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Haha. At Church someone told me that they didn't believe in evolution because "Pokemon isn't real," and "we can't just grow claws like Wolverine, or a longer neck to reach higher trees." He didn't know that evolution in actual science isn't Pokemon's "evolution," which is actually metamorphosis, and that evolution isn't some deliberate process to adapt ideally to external circumstances, it's a random process where genetic deviation and variation and nature team up to slowly and brutally kill off the least suited to survive while sparing the most suited, allowing these random but conditionally desirable variations to spread and reproduce and adapt over many, many hundreds or thousands of years. But if the Church taught him his whole life that "evolution is like Pokemon" then OF COURSE he'd say it's nonsense and immediately dismiss it without even looking into it further. Making a straw man to dismiss opposition and argue against something that doesn't even exist is a great way to indoctrinate people.

I read somewhere once that dumb people are less likely to believe the truth, but smart people are more likely to believe in fiction. The dumb people lack the knowledge to understand how a situation really works and that they don't work the way that THINK they are observing. The smart people often believe in falsehoods because they are able to come up with justifications to explain away discrepancies. It turns out, this makes smart people more likely to fall for scams.
 
There was a kid in my Architectural Engineering class that didn't believe the earth was millions/billions of years old, because of his bible stories. Deliberately overlooking everything he learned about basic earth science. No rivers creating the grand canyon, no mountains from tectonic plates, no dinosaurs. Bah.

Heck, I would have never let him graduate with an engineering degree.

The point being, that even the 911 truth engineering club can also be lost in fairy tales. There is a wacky fringe in every group...

Ok that’s great cool story, but WTC7 was a controlled demolition, anybody that thinks otherwise is retarded.
 
I get what you're saying, but there are some "facts" in that we know for a "fact" that some things are not true. So disproving a fact is sort of a fact in a way I suppose. Like we know the earth isn't flat. That is a fact. The shape of the earth is also a fact. That the earth isn't 4,000 years old is also a fact. EXACTLY how old it is isn't a fact, but that it is much older than 4,000 years is a fact. I think we surely agree on that haha.

I mostly agree with you, especially in day to day life. But on a crazy level, many scientists discuss our reality as potentially being a sheet of paper in a stack of papers...our perception of round and flat may be inaccurate even. But that gets way beyond the purposes of our discussion and I am just mentioning these things. I certainly would not describe the world as flat in daily life of course. We can agree.
 
Ok that’s great cool story, but WTC7 was a controlled demolition, anybody that thinks otherwise is retarded.
Because you found a group of Architects and Engineers (that are in a SMALL minority of engineers) who say so? I guess the vast majority of engineers are "retarded." Glad it's settled. Thank you.
 
Because you found a group of Architects and Engineers (that are in a SMALL minority of engineers) who say so? I guess the vast majority of engineers are "retarded." Glad it's settled. Thank you.

Yes, thats right....either that or they are just big government trolls.
 
I mostly agree with you, especially in day to day life. But on a crazy level, many scientists discuss our reality as potentially being a sheet of paper in a stack of papers...our perception of round and flat may be inaccurate even. But that gets way beyond the purposes of our discussion and I am just mentioning these things. I certainly would not describe the world as flat in daily life of course. We can agree.
Fair enough. Just like technically every object around you exerts a gravitational pull or force on you, and you on them, but it's so negligible that we're not really going to place any consideration on the gravitational pull the of the television on your wall is exerting on you, or you on it.
 
Yes, thats right....either that or they are just big government trolls.
Ah, you're replaced the classic "everyone I disagree with is a Nazi" with "everyone I disagree with is a retard or a big government troll." Truly the sequel we've all been waiting for.
 
Im willing to bet that the VAST majority of engineers are not even aware a 3rd building collapsed that day in Manhattan.
 
Ok that’s great cool story, but WTC7 was a controlled demolition, anybody that thinks otherwise is retarded.

Lol, I am a full fledged retard then.

You do realize that other bombs had been set off in the world trade center before, right? Why fly a plane into the buildings when you could have just used bombs again and still blamed Al Quaeda? It adds multiple layers of complexity to your plan, increasing the chance of failure, and makes it easier to expose the truth when things don't workout as they should.

I mean, as you have said, these pilots could have never pinpointed these targets - if it is so difficult, why risk it? What if these inexperienced pilots accidently fly into the building next door and then the WTC explodes? How suspicious would that have been?

Guess they are lucky that they all just got lucky and hit their intended targets, so the right buildings could come down. Or are you going to admit that your "you can't hit a target with a plane" part of the theory is flawed?
 
Lol, I am a full fledged retard then.

You do realize that other bombs had been set off in the world trade center before, right? Why fly a plane into the buildings when you could have just used bombs again and still blamed Al Quaeda? It adds multiple layers of complexity to your plan, increasing the chance of failure, and makes it easier to expose the truth when things don't workout as they should.

I mean, as you have said, these pilots could have never pinpointed these targets - if it is so difficult, why risk it? What if these inexperienced pilots accidently fly into the building next door and then the WTC explodes? How suspicious would that have been?

Guess they are lucky that they all just got lucky and hit their intended targets, so the right buildings could come down. Or are you going to admit that your "you can't hit a target with a plane" part of the theory is flawed?
Reminds me of this classic comic:
 

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Im willing to bet that the VAST majority of engineers are not even aware a 3rd building collapsed that day in Manhattan.

Oh, maybe they wired up a spare building just in case one of the pilots missed? And the guy with the control panel got confused and hit the third button by accident after the planes hit the other two? Makes sense now.
 
Ah, you're replaced the classic "everyone I disagree with is a Nazi" with "everyone I disagree with is a retard or a big government troll." Truly the sequel we've all been waiting for.

I spent alot of time on 9/11 last week which only re-enforced the facts, evidence and science showing it was clearly an inside job, so to be honest Ill be only trolling people from now on. Im just tired of the topic. Sorry.

Welcome back by the way, nice to have you around again :)
 
I was replying to the fact that you were acting like your link was the solution to my question when it wasn’t. Keep up and post something valuable
About thrusters in space? If you don't think that the link I provided there answers how thrusters can work in space, then you REALLY have ZERO grounds to talk conclusively on how the moon landing was faked. I've contributed ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE more "valuable" posts and comments to AM than you ever will buddy...
 
I spent alot of time on 9/11 last week which only re-enforced the facts, evidence and science showing it was clearly an inside job, so to be honest Ill be only trolling people from now on. Im just tired of the topic. Sorry.

Welcome back by the way, nice to have you around again :)
A WHOLE WEEK? Imagine what you can do in a month, or a year? You'll be able to get us to Mars and back if you put your mind to it!

But yeah, it's good to be back. Always in good fun with you. ;)
 
I was replying to the fact that you were acting like your link was the solution to my question when it wasn’t. Keep up and post something valuable

If you are talking about his link to explain how thrusters work, it DID explain how they work in space. A basic understanding of Newton's laws of Physics would allow you to arrive at the answer.

It isn't a knock, but you have large gaps in your understanding of basic laws it seems. You are definitely smart enough to understand these laws, so my guess is you haven't been exposed to a proper explanation of them.

But it is kind if frustrating when someone pretends to be able to explain something and obviously lacks some of the info, huh?

I spent alot of time on 9/11 last week which only re-enforced the facts, evidence and science showing it was clearly an inside job, so to be honest Ill be only trolling people from now on. Im just tired of the topic. Sorry.

Welcome back by the way, nice to have you around again :)

Ah, so you believe something, invested a lot of time in proving it to be true, of course you became more sure of it. Otherwise you would have invested all that time for nothing!
 
Ah, so you believe something, invested a lot of time in proving it to be true, of course you became more sure of it. Otherwise you would have invested all that time for nothing!

Finding out your wrong is also a gift.
 
Look at that. Biden is president and now even we are all fighting with each other. So much for Unity.

I also wonder if @muscleuprealizes how many times he uses bowling balls to explain physics?
 
I read somewhere once that dumb people are less likely to believe the truth, but smart people are more likely to believe in fiction. The dumb people lack the knowledge to understand how a situation really works and that they don't work the way that THINK they are observing. The smart people often believe in falsehoods because they are able to come up with justifications to explain away discrepancies. It turns out, this makes smart people more likely to fall for scams.

Did you just call me smart?

To answer some of your questions in previous posts (my goodness the volume of your messages) I don’t know what we have or haven’t done as there are a lot of things that make me very skeptic. I don’t think it’s as we have been told and I certainly don’t place any trust or hope in an overfunded government agency. Either they are keeping us dumbed down to what technology they have like Ax1 has eluded too, or they are making fools of us all.I think space is a way for escapism and false hope that is really sad to seen grown men put their faith in. There is way more evil and deceit in the world then people want to admit. No, I don’t think we have been to the moon for a ton of reasons, some of which I’ve already eluded to in previous posts. Yes we have been to very high altitudes but being in space as we have been told/shown has a lot of very big holes in it for it to be definitive for me.
 
Awesome just found out a new film on Building 7 is coming out soon!

Official trailer

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If you are talking about his link to explain how thrusters work, it DID explain how they work in space. A basic understanding of Newton's laws of Physics would allow you to arrive at the answer.

It isn't a knock, but you have large gaps in your understanding of basic laws it seems. You are definitely smart enough to understand these laws, so my guess is you haven't been exposed to a proper explanation of them.

But it is kind if frustrating when someone pretends to be able to explain something and obviously lacks some of the info, huh?



Ah, so you believe something, invested a lot of time in proving it to be true, of course you became more sure of it. Otherwise you would have invested all that time for nothing!
Exactly. The "stand on a skateboard and throw a bowling ball and you'll move backwards at least a bit" example they gave at the very beginning of the article demonstrates it fairly easily. I suppose perhaps a cannon recoiling back after firing a cannonball could demonstrate this as well? Conservation of momentum and all that.
 
Awesome just found out a new film on Building 7 is coming out soon!

Official trailer

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It's all from the same small group of people. You can post 700 links, if it's all from the same group, it's not really more compelling than just posting one from them.
 
Look at that. Biden is president and now even we are all fighting with each other. So much for Unity.

I also wonder if @muscleuprealizes how many times he uses bowling balls to explain physics?
I guess the people saying bowling alleys were essential businesses were right all along! They're educational! And spherical!
 

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Did you just call me smart?

To answer some of your questions in previous posts (my goodness the volume of your messages) I don’t know what we have or haven’t done as there are a lot of things that make me very skeptic. I don’t think it’s as we have been told and I certainly don’t place any trust or hope in an overfunded government agency. Either they are keeping us dumbed down to what technology they have like Ax1 has eluded too, or they are making fools of us all.I think space is a way for escapism and false hope that is really sad to seen grown men put their faith in. There is way more evil and deceit in the world then people want to admit. No, I don’t think we have been to the moon for a ton of reasons, some of which I’ve already eluded to in previous posts. Yes we have been to very high altitudes but being in space as we have been told/shown has a lot of very big holes in it for it to be definitive for me.
Yes, he's saying you're not dumb, so you should be able to understand what we're saying, you just seem not to want to. A healthy dose of skepticism is good, but past a certain point it's madness. Remaining firm in your convictions is admirable, but is only strength when it's based in reason. To paraphrase Epictetus, remaining firm in your convictions when they're shown to be inaccurate (see thrusters in space), if it is strength, it is the strength of a madman, and pitiable, not enviable.

But it's not just NASA "an overfunded government agency" that would be complicit in "pulling the wool over your eyes," it would also be EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD SINCE THEN, INCLUDING RUSSIA, CHINA, AND NORTH KOREA who would also have to refuse publicly declaring it to be fake and destroying the US public's trust in their government, media, and science. Again, PLEASE explain why Russia, China, and North Korea aren't exposing this blatant, decades long lie yet if YOU can. Surely the top minds in these three countries are smarter than you are, no?

You are not being dumb, you are being ignorant. Being dumb or not is often not in your control. But being ignorant is. Which makes remaining ignorant when not being dumb a true tragedy on your part.
 
It's all from the same small group of people. You can post 700 links, if it's all from the same group, it's not really more compelling than just posting one from them.

If your passionate about it I’m sure they will invite you to their next event...contact them.

And I will post their links 2.3 trillion more times I have no problem with that. And it’s not a small group in any way.
 
Finding out your wrong is also a gift.

Well, then itnis Christmas every day for us both!
Did you just call me smart?

To answer some of your questions in previous posts (my goodness the volume of your messages) I don’t know what we have or haven’t done as there are a lot of things that make me very skeptic. I don’t think it’s as we have been told and I certainly don’t place any trust or hope in an overfunded government agency. Either they are keeping us dumbed down to what technology they have like Ax1 has eluded too, or they are making fools of us all.I think space is a way for escapism and false hope that is really sad to seen grown men put their faith in. There is way more evil and deceit in the world then people want to admit. No, I don’t think we have been to the moon for a ton of reasons, some of which I’ve already eluded to in previous posts. Yes we have been to very high altitudes but being in space as we have been told/shown has a lot of very big holes in it for it to be definitive for me.

I don't think that believing that the government is not telling us everything, or that space can be a form of escapism is mutually exclusive of the idea that we actually did go to the moon.

In other words, we could have gone to the moon AND the government hasn't told us everything AND some people may escape reality by dreaming about space.

But you state that you don't believe we have gone to the moon and then use altitude issues as an argument suggesting we don't have the technology to survive in space? Do you not believe people have gone into space?
 
If your passionate about it I’m sure they will invite you to their next event...contact them.

And I will post their links 2.3 trillion more times I have no problem with that. And it’s not a small group in any way.
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Come on man. ;)

But it IS a small group. Their board of directors lists 6 people, 3 of whom are engineers (and PEs). The staff lists 2 more people, neither of whom are engineers. The lead volunteers lists 5 more people, none of whom are engineers. And the contributing authors lists 2 people, one of whom is an engineer.

So 4 engineers (of whom 3 are PEs) is a pretty small group in the context of the overall group of engineers and PEs.

Their IG claims "More than 3,000 architects & engineers call for a real investigation into the destruction of all 3 WTC skyscrapers on 9/11." But considering there are over 113,000 licensed architects in the US, and over 1.6 million engineers in the US

You have LESS THAN 0.2% of them showing support for this. That's 1 in 571. But without a full list of people who support it, I'm skeptical it's even that many. That's my conspiracy on a conspiracy. ;)
 
And of course I think you are smart @THOR 70 ! Everyone in here is.
 
Well, then itnis Christmas every day for us both!


I don't think that believing that the government is not telling us everything, or that space can be a form of escapism is mutually exclusive of the idea that we actually did go to the moon.

In other words, we could have gone to the moon AND the government hasn't told us everything AND some people may escape reality by dreaming about space.

But you state that you don't believe we have gone to the moon and then use altitude issues as an argument suggesting we don't have the technology to survive in space? Do you not believe people have gone into space?

I said at the end of my post it isn’t definitive to me. I didn’t say it clearly
 
*you're

Come on man. ;)

But it IS a small group. Their board of directors lists 6 people, 3 of whom are engineers (and PEs). The staff lists 2 more people, neither of whom are engineers. The lead volunteers lists 5 more people, none of whom are engineers. And the contributing authors lists 2 people, one of whom is an engineer.

So 4 engineers (of whom 3 are PEs) is a pretty small group in the context of the overall group of engineers and PEs.

Their IG claims "More than 3,000 architects & engineers call for a real investigation into the destruction of all 3 WTC skyscrapers on 9/11." But considering there are over 113,000 licensed architects in the US, and over 1.6 million engineers in the US

You have LESS THAN 0.2% of them showing support for this. That's 1 in 571. But without a full list of people who support it, I'm skeptical it's even that many. That's my conspiracy on a conspiracy. ;)

I am skeptical of math. Can you prove that 1 divided by 571 actually is 0.2%? You probably only believe that because you put it in your calculator, which of course is using the info the government gave us.
 
I said at the end of my post it isn’t definitive to me. I didn’t say it clearly

I wasn't clear if you meant going to the moon or going to outer space was in question.

What do you think about all the televised rockets being shot into space? Are we just staging videos of people and still going through the expense to launch the rockets? And if you believe that, what happened to the crew of the Challenger? Was the entire thing a ploy to cover up the government assassination of a teacher from New Hampshire?
 
Now that I think of it, those teachers unions are pretty sketchy. Maybe she didn't take a sick day?
 
I wasn't clear if you meant going to the moon or going to outer space was in question.

What do you think about all the televised rockets being shot into space? Are we just staging videos of people and still going through the expense to launch the rockets? And if you believe that, what happened to the crew of the Challenger? Was the entire thing a ploy to cover up the government assassination of a teacher from New Hampshire?
You know Big Bird was almost on the Challenger. I think this whole thing was a plot to assassinate Big Bird, but he got wind of the plan, and managed to survive:

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Yes, he's saying you're not dumb, so you should be able to understand what we're saying, you just seem not to want to. A healthy dose of skepticism is good, but past a certain point it's madness. Remaining firm in your convictions is admirable, but is only strength when it's based in reason. To paraphrase Epictetus, remaining firm in your convictions when they're shown to be inaccurate (see thrusters in space), if it is strength, it is the strength of a madman, and pitiable, not enviable.

But it's not just NASA "an overfunded government agency" that would be complicit in "pulling the wool over your eyes," it would also be EVERY OTHER GOVERNMENT IN THE WORLD SINCE THEN, INCLUDING RUSSIA, CHINA, AND NORTH KOREA who would also have to refuse publicly declaring it to be fake and destroying the US public's trust in their government, media, and science. Again, PLEASE explain why Russia, China, and North Korea aren't exposing this blatant, decades long lie yet if YOU can. Surely the top minds in these three countries are smarter than you are, no?

You are not being dumb, you are being ignorant. Being dumb or not is often not in your control. But being ignorant is. Which makes remaining ignorant when not being dumb a true tragedy on your part.

No, I was in your camp my whole life (indoctrination) and once
I listened to other camps with an open mind it became clear that things aren’t so straight forward like you like to tell yourself. You do realize that you not digging into my viewpoints thoroughly, and just quickly dismissing/rebutting with ego and pride, makes you ignorant right? Cognitive dissonance is real.

Your whole questioning is based off of the assumption that the world governments can’t ever do something in unity and that it always has to “us vs them”. I get why it seems improbable to you, but it’s not impossible.
 
*you're

Come on man.

But it IS a small group. Their board of directors lists 6 people, 3 of whom are engineers (and PEs). The staff lists 2 more people, neither of whom are engineers. The lead volunteers lists 5 more people, none of whom are engineers. And the contributing authors lists 2 people, one of whom is an engineer.

So 4 engineers (of whom 3 are PEs) is a pretty small group in the context of the overall group of engineers and PEs.

Their IG claims "More than 3,000 architects & engineers call for a real investigation into the destruction of all 3 WTC skyscrapers on 9/11." But considering there are over 113,000 licensed architects in the US, and over 1.6 million engineers in the US

You have LESS THAN 0.2% of them showing support for this. That's 1 in 571. But without a full list of people who support it, I'm skeptical it's even that many. That's my conspiracy on a conspiracy. ;)

As I said all you need is 7 seconds and a little common sense.
 
*you're

Come on man.

But it IS a small group. Their board of directors lists 6 people, 3 of whom are engineers (and PEs). The staff lists 2 more people, neither of whom are engineers. The lead volunteers lists 5 more people, none of whom are engineers. And the contributing authors lists 2 people, one of whom is an engineer.

So 4 engineers (of whom 3 are PEs) is a pretty small group in the context of the overall group of engineers and PEs.

Their IG claims "More than 3,000 architects & engineers call for a real investigation into the destruction of all 3 WTC skyscrapers on 9/11." But considering there are over 113,000 licensed architects in the US, and over 1.6 million engineers in the US

You have LESS THAN 0.2% of them showing support for this. That's 1 in 571. But without a full list of people who support it, I'm skeptical it's even that many. That's my conspiracy on a conspiracy. ;)

Even the owner openly admitted he made a call to pull the building, then they had everyone back up in the streets because it was going to blow up...and NYC’s emergency coordinator the last man in the building said they were bombs being set off while he was inside it. They killed him for talking.
 
No, I was in your camp my whole life (indoctrination) and once
I listened to other camps with an open mind it became clear that things aren’t so straight forward like you like to tell yourself. You do realize that you not digging into my viewpoints thoroughly, and just quickly dismissing/rebutting with ego and pride, makes you ignorant right? Cognitive dissonance is real.

Your whole questioning is based off of the assumption that the world governments can’t ever do something in unity and that it always has to “us vs them”. I get why it seems improbable to you, but it’s not impossible.
You asked about thrusters in space, and I provided a link with an example, and then provided another example, and you STILL maintain that the link and I didn't explain it. Either you are incapable of understanding it, which multiple people here doubt, or you are choosing to ignore it and feign ignorance, which I'd argue is worse. You saying I am the one displaying "cognitive dissonance" here is great! You must have an amazing view from that glass mansion of yours my friend. YOU can't grasp how thrusters can work in space despite an article on the topic and MULTIPLE real-world examples, including one you can replicate yourself without too much difficulty, yet YOU maintain that the question has not been sufficiently answered. No. It has, you just cannot, or will not, accept it.

As to thinking that the US, China, Russia, and North Korea have ALL been in cahoots for the last 50 years on this despite the COLD WAR and threats of nuclear war is some Olympic level mental gymnastics. There was a literal SPACE RACE and you're asserting that the loser of the race KNEW the winner cheated and never really won, but just let it slide and told no one for 50 YEARS?
 
*you're

Come on man.

But it IS a small group. Their board of directors lists 6 people, 3 of whom are engineers (and PEs). The staff lists 2 more people, neither of whom are engineers. The lead volunteers lists 5 more people, none of whom are engineers. And the contributing authors lists 2 people, one of whom is an engineer.

So 4 engineers (of whom 3 are PEs) is a pretty small group in the context of the overall group of engineers and PEs.

Their IG claims "More than 3,000 architects & engineers call for a real investigation into the destruction of all 3 WTC skyscrapers on 9/11." But considering there are over 113,000 licensed architects in the US, and over 1.6 million engineers in the US

You have LESS THAN 0.2% of them showing support for this. That's 1 in 571. But without a full list of people who support it, I'm skeptical it's even that many. That's my conspiracy on a conspiracy. ;)

And again, I’d bet 2.3 trillion dollars most of these 113,000 are not even aware a 3rd building collapsed that same day in its own footprint at free fall speed, and are not aware that NIST didn’t even bother testing the crime scene for explosives, the most likely cause of demolition.

WTC7 collapsing the way it did via fires and bricks falling into it is completely impossible. This building housed the CIA and IRS, it’s not built in a 3rd world country and no steel structure building ever collapsed in the same manner from fires. Impossible is impossible.
 
And again, I’d bet 2.3 trillion dollars most of these 113,000 are not even aware a 3rd building collapsed that same day in its own footprint at free fall speed, and are not aware that NIST didn’t even bother testing the crime scene for explosives, the most likely cause of demolition.

WTC7 collapsing the way it did via fires and bricks falling into it is completely impossible.
The 113,000 are architects though, so probably not qualified to speak on structural engineering. I guess we'd have to see what percent of structural/civil engineers are among those "3000+" people and do that math that way. Why'd you pick the smaller number of less-relevant people and not the larger number of engineers? And I KNOW neither of us have even even a fraction of 2.3T to bet haha.
 
The 113,000 are architects though, so probably not qualified to speak on structural engineering. I guess we'd have to see what percent of structural/civil engineers are among those "3000+" people and do that math that way. Why'd you pick the smaller number of less-relevant people and not the larger number of engineers? And I KNOW neither of us have even even a fraction of 2.3T to bet haha.

There is much more but I covered a lot of it last week you can check, not that I think you care to look at all the evidence and science ...and as I said to think building 7 fell in some candle fires from utterly retarded.
 
No, I was in your camp my whole life (indoctrination) and once
I listened to other camps with an open mind it became clear that things aren’t so straight forward like you like to tell yourself. You do realize that you not digging into my viewpoints thoroughly, and just quickly dismissing/rebutting with ego and pride, makes you ignorant right? Cognitive dissonance is real.

Your whole questioning is based off of the assumption that the world governments can’t ever do something in unity and that it always has to “us vs them”. I get why it seems improbable to you, but it’s not impossible.

How much actual observation of the government have you made? What makes you believe they could do anything effectively and efficiently, in unison with another government and keep it a secret? Have you been to the RMV? Ordered something that was shipped by USPS? Needed healthcare in the past decade?

Not saying they don't try, or that it is not possible...but come on man. The government cannot run ANYTHING well, nevermind a secret scam like this haha.

Nah, in reality I agree with a lot of where you are coming from but I believe the evidence of the space stuff is pretty clear.

The 113,000 are architects though, so probably not qualified to speak on structural engineering. I guess we'd have to see what percent of structural/civil engineers are among those "3000+" people and do that math that way. Why'd you pick the smaller number of less-relevant people and not the larger number of engineers? And I KNOW neither of us have even even a fraction of 2.3T to bet haha.

But architects ARE qualified to say it the building fell in an aesthetically pleasing fashion or not, right?
 
The 113,000 are architects though, so probably not qualified to speak on structural engineering. I guess we'd have to see what percent of structural/civil engineers are among those "3000+" people and do that math that way. Why'd you pick the smaller number of less-relevant people and not the larger number of engineers? And I KNOW neither of us have even even a fraction of 2.3T to bet haha.

What candle fire destroying steel structure building theorist engineers you talking about? How big is that group? 3 or 4? Do they wear tinfoil hats or work for the Pentagon? And are they aware the government didn’t even check for explosive materials at a terrorist crime scene with many witnesses including first responders account t today there were multiple bombs and explosions?

Any engineer who took a close look at what happened to building 7 and think it pulverized from candle fires should be stripped of their license.
 
You asked about thrusters in space, and I provided a link with an example, and then provided another example, and you STILL maintain that the link and I didn't explain it. Either you are incapable of understanding it, which multiple people here doubt, or you are choosing to ignore it and feign ignorance, which I'd argue is worse. You saying I am the one displaying "cognitive dissonance" here is great! You must have an amazing view from that glass mansion of yours my friend. YOU can't grasp how thrusters can work in space despite an article on the topic and MULTIPLE real-world examples, including one you can replicate yourself without too much difficulty, yet YOU maintain that the question has not been sufficiently answered. No. It has, you just cannot, or will not, accept it.

As to thinking that the US, China, Russia, and North Korea have ALL been in cahoots for the last 50 years on this despite the COLD WAR and threats of nuclear war is some Olympic level mental gymnastics. There was a literal SPACE RACE and you're asserting that the loser of the race KNEW the winner cheated and never really won, but just let it slide and told no one for 50 YEARS?

Sorry I’ll go throw a ball next time I’m skateboarding in a vacuum 🤪
 
How much actual observation of the government have you made? What makes you believe they could do anything effectively and efficiently, in unison with another government and keep it a secret? Have you been to the RMV? Ordered something that was shipped by USPS? Needed healthcare in the past decade?

Not saying they don't try, or that it is not possible...but come on man. The government cannot run ANYTHING well, nevermind a secret scam like this haha.

Nah, in reality I agree with a lot of where you are coming from but I believe the evidence of the space stuff is pretty clear.



But architects ARE qualified to say it the building fell in an aesthetically pleasing fashion or not, right?
Lol. It's wild, considering not only would most architects not be qualified to speak definitively and authoritatively on catastrophic structural collapse and failure, but neither would most engineers. And of those engineers, only some are civil engineers. And even most of them don't specialize in structural engineering. And even fewer are forensic structural engineers.

But a LOT more people watch YouTube videos. ;)
 
You don't have to be in a vacuum to test out the skateboard example... you keep digging that hole of what I hope is feigned ignorance deeper man...

You’re right. You have to be on the ground on earth because humans can’t survive in a vacuum, and probably can’t travel in one either.

Next topic for you. Gravity is a theory. Not a fact. Hope you don’t lose sleep over this fact.
 
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