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[ax1]

As an architectural engineer, I will tell you that fires take down steel buildings. It doesn't have to melt the steel, just weaken the steel enough where it yields/buckles and then collapses. Each column that buckles adds weight to other columns until they buckle too.

Fire protection of steel is junk. Its meant to give about an hour of protection. Just to give people time to evacuate, not to save the building.

If a building has a fire for more than an hour, I don't think its any mystery why the building collapsed.

If a building was hit by a big missile, you have to explain where it came from. Or at least try. Otherwise it's Santa Claus delivering presents kind of magic....

Well its never happened before, so thats that. The only steel structure building in history to crimp in itself, collapse in its entirety at free fall speed with fires was building 7, other than that it has never, ever happened, and it never ever will. WTC7 was a controlled demolition, and Im sure you know it takes at least several weeks to pull that off, not hours. WTC7 was not an ordinary building made of cheap material.

 

[ax1]

The fallacy in your conspiracy theory is the idea that cavemen flew the planes. Are you saying that Arabs aren’t capable of learning to fly? You think they were people living in caves from the outer reaches of society or western educated radicals from civilized GCC countries?

The only one I question was flying the plane into the Pentagon, its a really difficult maneuver.

The Pentagon incident isnt so clear cut since all the evidence is withheld from the public and it wasnt as accessible as Manhattan was so Im not as confident talking about that as I am with NYC.

PA was interesting because it looked like the plane was blown up into smithereens.

 

[thebigt]

On a side note...

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lol...those 2 on that scooter would not have had a easy time at the high school i went too back in 70's.

 

[thebigt]

The only one I question was flying the plane into the Pentagon, its a really difficult maneuver.

The Pentagon incident isnt so clear cut since all the evidence is withheld from the public and it wasnt as accessible as Manhattan was so Im not as confident talking about that as I am with NYC.

PA was interesting because it looked like the plane was blown up into smithereens.

plus you have a couple of TRILLION dollars whose accountability went unaccounted for due to precise strike on the very spot on the very large pentagon where accountability was said to be kept?????


coincidence?

 

[ax1]

plus you have a couple of TRILLION dollars whose accountability went unaccounted for due to precise strike on the very spot on the very large pentagon where accountability was said to be kept?????


coincidence?

That 2.3 trillion was never bought up again....it was on national television 9/10 out of Rumsfeld's mouth and then that was it. Amazingly, the bailout package last year was 2.3 trillion...coincidence? Probably but wow, lol

They took out the office secretary too, how convenient.

 

[thebigt]

That 2.3 trillion was never bought up again....it was on national television 9/10 out of Rumsfeld's mouth and then that was it. Amazingly, the bailout package last year was 2.3 trillion...coincidence? Probably but wow, lol

They took out the office secretary too, how convenient.

i can't believe there are people who say they don't believe in coincidence but yet they buy into this convenient coincidence?

 

[ax1]

i can't believe there are people who say they don't believe in coincidence but yet they buy into this convenient coincidence?

I want to know whats in the blackbox, there is no reason 4 were destroyed or missing all on 1 day. And they are hiding all the camera footage, just like they did when they blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building . Plane or not, this was clearly an inside job.

Black boxes are tested to withstand
Crash survivability - 3400G's impact for 6.5 milliseconds.
Crush test - 5000lbs at all sides for 5 minutes.
Pierce test - 500lb hardened steel pin dropped from 10 feet.
Fire test - 2000F degrees for 1 hour, 500F degrees for 10 hrs.
Water immersion - 20,000 feet deep.
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[ax1]

This is the only video ever released of the Pentagon crash, its just a choppy 5 frames and only released after years of fighting FOIA.

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[dixonk]

The only one I question was flying the plane into the Pentagon, its a really difficult maneuver.

The Pentagon incident isnt so clear cut since all the evidence is withheld from the public and it wasnt as accessible as Manhattan was so Im not as confident talking about that as I am with NYC.

PA was interesting because it looked like the plane was blown up into smithereens.

Have you been to the pentagon? What would be so difficult about flying into it?
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[manifesto]

@ax1 you ever listen to the rapper Immortal Technique..?.if not, check him out. I think you will love his lyrics.

 

[thebigt]

I want to know whats in the blackbox, there is no reason 4 were destroyed or missing all on 1 day. And they are hiding all the camera footage, just like they did when they blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building . Plane or not, this was clearly an inside job.

Black boxes are tested to withstand
Crash survivability - 3400G's impact for 6.5 milliseconds.
Crush test - 5000lbs at all sides for 5 minutes.
Pierce test - 500lb hardened steel pin dropped from 10 feet.
Fire test - 2000F degrees for 1 hour, 500F degrees for 10 hrs.
Water immersion - 20,000 feet deep.
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conspiracy or not it should be apparent they are with holding information....much like the vegas mass shooting-what happened to the information they told us they would be releasing?

 

[thebigt]

Have you been to the pentagon? What would be so difficult about flying into it?
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look at the size of that monster-yet with the small amount of that building that was damaged the precise spot where information on wherabouts of $2.3 trillion was stored was destroyed...coincidence?

 

[ax1]

Have you been to the pentagon? What would be so difficult about flying into it?
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Years ago I ran into several professional airline pilots that said it was nearly impossible, they were interviewed through the A&E truth movement.

Im going through some of my old work and alot of stuff disappeared. I just found out they deleted the passport evidence from the NYC hijacker, somehow his passport flew out of his pocket and through the firebomb and landed on the rubble with little damage, but somehow the indestructible blackbox vaporized.

 

[ax1]

@ax1 you ever listen to the rapper Immortal Technique..?.if not, check him out. I think you will love his lyrics.

OOOMMMMGGGG!!!!! I love Immortal Technique!

 

[ax1]

No Stand-Down Order CLAIM: No fighter jets were scrambled from any of the 28 Air Force bases within close range of the four hijacked flights. "On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C.," says the Web site emperors-clothes.com. "They failed to do their job." "There is only one explanation for this," writes Mark R. Elsis of Invalid Link Removed. "Our Air Force was ordered to Stand Down on 9/11." FACT: On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes. The idea that Air Traffic Control had to "pick up the phone and literally dial" NORAD -- a routine procedure in handling unresponsive aircraft -- does not begin to explain the long gaps between ATC being aware of off-course and non-responsive jetliners and NORAD acting. Standard procedure was for ATC to notify NORAD if they were unable to contact such an aircraft within three minutes. Here PM's "FACT" is taken directly from the Invalid Link Removed, which changed the official timeline for at least the third time. Two important omissions here are: [*]Invalid Link Removed which centralized intercept authority in the Secretary of Defense. [*]Invalid Link Removed scheduled for the day of 9/11/01, at least one involving a plane-into-building scenario. Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them. When the jetliners' transponders were switched off, their blips on the ATC screens lost their identifying data, and would stand out against the remaining blips, which were labeled. The idea that NORAD had no radar coverage of much of North America comes from that best-selling work of fiction, Invalid Link Removed. Evaluate this assertion in light of this description of Invalid Link Removed, as it was on 9/11/01.

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[ax1]

look at the size of that monster-yet with the small amount of that building that was damaged the precise spot where information on wherabouts of $2.3 trillion was stored was destroyed...coincidence?

I was able to find that old 2.3 trillion dollar announcement video in my old work. Alot of dirty stuff going on those days.

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[ax1]

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Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in parapsychology.

Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy in 1952 and subsequently received an M.S. in chemical engineering from Columbia University in 1961.

Stubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University.[1] His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.
Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).[2] Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasion of Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine".[3] He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.[4

Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege"[2] in which he states, in relation to the attack on The Pentagon which took place on September 11, 2001: I look at the hole in The Pentagon, and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon, and I said "The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon?"

 

[thebigt]

I was able to find that old 2.3 trillion dollar announcement video in my old work. Alot of dirty stuff going on those days.

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yes...but remember, when the government does dirty deeds it is to protect us and for our own good

 

[ax1]

I think this is interesting but uncertain...it just proves the technology of unmanned flight was capable publicly months before 9/11. It may help back theories that the plane was gassed and then flown by remote. Its possible but this is a grain of salt.

"Global Hawk"

BBC
Tuesday, 24 April, 2001,

The Global Hawk flies along a pre-programmed flight path, but a pilot monitors the aircraft during its flight via a sensor suite which provides infra-red and visual images.

"The aircraft essentially flies itself, right from take-off, right through to landing, and even taxiing off the runway," said Rod Smith, the Australian Global Hawk manager.

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[ax1]

yes...but remember, when the government does dirty deeds it is to protect us and for our own good

I wish that was the case, but the "good" is for "the club" and neither of us are in it.

 

[ax1]

Holy crap, its almost 4pm, I just wasted half a day on here LOL!

 

[thebigt]

I wish that was the case, but the "good" is for "the club" and neither of us are in it.

for far too many people they find it too far-fetched to believe government could betray us in such a large manner.

 

[ax1]

for far too many people they find it too far-fetched to believe government could betray us in such a large manner.

"Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro." (Invalid Link Removed emphasis added. This Secret Pentagon document was declassified and can be readily consulted, Invalid Link Removed, See also Invalid Link Removed, 30 April 2001)

Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”

 

[thebigt]

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"Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro." (Invalid Link Removed emphasis added. This Secret Pentagon document was declassified and can be readily consulted, Invalid Link Removed, See also Invalid Link Removed, 30 April 2001)

i could see several [if not all] presidents who came after kennedy approving this kind of plan, i really could....kennedy had balls-but maybe because of this-- his death served as a example to future presidents???

 

[ax1]

i could see several [if not all] presidents who came after kennedy approving this kind of plan, i really could....kennedy had balls-but maybe because of this-- his death served as a example to future presidents???

Well it didnt take long, lol .....Lyndon Johnson staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident to launch the entire Vietnam war....its not the same or as bad as Northwoods because American cities werent planned to be attacked, but its still pretty evil shyt.

 

[ax1]

This is Tinfoil Sunday Day.....everybody stay in their bunkers and have your shortwave radio's on the ready and wait for orders!

 

[thebigt]

Well it didnt take long, lol .....Lyndon Johnson staged the Gulf of Tonkin incident to launch the entire Vietnam war....its not the same or as bad as Northwoods because American cities werent planned to be attacked, but its still pretty evil shyt.

i think the vietnam war is as relevant as obama in the division of thi

This is Tinfoil Sunday Day.....everybody stay in their bunkers and have your shortwave radio's on the ready and wait for orders!

ham radio's, cb's, and walkie talkies are going to be popular again...it's the only communication big tech doesn't control.

 

[ax1]

i think the vietnam war is as relevant as obama in the division of thi

ham radio's, cb's, and walkie talkies are going to be popular again...it's the only communication big tech doesn't control.

I ran into this show a couple weeks ago called Doomsday Preppers on National Geographic.

It’s incredibly entertaining, one of the best shows on TV!

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[dixonk]

Years ago I ran into several professional airline pilots that said it was nearly impossible, they were interviewed through the A&E truth movement.

Im going through some of my old work and alot of stuff disappeared. I just found out they deleted the passport evidence from the NYC hijacker, somehow his passport flew out of his pocket and through the firebomb and landed on the rubble with little damage, but somehow the indestructible blackbox vaporized.

I just posted a pic. Judging by that pic and your current flying capabilities would you say you could or couldn’t fly straight into it?

 

[ax1]

I just posted a pic. Judging by that pic and your current flying capabilities would you say you could or couldn’t fly straight into it?

That is certainly possible, with this one in not as certain as WTC7, but the pilots went over the flight paths and they said they couldnt pull it, its too difficult, but not that it cant be done.

I cant find the original info from 10 years ago, google fuqed everything up and the algorithms pull up debunk tinfoil hat links, its not easy as it used to be. Alot of youtube videos have vanished as well as Im finding out from my old 9/11 thread as I went through it earlier.

 

[ax1]

I just posted a pic. Judging by that pic and your current flying capabilities would you say you could or couldn’t fly straight into it?

I think it used to be here that explained it clearly, it was done by the Pilots for 9/11 Truth group...

I had to use Yahoo search to even pull the original page, youtube directly vanished it. Maybe I can find it elsewhere.

Deconstructing the Pentagon Attack - 1 of 9
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[BamBam54]

Just to circle back to this Building 7 claim that no steel buildings ever fell due to fire... what about Tower 1 and 2? Fire certainly took them down. There was also the Plasco Bulding fire (Iran 2017)? A high rise building in Brasil (2018). The Windsor Tower fire in Spain (2005). Its happened before and it will likely happen again. This is the kind of internet rumor that gets repeated into existence, rather than fact.

Here in the US buildings generally do not collapse due to fire, because fire fighters put them out. Except on 9/11 when all the fire fighters were killed or otherwise evacuated and forced to let the fires burn. And fires that burn will eventually take down steel buildings. Its not always a double-secret government conspiracy. Sometimes its just bad luck, bad design, deliberate malfeasance, or general incompetence.

Could bad actors have used the commotion of the tragedy to scam some gold or commit insurance fraud? Sure. But did the globalist cabal coordinate with terrorists to fly planes into buildings as a cover for their big heist.... c'mon now.

Might the government have shot down the last 9/11 plane in a PA field? I could believe that. Could flight 800 have been taken down by a shoulder launched missile? I could believe that. Could flight 587 that crashed in NY have been a terrorist event (maybe the shoe bomber we caught a month later was the second attempt)? Perhaps. Could Malaysian flight MH370 have been a terrorist attack? Seems so. Are their times the government lies to control the narrative. Surely.

BUT did a giant missile come from nowhere to hit the pentagon while at same exact time making a plane full of people disappear without a trace... not a chance! And no one through all this has ever proposed a scenario or storyline to back up the missile theory in the slightest bit. Just waves of questionable questions to raise doubt in some other direction.

 

[ax1]

Just to circle back to this Building 7 claim that no steel buildings ever fell due to fire... what about Tower 1 and 2? Fire certainly took them down. There was also the Plasco Bulding fire (Iran 2017)? A high rise building in Brasil (2018). The Windsor Tower fire in Spain (2005). Its happened before and it will likely happen again. This is the kind of internet rumor that gets repeated into existence, rather than fact.

Well, building 1 and 2 were hit by planes. WTC7 has some fires, it was not hit by a plane. Its complete free fall destruction is completely impossible, it never has happened before and never will again, unless its a controlled demolition.

 

[ax1]

I discovered the original Major General Albert Stubblebine video describing the Pentagon missile strike was taken down by google as "hate speech." LFMAOOOOO!!!!!

This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on hate speech. Learn more about combating hate speech in your country.
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I found the full transcript though.

And RIP

Video interview 6/28/09:

General Stubblebine: I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …

I was supposed to find out what the enemy was doing, before the enemy did it so that we could take action against the enemy. That's Intelligence, OK, before the fact. So, we always -- always -- rely not on a single piece of data, before we make a statement, but on multiple and the more pieces of data that you have that correlate, the better you know exactly what is going on. …

So I have had a lot of experience looking at photographs. I have looked at many, many different kinds of photographs, from many, many different platforms on many, many different countries, around the world.

Interviewer: OK. So on September the 11th, in 2001, what hit the Pentagon?

General Stubblebine: I don't know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane.

Interviewer: What made you believe that?

General Stubblebine: Well, for one thing, if you look at the hole that was made in the Pentagon, the nose penetrated far enough so that there should have been wing marks on the walls of the Pentagon. I have been unable to find those wing marks. So where were they? Did this vessel -- vehicle, or whatever it was -- have wings? Apparently not, because if it had had wings, they would have made marks on the side of the Pentagon.

One person counteracted my theory, and said, "Oh, you've got it all wrong. And the reason that it's wrong is that as the airplane came across, one wing tipped down and hit the ground and broke off." I said, "Fine, that's possible, one wing could have broken off." But if I understand airplanes correctly, most airplanes have two wings. I haven't met an airplane with only one wing. So where was the mark for the second wing? OK, one broke off -- there should have been a mark for the second wing. I could not find that in any of the photographs that I've analyzed. Now I've been very careful to not say what went in there. Why? Because you don't have that evidence. …

I did -- I've never believed that it was an airplane since I've looked at the photographs. Up until the time I looked at the photographs, I accepted what was being said. After I looked at it -- NO WAY! …

We pride ourselves with the "free press." I do not believe the "free press" is free any more. It's very expensive. It's very expensive. And the press is saying what they have been told to say about this.

Now, do I have proof of that? No. But I believe that what is being -- what certainly the -- the stories that were told -- all about 9/11 were false. I mean, you take a look at the buildings falling down. They didn't fall down because airplanes hit them. They fell down because of explosives went off inside. Demolition. Look at Building 7, for God's sake. It didn't fall down to its side. It didn't fall to this direction or that direction; just like the two Towers. …

When you look at the temperatures that you can create with fuel in a gas tank or a fuel tank of an airplane, and then you investigate the amount of heat that would be required to melt -- to melt -- the superstructure of the buildings that came tumbling down, when you put all of that together, the one thing that shows; It does not match the facts. What is it they do not want the public to know?

 

[ax1]

You can see the blasts coming out of the building from below. And surely you would think the FBI, CIA and the Mayors bunker would have some of the best infrastructure in the world compared to a 3rd world country....but that looks like a controlled demolition.

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[ax1]

Just to circle back to this Building 7 claim that no steel buildings ever fell due to fire... what about Tower 1 and 2? Fire certainly took them down. There was also the Plasco Bulding fire (Iran 2017)? A high rise building in Brasil (2018). The Windsor Tower fire in Spain (2005). Its happened before and it will likely happen again. This is the kind of internet rumor that gets repeated into existence, rather than fact.

This is a photo of the Spain building, its not a controlled demolition, you can clearly see it partially collapsed which is certainly expected. WTC-7 fell down in only a few seconds. Comparing the Spain building, its not even close to the same.

Estimated time frame of collapses

Time​	Collapse Situation​
1:29	East face of the 21st floor collapsed
1:37	South middle section of several floors above the 21st floor gradually collapsed
1:50	Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:02	Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:11	Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:13	Floors above about 25th floor collapsed Large collapse of middle section at about 20th floor
2:17	Parts of floor slab with curtain walls collapsed
2:47	Southwest corner of 1 ~ 2 floors below about 20th floor collapsed
2:51	Southeast corner of about 18th ~ 20th floors collapsed
3:35	South middle section of about 17th ~ 20th floors collapsed Fire broke through the Upper Technical Floor
3:48	Fire flame spurted out below the Upper Technical Floor
4:17	Debris on the Upper Technical Floor fell down

• The lack of a sprinkler system
• Incorrect installation of spandrels
• The lack of fire prevention regulations in Spain

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[ax1]

Here in the US buildings generally do not collapse due to fire, because fire fighters put them out. Except on 9/11 when all the fire fighters were killed or otherwise evacuated and forced to let the fires burn. And fires that burn will eventually take down steel buildings. Its not always a double-secret government conspiracy. Sometimes its just bad luck, bad design, deliberate malfeasance, or general incompetence.

They were fighting fires on wtc7, to full crew probably not but fires move from left to right, right to left, etc...as the fires fuze out they cool down.

The only possible way to have WTC-7 collapse is to blow up the collumns all at the same time, just as seen on that day.

Plus we have the owner calling the "pull the building" order, and people on the street were all told to move away that they were going to blow it up.

 

[ax1]

BUT did a giant missile come from nowhere to hit the pentagon while at same exact time making a plane full of people disappear without a trace... not a chance! And no one through all this has ever proposed a scenario or storyline to back up the missile theory in the slightest bit. Just waves of questionable questions to raise doubt in some other direction.

Im not as sure about that one than Im more sure if anything hit the Pentagon they let it happen. Im very confident by the latter and its all in the records or lack of since it was omitted from the 9/11 commission report.

 

[thebigt]

Just to circle back to this Building 7 claim that no steel buildings ever fell due to fire... what about Tower 1 and 2? Fire certainly took them down. There was also the Plasco Bulding fire (Iran 2017)? A high rise building in Brasil (2018). The Windsor Tower fire in Spain (2005). Its happened before and it will likely happen again. This is the kind of internet rumor that gets repeated into existence, rather than fact.

Here in the US buildings generally do not collapse due to fire, because fire fighters put them out. Except on 9/11 when all the fire fighters were killed or otherwise evacuated and forced to let the fires burn. And fires that burn will eventually take down steel buildings. Its not always a double-secret government conspiracy. Sometimes its just bad luck, bad design, deliberate malfeasance, or general incompetence.

Could bad actors have used the commotion of the tragedy to scam some gold or commit insurance fraud? Sure. But did the globalist cabal coordinate with terrorists to fly planes into buildings as a cover for their big heist.... c'mon now.

Might the government have shot down the last 9/11 plane in a PA field? I could believe that. Could flight 800 have been taken down by a shoulder launched missile? I could believe that. Could flight 587 that crashed in NY have been a terrorist event (maybe the shoe bomber we caught a month later was the second attempt)? Perhaps. Could Malaysian flight MH370 have been a terrorist attack? Seems so. Are their times the government lies to control the narrative. Surely.

BUT did a giant missile come from nowhere to hit the pentagon while at same exact time making a plane full of people disappear without a trace... not a chance! And no one through all this has ever proposed a scenario or storyline to back up the missile theory in the slightest bit. Just waves of questionable questions to raise doubt in some other direction.

referring to last paragraph...the thing that concerns me is the immense size of the pentagon...we are supposed to believe that a plane crashed into and destroyed the very small portion of that gigantic building where the only info concerning the wherabouts of $2.3 trillion was stored is a bit too coincidental for my liking????

 

[ax1]

referring to last paragraph...the thing that concerns me is the immense size of the pentagon...we are supposed to believe that a plane crashed into and destroyed the very small portion of that gigantic building where the only info concerning the wherabouts of $2.3 trillion was stored is a bit too coincidental for my liking????

Here are more clues, and a report just a year before 9/11....The primary author is the one who came up with the 2.3 trillion dollars, I bet nobody ever heard of him.

Dov S. Zakheim appointed under Secretary of Defense Comptroller, also a Council of Foreign Relations member.

This detailed a manic plan for US military domination of the world and re-ordering of the Middle East, observing that this process might require a “new Pearl Harbor” before Americans were willing to pay the costs.

More information on the above plan....

Project for the New American Century

Rebuilding America's Defenses

One of the PNAC's most influential publications was a 90-page report titled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century. Citing the PNAC's 1997 Statement of Principles, Rebuilding America's Defenses asserted that the United States should "seek to preserve and extend its position of global leadership" by "maintaining the preeminence of U.S. military forces."Invalid Link Removed The report's primary author was Invalid Link Removed, then going by the first name Thomas. Invalid Link Removed and Invalid Link Removed are credited as project chairmen. It also lists the names of 27 other participants who contributed papers or attended meetings related to the production of the report, six of whom subsequently assumed key defense and foreign policy positions in the Bush administration.Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed It suggested that the preceding decade had been a time of peace and stability, which had provided "the geopolitical framework for widespread economic growth" and "the spread of American principles of liberty and democracy." The report warned that "no moment in international politics can be frozen in time; even a global Pax Americana will not preserve itself.

According to the report, current levels of defense spending were insufficient, forcing policymakers "to try ineffectually to "manage" increasingly large risks." The result, it suggested, was a form "paying for today's needs by shortchanging tomorrow's; withdrawing from constabulary missions to retain strength for large-scale wars; "choosing" between presence in Europe or presence in Invalid Link Removed; and so on." All of these, the report asserted, were "bad choices" and "false economies," which did little to promote long-term American interests. "The true cost of not meeting our defense requirements," the report argued, "will be a lessened capacity for American global leadership and, ultimately, the loss of a global security order that is uniquely friendly to American principles and prosperity."Invalid Link Removed

Rebuilding America's Defenses recommended establishing four core missions for US military forces: the defense of the "American homeland," the fighting and winning of "multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars," the performance of "'constabular' duties associated with shaping the security environment" in key regions, and the transformation of US forces "to exploit the 'revolution in military affairs.'" Its specific recommendations included the maintenance of US nuclear superiority, an increase of the active personnel strength of the military from 1.4 to 1.6 million people, the redeployment of US forces to Southeast Europe and Asia, and the "selective" modernization of US forces. The report advocated the cancellation of "roadblock" programs such as the Joint Strike Fighter (which it argued would absorb "exorbitant" amounts of Pentagon funding while providing limited gains), but favored the development of "global missile defenses," and the control of "space and cyberspace," including the creation of a new military service with the mission of "space control." To help achieve these aims, Rebuilding America's Defenses advocated a gradual increase in military and defense spending "to a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, adding $15 billion to $20 billion to total defense spending annually.Invalid Link Removed

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[ax1]

$2.3 trillion missing and counting
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August 28, 2005

Recall Donald Rumsfeld chose the date of September 10, 2001 to announce that a Pentagon audit, ordered by Undersecretary Invalid Link Removed and conducted by a Halliburton subsidiary, had discovered that the Defense Department can no longer account for $2.3 trillion in past transactions. (Note: You are not hallucinating: two point three trillion dollars, or the equivalent of six annual Pentagon budgets.)

This matter was Invalid Link Removed as a question of waste and incompetence, as though it were possible to lose $2.3 trillion under a couch somewhere. (It had earlier been Invalid Link Removed in February 2001. Interestingly, the Bush Administration did not seek to place any blame on the Clinton administration for the missing assets, which should prompt questions about how much of the shortfall was invented in the course of the audit itself.)

One day after Rumsfeld’s admission of Sept. 10, this mother-of-all-scandals in the making disappeared from the corporate media’s vision. For good.

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And what was Zakheim’s explanation for the missing 2.3 trillion? His Invalid Link Removed (July 11, 2002) begins as follows:

Invalid Link Removed First of all, I should say that very often, although the numbers seem large, it’s not because we really don’t know what happened with the transactions. The problem has tended to be that we just didn’t record them properly…

Right. Money never disappears off the face of the earth. It always ends up somewhere. It’s just the destinations sometimes are not recorded properly.

The pattern of sweetheart deals and dubious accounting is depressingly familiar, but it is now pushing the entire system to bankruptcy and achieving a scale that would be impossible to hide, were it not for the distraction of permanent crisis. This scale of plunder also cannot function unless the key political front men get their cut.

Moving back down to a more retail level, this 2004 piece reveals how yet another lesser-known member of the Bush clan reaped profits from the “War on Terror” and the lies about “weapons of mass destruction.”

Meet William Bush, uncle to George Jr.

 

[ax1]

Cliffs:

September 10, 2001

The war on Pentagon Waste was launched

September 11, 2001

The War on Terror was launched

Hmmmmmm..........

 

[dixonk]

The other thing that always gets me when pondering conspiracy theories: for them to be true there has to be some semblance of intelligence in our government. I work for the government....it’s filled with the absolute dumbest human beings you will ever meet. I’m talking short bus, window licking, drooling on themselves mongoloids. So every time I want to buy in these stories that always comes back to set me straight.

 

[ax1]

The other thing that always gets me when pondering conspiracy theories: for them to be true there has to be some semblance of intelligence in our government. I work for the government....it’s filled with the absolute dumbest human beings you will ever meet. I’m talking short bus, window licking, drooling on themselves mongoloids. So every time I want to buy in these stories that always comes back to set me straight.

I get what you are saying, but it only takes a select few and inner circle to pull this stuff off.

And to be honest, everything is dumb, its obvious what they did, but somehow most regular people on average are slightly dumber I guess, lol

 

[dixonk]

I get what you are saying, but it only takes a select few and inner circle to pull this stuff off.

And to be honest, everything is dumb, its obvious what they did, but somehow most regular people on average are slightly dumber I guess, lol

There is dumb, and then there is .gov dumb...

 

[ax1]

There is dumb, and then there is .gov dumb...

So no Jewish space lasers for you?

 

[thebigt]

The other thing that always gets me when pondering conspiracy theories: for them to be true there has to be some semblance of intelligence in our government. I work for the government....it’s filled with the absolute dumbest human beings you will ever meet. I’m talking short bus, window licking, drooling on themselves mongoloids. So every time I want to buy in these stories that always comes back to set me straight.

you will most likely never meet any of the people who actually run the government...do you really think the powers that be would entrust the governing of this country to a dotard like biden---a 78 year old who has had at least 2 brain surgeries?

look up the definition of dotard-it describes biden to a tee!!!

 

[Jiigzz]

AX - So while the same cavemen are crashing planes into the twin towers, and a PA field, and one more plane hijacked and heading to DC.... you don't think THAT one could have hit the pentagon? Yet a missile you believe?

BUT you can't begin to explain what kind of missile, who launched it, or how. Or where the extra hijacked plane went instead. You can't even try? Not even a guess to support your hypothesis. Nothing? Just the double secret CIA/gold stuff and a dick Cheney head fake? I am disapponted....

I like conspiracies, but there needs to be some supporting logic. Something!

This is one battle you absolutely will not win haha. Fwiw I'm with you

 

[thebigt]

This is one battle you absolutely will not win haha. Fwiw I'm with you

rumsfeld when asked where the $2.3 trillion is: we have tracked info to a storage area at the pentagon....the next day that small exact area was destroyed by a plane crashing into the humongous pentagon---convenient-eh?

back then $2.3 trillion was a whole lot of money!!!!

 

[ax1]

you will most likely never meet any of the people who actually run the government...do you really think the powers that be would entrust the governing of this country to a dotard like biden---a 78 year old who has had at least 2 brain surgeries?

look up the definition of dotard-it describes biden to a tee!!!

I duckducked Groper Joe + dotard and came up with this...

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