thebigt
Legend
wow...color me surprised...i could set my clock with your predictability
Donald Trump running for president
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ax1
Legend
Out of all the battles I fought on this forum, the one I wish I lost the most was the 9/11 one.
blackirish36
Member
What a frustrating conversation.
The facts are these. Businesses have a staffing budget. An increase in the minimum wage will automatically result in a reduction in workforce. A fast food restaurant that employs ten people at $8/hr will be forced to immediately lay off about four of those ten if they are forced to pay $15/hr. In order to rehire those four people, their revenue will have to increase dramatically.
Now, in an economy that has a relatively high average starting wage, say $13/hr, the rise to $15 will result in a relatively small reduction in workforce. In small towns with low cost of living, raising the minimum wage to $15 would be catastrophic. It may end the towns existence.
Minimum wage should be a state, or even a municipal issue. The economic realities even within a small geographical area can be wildly divergent, so a mandate enforced nationwide is a bad idea.
I hold a degree in Economics, by the way.
The facts are these. Businesses have a staffing budget. An increase in the minimum wage will automatically result in a reduction in workforce. A fast food restaurant that employs ten people at $8/hr will be forced to immediately lay off about four of those ten if they are forced to pay $15/hr. In order to rehire those four people, their revenue will have to increase dramatically.
Now, in an economy that has a relatively high average starting wage, say $13/hr, the rise to $15 will result in a relatively small reduction in workforce. In small towns with low cost of living, raising the minimum wage to $15 would be catastrophic. It may end the towns existence.
Minimum wage should be a state, or even a municipal issue. The economic realities even within a small geographical area can be wildly divergent, so a mandate enforced nationwide is a bad idea.
I hold a degree in Economics, by the way.
ax1
Legend
Welcome to the thread!
thebigt
Legend
you are forgetting that the companies that will move starting wage from $13 to $15 will now have to pay more experienced employees who were making $15 a increase to $17 and on up the ladder.
blackirish36
Member
To Jiigzz point about inflation; he is absolutely right. The methods used to calculate inflation are absolutely asinine. The CPI is manipulated by replacing goods that are increasing in cost with inferior alternatives to show no inflation. EG, replacing sirlion steak with chuck roast, and then replacing chuck roast with ground beef in order to show no inflation in beef. We all know that the cost of food, power, housing, etc are rising. The government manipulates the numbers.
blackirish36
Member
We would hope that would happen, but companies may just force the slightly higher paid employees to eat it, so to speak.
thebigt
Legend
numbers and statistics have become almost worthless---it's like a good accountant doing creative accounting, the only ones who know it's faulty are other accountants and if all accountants are in the game....
blackirish36
Member
Precisely.numbers and statistics have become almost worthless---it's like a good accountant doing creative accounting, the only ones who know it's faulty are other accountants and if all accountants are in the game....
thebigt
Legend
yeah right, i know how well that would work, i spent a lot of years working for muti-national corporation...the whole thing relies on trained, experienced people showing new hires 'the ropes' so to speak.
blackirish36
Member
Point taken. I must say, however, that I have yet to encounter a company that wouldn't rather force employees to do things they they don't want to do, or fire them, than do what is right by them. Then again, I haven't worked for a corporation that requires a workforce with highly specific skillsets.
ax1
Legend
What are your thoughts of quantitative easing, and the additional trillions being printed out of thin air with the bailout packages? Do you think this is going to hit inflation hard soon?
ax1
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Ok so I hadnt given up on finding the pilots that spoke out about 9/11, so much has gone, the pilotesfor911 truth is gone, but I found a goldmine of a list with over 250 experienced pilots and aviation professionals discussing 9/11 and its anomalies many with brief descriptions on their contributions to the 9/11 truth movement.
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Sample:
John Lear – Retired commercial airline pilot with over 19,000+ total hours flown in over 100 different types of planes for 10 different airlines in 60 different countries around the world. Flew for over 40 years. Holds every certificate ever offered by the FAA and has 23 different FAA type ratings. Held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. Flight experience includes Boeing 707 and 727, McDonnell Douglas DC-8, Lockheed L-1011 and many others. Son of Bill Lear, founder of Lear Jet Corp.
Rob Balsamo – Commercial airline pilot. Co-founder, Invalid Link Removed. 4,000+ total hours flown.
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John Lear – Retired commercial airline pilot with over 19,000+ total hours flown in over 100 different types of planes for 10 different airlines in 60 different countries around the world. Flew for over 40 years. Holds every certificate ever offered by the FAA and has 23 different FAA type ratings. Held 17 world records including speed around the world in a Lear Jet Model 24, set in 1966. He was presented with the PATCO award for outstanding airmanship in 1968, and the Symons Wave memorial. Flight experience includes Boeing 707 and 727, McDonnell Douglas DC-8, Lockheed L-1011 and many others. Son of Bill Lear, founder of Lear Jet Corp.
- Audio interview with Invalid Link Removed 3/9/07: Regarding the Flight Data Recorder information for Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon, released by the NTSB
John Lear: There's a lot things in that tape that came up, that if you're a pilot, you say, "Hey, wait a minute. That's bull****. That could never happen in a million years." ...
Rob Balsamo: What did you think about 9/11 after you saw it?
John Lear: Well, you know, five minutes after it happened, I knew that it was a scam. ... No Boeing 757 ever crashed into the Pentagon. No Boeing 757 ever crashed at Shanksville. ... And no Arab hijacker, ever in a million years, ever flew into the World Trade Center. And if you got 30 minutes I'll tell you exactly why he couldn't do it the first time. Now, I'd have trouble doing it the first time.
Rob Balsamo: Yeah, same here.
John Lear: Maybe if I had a couple tries to line up a few building, I could have done it. But certainly not the first time and certainly not at 500 or 600 miles an hour.
Rob Balsamo: Yeah, as a matter of fact, one of our members, he was a 737 Check Airman. He was in the sim at the time on September 11 and right after it happened they tried to duplicate it in the simulator and they said they couldn't do it. They were trying to hit the Towers and they couldn't do it. ...
John Lear: Yeah, it would be an amazing feat of airmanship. ...
John Lear: People ask, you know, why do I think that 9/11 was a scam. They say, "Why would the government do that?" And I said, there's three basic reasons. Number 1; they wanted to take away all our liberties and they had to pose a threat to do that. Number 2; they wanted a reason to go into Afghanistan. ... Then the third thing was we had to have a pretext for going into Iraq. Invalid Link Removed -
- Member: Invalid Link Removed Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."
Rob Balsamo – Commercial airline pilot. Co-founder, Invalid Link Removed. 4,000+ total hours flown.
- Statement to this website 7/23/07: "In May 2006, I was watching Glenn Beck’s show on CNN. The Department of Defense had just released the infamous "5 frames" of stop-action video of the pentagon attack. Invalid Link Removed, "You can see a 757 in 10 seconds flat! Either that or a naked Michael Moore heading for the buffet! This should put all those conspiracy theories to rest". While watching it, I'm thinking to myself, "I can’t see any 757.” And I'm asking myself, “Are there still unresolved questions regarding 9/11?"
So I started poking around on the Internet trying to find anything I can to back up the government’s story because I didn't want to believe our government might have had something to do with 9/11.
Early on, I came across Invalid Link Removed. It blew me away that elements of our government had seriously planned acts of terrorism inside the United States to justify invading Cuba. Consider that 9/11 Commission Chairman Thomas Kean had said, "The greatest failure of 9/11 was lack of imagination", yet just under 40 years prior, elements of our own government imagined perpetrating such an event!
In late summer of 2006, I co-founded the group Invalid Link Removed, to more formally conduct research on the aviation-related aspects of 9/11. In August 2006, Pilots for 9/11 Truth received from the National Transportation and Safety Board (NTSB) a copy of the Flight Data Recorder data of Flight 77, which, according to the official account, hit the Pentagon.
We analyzed the data and announced our conclusion on 3/26/07 that "The information provided by the NTSB does not support the 9/11 Commission Report of American Airlines Flight 77 impact with the Pentagon." Much more information about this can be found in our video documentary and Invalid Link Removed.
So now, a year after I began looking into the events of 9/11 and having devoted a lot of time and effort researching those events, I'm frustrated because we haven't been able to find anything to confirm the government's story. And what's worse is that the FBI and NTSB refuse to even discuss with us the many obvious problems we found in the Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder.
I continue to work with my colleagues at Pilots for 9/11 Truth, to grow the organization and to continue our research into the aviation-related aspects of 9/11, looking for confirmation of the government’s story." -
- Audio interview by Mike Chambers 2/6/07: "I just recently -- quote, unquote -- woke up back in May [2006] due to a video that I saw on mainstream media telling me that I could see a 757 in ten seconds flat going across the Pentagon lawn. And from there I did my research and here I am now ... with Pilotsfor911Truth.org. When I started my research I said to myself, I am going to do everything in my power to figure out and back up the official story, the government's story -- the government fairy tale, I now call it -- so I can have faith and believe in my government. We have gotten to the point where I haven't been able to find anything to confirm the government's story.
Now, we received the flight data information through the NTSB back in August [2006]. ... The files that we originally received from the NTSB shows the aircraft too high to have hit the light poles. They can see that on Pilotsfor911Truth.org Full Analysis. And of course in our film Pandora's Black Box Chapter 2. ...
The flight data recorder raw file that we have just decoded ... it's still showing too high for the Pentagon. ... It shows the radar altimeter at 273 feet. That means 273 feet above the ground. OK? The Pentagon only gets up to 77 feet." Invalid Link Removed
- Co-founder: Invalid Link Removed Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."
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blackirish36
Member
Yes, the extreme dilution of the money supply will inevitably lead to hyperinflation. Our saving grace to this point is that the vast majority of that currency is being handed off to the top banks, corporations, etc., who are using it to consolidate their holdings and pump up the stock market.
In short, we the "cattle" are left to tread water while the "elite" perfect their systems of control. I believe that when they are ready, they will release a flood of currency carefully calibrated to destroy our purchasing power while simultaneously ensuring the collapse of the dollar and necessitating the establishment of the global digital currency.
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ax1
Legend
Its a matter of time we are a cashless society, everything will be tracked and black markets will have to use other methods of transaction such as bitcoin, monero, etherum, etc...until they crack down on that, if they can.
I missed out on China last year, but the year before when I went they have gone so cashless people give you funny looks when you pull out cash. They all mostly pay using wechat. Even sidewalk vendors prefer wechat....cash is still used but it totally changed in China.
Anyways, not trying to brag about my awesome experiences in China, the point is China is a testing ground for America's future oppression.
ax1
Legend
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years.
These nations have progressed through this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."
-- Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian.
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been two hundred years.
These nations have progressed through this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependence;
from dependency back again into bondage."
-- Sir Alex Fraser Tyler: (1742-1813) Scottish jurist and historian.
blackirish36
Member
China is the globalist model, in terms of censorship, surveillance, the social credit system, etc. The funny thing is, I don't think China will have much power when the globalists complete their plan. I tend to think that China and the U.S. will be forced into a war that will damage both significantly. I think the power center will return to Europe.
I am afraid that the cryptocurrencies will not be viable during the post cash era. First, you will need to have access to electronics, which will hardly be a certainty in the future. Second, the cryptos all use block chain, so all of your activity would be completely tracable when the regime gains access to the records, which they will.
Beau
Well-known member
Re wage rate increases:
1. Minimum wage = wage for someone having minimal skills.
2. Minimal skills does not warrant a "living wage". Neither a living wage nor the right to have a home is a right.
3. The people hurt the MOST by a wage increase are those who make a minimum wage because (i) many will lose their jobs, thus their effective minimum wage becomes ZERO, (ii) those who remain in the workplace will be expected to work much harder (to cover the work that used to be done by the fires employees), (iii) those who make the least are now subject to greater taxes (to be paid to the Government - get it?), (iv) the cost of all goods and services will increase, so those will the least disposable income will be hurt the most.
4. Minimum wage positions will be replaced with technology (kiosks at McDonalds anyone?)
5. Business owners will lose sales, because people will get tired of paying $12 for a Big Mac.
6. Inflation ... anyone?
And on and on and on ...
And the politicians use this to buy votes from minimum wage employees (who don't know any better) because the politicians by look magnanimous by spending everyone else's money (while increasing everyone's taxes and creating greater dependence on the Government).
Everyone loses.
1. Minimum wage = wage for someone having minimal skills.
2. Minimal skills does not warrant a "living wage". Neither a living wage nor the right to have a home is a right.
3. The people hurt the MOST by a wage increase are those who make a minimum wage because (i) many will lose their jobs, thus their effective minimum wage becomes ZERO, (ii) those who remain in the workplace will be expected to work much harder (to cover the work that used to be done by the fires employees), (iii) those who make the least are now subject to greater taxes (to be paid to the Government - get it?), (iv) the cost of all goods and services will increase, so those will the least disposable income will be hurt the most.
4. Minimum wage positions will be replaced with technology (kiosks at McDonalds anyone?)
5. Business owners will lose sales, because people will get tired of paying $12 for a Big Mac.
6. Inflation ... anyone?
And on and on and on ...
And the politicians use this to buy votes from minimum wage employees (who don't know any better) because the politicians by look magnanimous by spending everyone else's money (while increasing everyone's taxes and creating greater dependence on the Government).
Everyone loses.
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Jiigzz
Legend
I'd say in the US this absolutely needs to be considered. It should be region specific.
Arguing an increase to $15 by 2025 is not unrealistic, providing the jump doesn't happen all at once. But again, the US is so diverse that it should absolutely be based on living wage.
Problem is, people expect the free market to pay a fair wage without regulation (Lol), but the reality is is that employers will exploit you for all your worth (a reason why companies hate unions).
The fact that mega corps still pay below a living wage is bizarre. Powerful companies can use the tactic of "take it or leave it" knowing that people will fight for roles within prestigious companies at almost cost.
It's a balancing act of what companies can realistically afford vs paying people enough to not need to sell their bodies afterward.
Should the minimum wage extend to school-age children in their first job or whatever? Maybe that could be argued.
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ax1
Legend
I think Monero is the secure one that government hates the most, but I would do more research before using that since I havent spent alot of time looking into it.
I think you may be right on with Europe....the unelected corrupt bureaucrats thugs that run the EU will, and they now have their own anthem and building their own military.
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Jiigzz
Legend
I believe the govt can exploit situations to their benefit, but I don't necessarily believe that they cause those situations.wow...color me surprised...i could set my clock with your predictability
IMO, Occams Razor applies. The amount of people who would need to be willing to kill thousands of their own countrymen and prepare to lie about it is astronomical. And it would require to multiple organizations and thousands of individuals to keep it a secret.
To me, there is far more to be made by someone to divulge all that information (think of the payday) than to keep it a secret so that the govt benefits? Who would want to kill 3000+ people so that the govt could make money disappear? Some people perhaps, but as many people that would be required to launch a missile into the pentagon, for the NTSB to investigate and pretend it was a plane, for all the families that have loved ones who died on the flight etc just doesn't make sense
thebigt
Legend
i worked for international paper...you hire in at a low skill set job, in order to move up you need to bid on a job opening. if your bid is successful you are given a set amount of time to become qualified to do that job, this requires someone qualified to do that skill set to train you. the policy when i worked at international paper was if you bid on a job and are unable to get qualified for that job in a set amount of time you are terminated.
thebigt
Legend
so you believe that rumsfeld said all the info on wherabouts of $2.3 trillion is in a small storage area area at the pentagon...and the very next day out of the 17.5 miles of corridors at the pentagon the exact, small storage area where this info was contained was destroyed by a plane crashing into it????????
17.5 MILES of just corridors, think about the odds of this happening---maybe 2.3 trillion to 1
blackirish36
Member
That is a unique set up. I can see how that could make it difficult to screw over the more experienced employees.
thebigt
Legend
c'mon man...corporations pay the most and have the best benefits, they can afford a ton of write offs. it's the small businesses that can't afford to pay higher wages or benefits...at the same time if you raised minimum wage to $20 tomorrow corporations would survive, but it would destroy small business.
of course retail chains like walmart pay crap at the stores but pay decent money if you work in distribution centers, i know this because i actually know people who work at theses places. i think target raised their starting pay to $15 last year.
thebigt
Legend
actually i can't imagine any work place where the older, more experienced employees would not be able to sabotage new hires or at least make their lives a living hell...seriously, a disgruntled workforce would have a lot of disadvantages for employers no matter the skill set---the only way i could see this happening is a small business that is forced by economics to not increase wages of older, more experienced employees to meet minimum wage requirement of new hires.
blackirish36
Member
There are in point of fact thousands of structural engineers who have stated that the buildings could not possibly have collapsed in the manner they did due to aircraft strikes.
As ax1 points out, there are dozens of experienced heavy bird pilots who say that they could not have pulled off those strikes, and no pilot whose only flight hours were on Cessnas could even fly a Boeing airliner.
Cellular communication technicians will tell you that cellular phones in 2001 were incapable of connecting the calls that were recorded that day.
I think you underestimated the extreme compartmentalization extant in government, and the effectiveness of threatening people's pensions (or worse) to keep them silent.
I appreciate the Occam's Razor argument. However, accepting the official narrative requires us to accept impossibilities. I don't know what happened that day, but I know it cannot have happened in the manner we were told.
thebigt
Legend
you mean like the magic bullet?..... but i digress---great post!!!
blackirish36
Member
Yes, you are right. I will say that I work for a major general aviation company, and that management hasn't been particularly responsive to issues resulting in disgruntled workers.
ax1
Legend
9/11 was primarily launched to set up the Patriot Act and rip our liberties apart. That right there is far more valuable than money....power and control. They won. The Pentagon, if it was about money was just an additional last minute bonus imo, why not?
Alot of family members and survivors still want answers too....Ive seen this ad run in Times Square.
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ax1
Legend
Im going to watch this later.
The Pentagon Plane Puzzle film is a work-in-progress. This third version integrates David Chandler's presentation "Going Beyond Speculation - A Scientific Look at the Pentagon Evidence" with video of testimonies by 30 of the 180 known on-record witnesses to the Pentagon crash. It serves as a comprehensive preview of what will be in the final film. There are many new graphics and a few new movie clips which were not in prior versions of the film. To learn more about the film THE PENTAGON PLANE PUZZLE, about the Pentagon plane controversy, and to access the most up-to-date information on that subject, please click here: Invalid Link Removed
Its an hour long watch, so dont worry about it if its to time extensive, nothing wrong with watching the intro though.
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The Pentagon Plane Puzzle film is a work-in-progress. This third version integrates David Chandler's presentation "Going Beyond Speculation - A Scientific Look at the Pentagon Evidence" with video of testimonies by 30 of the 180 known on-record witnesses to the Pentagon crash. It serves as a comprehensive preview of what will be in the final film. There are many new graphics and a few new movie clips which were not in prior versions of the film. To learn more about the film THE PENTAGON PLANE PUZZLE, about the Pentagon plane controversy, and to access the most up-to-date information on that subject, please click here: Invalid Link Removed
Its an hour long watch, so dont worry about it if its to time extensive, nothing wrong with watching the intro though.
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ax1
Legend
This is exactly why I believe behind the curtains corporations are all pro-national minimum wage increases. The bigs will suck up all the smalls.
thebigt
Legend
i highly doubt those issues are regarding minimum wage though....corporations will sometimes cut off their own nose to save face!!!
blackirish36
Member
This is an aspect of the consolidation I spoke of in my reply to Ax1 regarding hyperinflation. Multi-national corporations can afford to pay their people $15/hr, many small businesses cannot. This will allow the big fish to buy up the little, further consolidating industries that are already perilously close to monopolistic.
If you look at the distribution of the loans that were made available to "small businesses" in the first COVID-19 relief package, you will find that very little actually went to small businesses. Most of the money went to large corporations. Even if you assume that the politicians who drafted the legislation had the best of intentions, the bureaucrats that administered the loan program did not carry out those intentions.
thebigt
Legend
ax1
Legend
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Capt. Russ Wittenberg is a former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Capt. Russ Wittenberg is a unique individual in that he had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft Flight 93 and Flight 175.
Capt. Russ Wittenberg is a former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions. Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Capt. Russ Wittenberg is a unique individual in that he had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft Flight 93 and Flight 175.
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ax1
Legend
Anyone wanna get in on this silver run and squeeze the billionaires that are manipulating the silver market?!
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And yes 9/11 was a blatant demolition.
I was waiting for you to say something after all those likes, and your to the point, I love it! LOL
I just heard about silver an hour ago, trying to figure out how to gamble some extra cash I can afford to lose. This is all new to me.
blackirish36
Member
THOR 70
Well-known member
Cross our fingers it does a GameStop haha. Silver gonna be a lot harder to squeeze but looks like there is some momentum already
THOR 70
Well-known member
blackirish36
Member
If the bullion banks are seriously hurt on their paper shorts, physical may ascend to its proper supply based price. The few hundred ounces I have tucked away may make a serious dent in eliminating my mortgage.
ax1
Legend
Yeah man you posted all the picture perfect evidence so I have nothing else to add. Wait, did you talk about the thermite dust found all over downtown and the fires that burned for 2 months underground? Or was that left over “jet fuel”
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LOL I have AALLLOOOOTTTT more in my basket, its been a long time. I know NIST admitted to not even testing for explosives that day.
Do you know about Barry Jennings? He was NYC's Emergency Coordinator, he was stuck in WTC7 after needing to be there in the Office of Emergency Managment, and he was the very last man out of the building. He talks of bombs going off all day inside the building, and when they rescued him he was crawling all over dead bodies. He was going to testify and at the hearing he totally flipped his story.........then he came out that he was under pressure, came clean in a 9/11 documentary (Loose Change 9/11) and shorty after he was dead.
The first video was of him that very day after he got out, the 2nd video includes a lengthy full account which likely lead to his assassination. The long video is some serious shyt.
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thebigt
Legend
what is it now, around $24 a oz?
blackirish36
Member
Around $28/oz.
ax1
Legend
I having trouble finding this, what is "aquire SLV?"