good info. I’m gonna take it every day to get all the benefits!
 
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Thanks for the post with good info. I’m gonna take it every day to get all the benefits!
No problem at all. I'm glad to help in any way that I can.
 
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Nice study citations! You sold me on it it. I’m gonna try the triple stack of Vaso XT, High Volume, and Epichaos. I tried just the two for the first time today fully doses and it was equal to Cialis which is the best I have used for pumps.

How long before a workout do you take it for pumps? What is the ideal dosage? I’m gonna take it daily too as it is also a myostatin inhibitor!
Thank you for the kind words! I would say start by applying 1ml about an hour before you workout.
 
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VasoForce XT is great for pumps, but it goes way beyond being just a pump product. It's weird, in the last few years, a lot of people have become so obsessed with pumps that they overlook what actual true performance enhancement is.

Plus, the benefits of nitric oxide enhancement go well beyond just pumps. Improved nitric oxide levels contribute to a wide range of both athletic and overall health benefits as well.

If you're using it just for pumps, taking it only on workout days is fine.

But if you're using it for true performance enhancement and a lot of the other overall health benefits, you would want to use it daily for best results.

Here are 2 good examples:
- If something is good for recovery, what days do you recover on? Both training and non-training days. But if you think about it, a lot of your recovery (and lean muscle growth) is done on your non-training days.
- What days do you want to improve nutrient delivery and partitioning for best body-composition results? Just workout days or every day?

Here's a quick ingredient breakdown of daily use benefits of the active ingredients:

Agmatine Sulfate:
- Agmatine Sulfate is great for pumps but is also good for a wide variety of other benefits including improved recovery, improved body-composition, nutrient partitioning, improved blood flow, and nootropic benefits.

VASO6:
- VASO6 is great for pumps but is also good for improved blood flow, enhanced recovery, nutrient deliver, supporting optimal blood pressure, erection quality, and more.

S7:
- S7 is unique in that it works differently than other nitric oxide boosters in that it works by triggering an increase in the body's own nitric oxide production. This can contribute to improved pumps but also improved blood flow, cardiovascular support, supporting optimal blood pressure levels, improved erection quality, and more. And since it works off increasing your body's own natural levels, it would be used daily for consistent results.

ActiGin:
- ActiGin is a branded ingredient shown in clinical studies to be a 3 in 1 performance aid focusing on - Energy, Endurance, and Recovery. It has been shown in clinical studies to increase endurance, VO2 Max, muscular energy (ATP production), and reduce inflammation in muscles. Studies indicate that ActiGin’s effects on improving endurance/stamina, energy, and recovery time in high intensity exercises may be due to its ability to preserve insulin receptors and glucose transporters on muscle membranes during intensive exercises to ensure a continuous supply of blood glucose into the muscle. Glucose is the fuel for muscle during intense exercise. Depletion of glucose had detrimental effects on the muscles ability to contract and work properly. There are senescent (deteriorating) cells in all human tissues including short lived endothelial cells (lifespan < 2 weeks) in blood vessels and tissues. ActiGin substantially reduced senescent cell population (mostly endothelial progenitor cells) of exercising skeletal muscle. Also, high intensity exercise acutely decreases satellite cell numbers due to increased demand on the nucleus for muscle regeneration and ActiGin completely attenuated acute satellite cell depletion. These findings suggest that ActiGin® effectively facilitates senescent cell clearance in contracting muscles and helps maintain muscle stem cell numbers during exercise to enhance high-intensity endurance performance. Basically, Actigin is designed to help you train harder, longer, and recover more effectively.
^^^ These studies were done on taking Actigin daily.


Here's a link to the product page for the full write up and more study details on ActiGin and the other ingredients in VasoForce XT:
Would adding creatine to high volume make sense?
 
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Would adding creatine to high volume make sense?
Adding creatine daily always makes sense. But there isnt that much data on using it a specific time of day.
That being said... i add it to my High Volume but also my intra workout and my post workout.
 
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I've been adding another 4 grams of citrulline to high volume. 2 scoops giving me 4 grams seems low.
 
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I'm going to try eventually one scoop of HV with one scoop of vasoblitz as the profiles r different.
 

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Update- With the Epichaos added to the Vasoforce XT and combined with 2 scoops High Volume the pumps are better than even what I got with Cialis. I accidentally counted three scoops of high volume preworkout today, but didn’t want to waste it and poor it out so hopefully I don’t faint today’s workout or my muscles bust out of my arm!
 

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VasoForce XT is great for pumps, but it goes way beyond being just a pump product. It's weird, in the last few years, a lot of people have become so obsessed with pumps that they overlook what actual true performance enhancement is.

Plus, the benefits of nitric oxide enhancement go well beyond just pumps. Improved nitric oxide levels contribute to a wide range of both athletic and overall health benefits as well.

If you're using it just for pumps, taking it only on workout days is fine.

But if you're using it for true performance enhancement and a lot of the other overall health benefits, you would want to use it daily for best results.

Here are 2 good examples:
- If something is good for recovery, what days do you recover on? Both training and non-training days. But if you think about it, a lot of your recovery (and lean muscle growth) is done on your non-training days.
- What days do you want to improve nutrient delivery and partitioning for best body-composition results? Just workout days or every day?

Here's a quick ingredient breakdown of daily use benefits of the active ingredients:

Agmatine Sulfate:
- Agmatine Sulfate is great for pumps but is also good for a wide variety of other benefits including improved recovery, improved body-composition, nutrient partitioning, improved blood flow, and nootropic benefits.

VASO6:
- VASO6 is great for pumps but is also good for improved blood flow, enhanced recovery, nutrient deliver, supporting optimal blood pressure, erection quality, and more.

S7:
- S7 is unique in that it works differently than other nitric oxide boosters in that it works by triggering an increase in the body's own nitric oxide production. This can contribute to improved pumps but also improved blood flow, cardiovascular support, supporting optimal blood pressure levels, improved erection quality, and more. And since it works off increasing your body's own natural levels, it would be used daily for consistent results.

ActiGin:
- ActiGin is a branded ingredient shown in clinical studies to be a 3 in 1 performance aid focusing on - Energy, Endurance, and Recovery. It has been shown in clinical studies to increase endurance, VO2 Max, muscular energy (ATP production), and reduce inflammation in muscles. Studies indicate that ActiGin’s effects on improving endurance/stamina, energy, and recovery time in high intensity exercises may be due to its ability to preserve insulin receptors and glucose transporters on muscle membranes during intensive exercises to ensure a continuous supply of blood glucose into the muscle. Glucose is the fuel for muscle during intense exercise. Depletion of glucose had detrimental effects on the muscles ability to contract and work properly. There are senescent (deteriorating) cells in all human tissues including short lived endothelial cells (lifespan < 2 weeks) in blood vessels and tissues. ActiGin substantially reduced senescent cell population (mostly endothelial progenitor cells) of exercising skeletal muscle. Also, high intensity exercise acutely decreases satellite cell numbers due to increased demand on the nucleus for muscle regeneration and ActiGin completely attenuated acute satellite cell depletion. These findings suggest that ActiGin® effectively facilitates senescent cell clearance in contracting muscles and helps maintain muscle stem cell numbers during exercise to enhance high-intensity endurance performance. Basically, Actigin is designed to help you train harder, longer, and recover more effectively.
^^^ These studies were done on taking Actigin daily.


Here's a link to the product page for the full write up and more study details on ActiGin and the other ingredients in VasoForce XT:
I have now added back to my regiment Cialis daily 5 mg preworkout for Nitric Oxide benefits. Is there any benefit to conus taking Vasforce XT with it since they essentially do the same thing in regards to Nitric Oxide?
 
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I have now added back to my regiment Cialis daily 5 mg preworkout for Nitric Oxide benefits. Is there any benefit to conus taking Vasforce XT with it since they essentially do the same thing in regards to Nitric Oxide?
I've seen quite a few people say they take Cialis with VasoForce XT. I'm honestly the wrong person to ask because Cialis does nothing for me pump wise and actually makes me feel a bit off and ruins my workouts when I take it pre-workout haha.
 

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I've seen quite a few people say they take Cialis with VasoForce XT. I'm honestly the wrong person to ask because Cialis does nothing for me pump wise and actually makes me feel a bit off and ruins my workouts when I take it pre-workout haha.
Really? I’m surprised it is the best thing I have ever used for pumps outside of anabolic steroids lol.
 
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Really? I’m surprised it is the best thing I have ever used for pumps outside of anabolic steroids lol.
Something I say a lot in posts is that different things work different for different people. That’s one I know from experience. With cialis, my neck snd chest turn red and I get flushed and it’s more a distraction than a help for workouts.
 

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I've used SNS vaso 6 many times and it's amazing/intense for a pump. Usually all I need, with some himalayan salt added
 
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I've used SNS vaso 6 many times and it's amazing/intense for a pump. Usually all I need, with some himalayan salt added
Thank you for sharing. I love VASO6 as well. It's great for pumps and has such a wide variety of other potential benefits that sometimes get overlooked.
 
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VASO6 is a great product for improved blood flow and can have positive effects on circulation, cardiovascular health, blood pressure support, improved erection quality, and more.

We use 600 mg. of VASO6 in VasoForce XT along with Agmatine, S7, ActiGin, and AstraGin and some people use it only on workout days for increased pumps but many people us it as a daily use supplement because of its wide variety of health benefits.

We have offered VASO6 as a single ingredient product in a 30 capsule size for several years and due to the demand for it being used for other purposes and people using it daily, that's why we introduced the 120 capsule value size a couple months back.
 

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