ax1
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Wow, forgot about that one....cant even remember the speculations about that, lol
Say something about that a little.
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Wow, forgot about that one....cant even remember the speculations about that, lol
Say something about that a little.
BamBam54
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Muslim pilot turns off transponders and goes crazy high (likely killing all passengers by oxygen deprivation) then crazy low out to sea dodging all radars.
Engine tracking signals have it going one of two opposite directions, and experts think it was likely out over the ocean to eventually run out of gas and crash. Suicide mission with touch of Allah akbar.
Never found floating wreckage or bodies. Maybe just a small piece on a beach. Never found black box or wreckage on ocean floor. Tons of hours searching with robot subs.
One theory is maybe lithium batteries in cargo gassed everyone to death and autopilot carried it until crash.
But pilots crazy moves and change of direction (and home simulator where he practiced short runway landings) makes it super suspicious!!
Engine tracking signals have it going one of two opposite directions, and experts think it was likely out over the ocean to eventually run out of gas and crash. Suicide mission with touch of Allah akbar.
Never found floating wreckage or bodies. Maybe just a small piece on a beach. Never found black box or wreckage on ocean floor. Tons of hours searching with robot subs.
One theory is maybe lithium batteries in cargo gassed everyone to death and autopilot carried it until crash.
But pilots crazy moves and change of direction (and home simulator where he practiced short runway landings) makes it super suspicious!!
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thebigt
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the way technology has advanced i'm surprised there isn't gps tracking on black boxes?
or is there?
ax1
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How well do gps devices work in the deepest parts of the ocean?
BamBam54
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The MH370 incident was super shady because the pilot had a home flight simulator and when the FBI investigated they found much of the data had been erased. I thought the FBI were experts at recovering deleted data? So does this mean he super-scrubbed the home flight simulator to avoid detection, which then looks even more criminal !!
According to this report, the FBI recovered a few data points that indicate a suicide flight out to sea similar to the actual flight.
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But (1) why go through all that to hijack a plane and passengers, just to plunk it into the ocean never to be found again (2) why travel thousand miles out into the ocean when the suicide would be the same in any part of the ocean much closer (3) it's super rare for a plane to go into the ocean without breaking up on impact leaving a large debris field. It's as if this plane did a perfect Olympic dive with a tiny splash remaining perfectly intact to the bottom of the deepest deepest waters?? Weird.
According to this report, the FBI recovered a few data points that indicate a suicide flight out to sea similar to the actual flight.
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But (1) why go through all that to hijack a plane and passengers, just to plunk it into the ocean never to be found again (2) why travel thousand miles out into the ocean when the suicide would be the same in any part of the ocean much closer (3) it's super rare for a plane to go into the ocean without breaking up on impact leaving a large debris field. It's as if this plane did a perfect Olympic dive with a tiny splash remaining perfectly intact to the bottom of the deepest deepest waters?? Weird.
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BamBam54
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@ax1 must have shared some tin foil-eh?
The regular story is plenty shady even without the tin foil. But yeah, I was all in on conspiracies when that plane went missing... and would not have been surprised if that missing plane turned up again on a future jihadi mission!! LOL
The full blown Ax1 level conspiracy guys had the story connected to some invisibility cloaking device known to some passengers.
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ax1
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Well full blown is a little extreme, lol
What do you think of the Christmas bomber? Witnesses including a lawyer (who was heavily censored on CiaNN) that was on line waiting to board saw a well dressed man got the bomber through security clearance cutting the whole line without no passport or ID check.
ax1
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Yes, 2009 different, I remember that year because I remember where I was.
BamBam54
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Oooooh, the infamous "underwear bomber"!
I don't have any conspiracy thoughts on that one. It's around the time that Al'Queda was making weird bombs to slip through detection... shoe bombs, ink cartridges, computers, baby milk bombs. Remember all those TSA alerts? So I am not surprised about an underwear bomb. And it fizzled!! Sloppy bomber, sloppy 3rd world tech. Seems legit.
He boarded in Amsterdam. The Dutch say he had a passport, but either way I would not be surprised if someone got bribed to put him on a flight. Doesnt need to be CIA. Just any low paid screening agent looking for a quick buck. Nothing screams conspiracy on that one, in my opinion.
BUT --- if I had to wear a big tin foil helmet, it's for Flight 587 out of NY. What do you think about that one??!?!?
I don't have any conspiracy thoughts on that one. It's around the time that Al'Queda was making weird bombs to slip through detection... shoe bombs, ink cartridges, computers, baby milk bombs. Remember all those TSA alerts? So I am not surprised about an underwear bomb. And it fizzled!! Sloppy bomber, sloppy 3rd world tech. Seems legit.
He boarded in Amsterdam. The Dutch say he had a passport, but either way I would not be surprised if someone got bribed to put him on a flight. Doesnt need to be CIA. Just any low paid screening agent looking for a quick buck. Nothing screams conspiracy on that one, in my opinion.
BUT --- if I had to wear a big tin foil helmet, it's for Flight 587 out of NY. What do you think about that one??!?!?
thebigt
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when the mob attacked a police station in minneapolis kamala harris said 'they aren't going to let up, they should not let up' sounds like she was advocating violence to me, although snopes as usual is running interference for her, and they call fox biased-snopes is as biased as cnn.
ax1
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It does scream conspiracy because it was exposed and heavily shut down by government officials and MSM and nothing was investigated as to what happened.
And you really bought into all that BS about shoe bombs and baby milk bombs? LMFAO!!!!
ax1
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Dont tell me you think Bareback Hussein Obobo took out Al-CIA-EDA leader Obozo Bin Roddin????
ax1
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Cant be detected by what? Naked body scanners?
ax1
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Dump supporters are designated as "terrorists" if they dont repent voting sins and give minorities a share of their equity, so therefore 75 million people are not "American."
ax1
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I remember one of the developers of the Naked Body scanners demonstrated how to sneak a real gun right through.
BamBam54
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You don't believe Bin Laden was shot dead?? Do you not believe the Seals stormed his hideout? Do you think they were able to capture him alive? And you believe two helicopters full of seals and part of an aircraft carrier crew were able to keep that a secret?!?!?
Do you think they have Bin Laden alive and locked up with 2.3 trillion in stolen gold??
Where do you stand on the moon landing?
ax1
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that motherf*cking draft dodger got 5 deferments to get out of going to vietnam---he is the 'not' american.
said he had asthma...but yet he was a lifeguard and keeps challenging everyone to pushup contests, what a
Nothing lower than a draft dodger who for half a century had no problems sending our kids overseas.
ax1
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No, show me the evidence?? Threw him in the ocean out of respect?? LMFAAAAOOOO!!!!!
WTF cant believe people still believe this crap.
Its possible that they captured him alive, if he is the #1 the last thing you want to do is kill him. You would bring him in for questioning and interrogation. He has information to other terrorists and probably much more.
But medically he probably died shorty after 2002.....but if he did live they would take him in, not kill him.
And a group of Seal Team 6 were assassinated after that in Afghanistan BTW.
And yes, I would say more than likely we did go to the moon in '69, 99% on that.
Jiigzz
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TheFlightChannel has a good video on 587. From what I remember, the flight got caught up in wake turbulence and the FO tried to correct it using excessive rudder movements causing the tail to sheer off.
Apparently it was in the manual that to correct for wake turbulence you use the rudder.
ax1
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And as I said a group of Seal Team 6 were assassinated.
And the way the military works, if you dont keep a secret you end up like Pat Tillman.
ax1
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What convinced me when someone told Buzz Aldrin that, Buzz clobbered him, LOL
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ax1
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Id pay 2.3 hundred dollars to see that!
BamBam54
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What makes Flight 587 my own tin foil conspiracy is the timing and unusual plane coming apart in mid air like that....
Think Sept 2001 the big 9/11 airplane hijacking, then Nov 2001 Flight 587 leaves NY and its wings fall off killing over 260 people... then December 2001 the plane attack with Richard Reid the "shoe bomber". Who was sitting near the wings to blow them off.
I often wonder if Richard Reid was the SECOND shoe bomber. Reid got on the plane and was able to try and light his shoe bombs easy enough. Maybe the first attempt was a month earlier and successfully took Flight 587 down?? Some witnesses reported an explosion before the crash. But you would have to go through the passenger manifest to see if that pans out. Muslim dude sitting near the wings with a one way ticket maybe??? Suspicious enough to investigate further...
thebigt
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are you sure we haven't?Zero chance we went to the moon. Think of the tech we have now? We would have been back countless times and colonized that bish. NASA employees on record saying they lost the technology to go to the moon again
ax1
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LMFAOOOO Richard Read? I totally forgot about him, you take this patsy crackhead as a terrorist????? LLMMMFFFFAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
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ax1
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I think where they lacked in tech back then they made up with alot more quality brains.
ax1
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Now what I wanna know is everything Buzz knows, because every time he says some shyt they get him to shut up.
sammpedd88
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blackirish36
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I believe he was going to blow the whistle on American troops being used to guard the newly re-established Afghani poppy fields. The Taliban had basically burned down Afghanistan's opium/heroin trade, and the intelligence agencies were eager to rebuild that income stream.
sammpedd88
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So, who exactly would be used to guard the poppy fields? I’m not trying to be a dick....just trying to understand why people think his death has a deep conspiracy connected to it.